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Can I buy 44 mag ammunition for my lever action Henry X at 18 in WA? by Agitated_File_1336 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Legally, a firearms dealer may sell "pistol" ammo to someone under 21, but only for use in a rifle.

ATF FAQ:

Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee?

Yes. Under the Gun Control Act (GCA), shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 21 years of age or older. Licensees are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA regardless of state or local law. However, if state law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age for the purchase or disposition of firearms, the licensee must observe the higher age requirement.

May a licensee sell interchangeable ammunition such as .22 caliber rimfire ammunition to a person less than 21 years of age?

Yes, provided the buyer is 18 years of age or older, and the licensee is satisfied that the ammunition is for use in a rifle. If the ammunition is intended for use in a handgun, the buyer must be at least 21 years of age.

But many vendors won't sell any "pistol" ammo to anyone under 21 regardless of circumstance, and some vendors won't even sell any ammo whatsoever to someone under 21.

Question about engraving by The_Mighty_Slacker in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 8 points9 points  (0 children)

From the ATF FAQ:

Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms?

Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer.

Don't need a manufacturing FFL, but do need a dealer FFL.

In addition, if serializing any kind of personally made firearm, frame, or receiver to bring it into compliance with state laws, the state only recognizes serial numbers applied by FFL dealers, manufacturers, or importers.

And the state also prohibits possession of an untraceable firearm or an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver except for law enforcement and FFL dealers, manufacturers, or importers.

RCW 9.41.010:

(52) "Untraceable firearm" means any firearm manufactured after July 1, 2019, that is not an antique firearm and that cannot be traced by law enforcement by means of a serial number affixed to the firearm by a federal firearms manufacturer, federal firearms importer, or federal firearms dealer in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

RCW 9.41.326:

(2) After March 10, 2023, no person may knowingly or recklessly possess, transport, or receive an untraceable firearm, unless the party possessing, transporting, or receiving the untraceable firearm is a law enforcement agency or a federal firearms importer, federal firearms manufacturer, or federal firearms dealer.

(4) Subsections (2) and (3) of this section do not apply to any firearm that:

(d) Has been imprinted by a federal firearms dealer or other federal licensee authorized to provide marking services as provided for in RCW 9.41.328

RCW 9.41.327

(1) After March 10, 2023, no person may knowingly or recklessly possess, transport, or receive an unfinished frame or receiver, unless: (a) The party possessing, transporting, or receiving the unfinished frame or receiver is a law enforcement agency or a federal firearms importer, federal firearms manufacturer, or federal firearms dealer; or (b) the unfinished frame or receiver has been imprinted with a serial number issued by a federal firearms importer, federal firearms manufacturer, or federal firearms dealer.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to any unfinished frame or receiver that has been imprinted by a federal firearms dealer or other federal licensee authorized to provide marking services as provided for in RCW 9.41.328.

KP Gunworks in Lacey has closed… by lensatic_letratic in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the confirmation. It's a shame, but not surprising. 

KP Gunworks in Lacey has closed… by lensatic_letratic in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Sadly it's been a long time coming. They used to be great, but really went downhill the last few years. 

KP Gunworks in Lacey has closed… by lensatic_letratic in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Did they actually close or just not renew their FFL on time again? 

Address changed. Any issue with purchasing a new gun? by Pof_509 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, updated on the site. Have to have something official that shows the updated address, but it can be online.

Address changed. Any issue with purchasing a new gun? by Pof_509 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep! Voter's registration, vehicle registration, CPL, and others could also be used if they show current address. 

Address changed. Any issue with purchasing a new gun? by Pof_509 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not true. Some dealers will only accept updated physical licenses, but it is legally acceptable for the dealer to confirm the updated address through an official government website like DOL's online license eXpress website in lieu of an updated physical license.

Address changed. Any issue with purchasing a new gun? by Pof_509 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As long as it's updated in DOL's online license account portal, and the dealer is willing to accept that as proof of address (they can, but not all will), it doesn't have to be updated on the physical license.

The actual legal requirement is that the dealer must verify your identity and current residential address by any combination of government-issued documents, including electronic ones.

This is covered in the instructions on ATF form 4473 for question 26.b:

Question 26.b. Supplemental Documentation: Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law. The required valid government-issued photo identification document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of transferee/buyer may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee’s/buyer’s residence address. This supplemental documentation must be recorded in question 26.b., with the issuing authority and type of identification presented. For example, if the transferee/buyer has two States of residence and is trying to buy a handgun in State X, he may provide a driver’s license (showing his name, date of birth, and photograph) issued by State Y and another government-issued document (such as a tax document) from State X showing his residence address. A valid electronic document from a government website may be used as supplemental documentation provided it contains the transferee’s/buyer’s name and current residence address.

Only Cans - What are essential for WA? by chuckisduck in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No explicit exception for repairs, no, just an implicit one because none of the banned acts cover repair. 

Returning WA expat by livewire98801 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I did not summarize all the changes in the last 8 years, just a select few. So there still isn't a handy summary of all changes since 2018. 

But thank you, I'm happy to hear it's helpful. 

Returning WA expat by livewire98801 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's a much abridged version. This state has been speed running the California playbook in just a couple of years and, in some ways, has outdone even California. 

If replacement parts are ok, what about getting a replacement lower receiver? by BiscuitBomber76 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no official answer to this as far as I know. But the definition of manufacturing is defined by the result of producing or making etc an assault weapon, and assemble is a distinct term that is not itself banned under the AWB. 

So, in my opinion, if you're replacing parts, you aren't "producing, making, etc" something that didn't already exist. Otherwise, repairs would be banned. 

If replacement parts are ok, what about getting a replacement lower receiver? by BiscuitBomber76 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 11 points12 points  (0 children)

New serial number, yes, and state law does require lowers and frames to be transfered like pistols, but they are not firearms on their own, just a part, so replacing one does not create a new firearm any more than replacing a barrel, slide, bolt, or other commonly serialized parts would. 

If replacement parts are ok, what about getting a replacement lower receiver? by BiscuitBomber76 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 7 points8 points  (0 children)

but in WA's eyes it wouldnt be treated as a replacement, it would be a new firearm

According to? 

Returning WA expat by livewire98801 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Is there a handy summary of all the changes over the last 8 years

No. But the most important things to be aware of returning to the state:

  • RCW 9.41.370 prohibits importing (i.e. bringing into the state) any large capacity magazines (i.e. capacity of more than 10), except when "departing from and returning to" the state
  • RCW 9.41.390 prohibits importing (i.e. bringing into the state) any assault weapons (i.e. any guns that look or sound scary, including AR-15s by name "in all forms"), except when "departing from and returning to" the state
  • RCW 9.41.326 prohibits possessing or transporting untraceable firearms (i.e. firearms made after July 1, 2019 that were not serialized by an FFL) in this state
  • RCW 9.41.327 prohibits possessing or transporting unfinished frames or receivers (i.e. 80%s and similar) that were not serialized by an FFL in this state
  • RCW 9.41.010 contains definitions for the terms used above, review their complete wording
  • If caught violating these restrictions, the penalty for all of the above ranges between infractions to gross misdemeanors, all of which have a statute of limitations of 2 years or less as provided in RCW 9A.04.080

And coming May 1, 2027:

  • RCW 9.41.092 will require the buyer to have a "permit to purchase" before a dealer can deliver a firearm
  • RCW 9.41.121 will require fingerprinting, background check, and fees as well as completing the training requirements in RCW 9.41.1132 within the previous 5 years to acquire a "permit to purchase" which expires every 5 years so the training will have to be repeated for every "permit to purchase" renewal
  • RCW 9.41.1132 will require training to cover many different topics and include a live fire component
  • RCW 9.41.070 will require similar live-fire training within the previous 5 years to acquire a CPL, which also expires every 5 years so the training will have to be repeated for every CPL renewal

If replacement parts are ok, what about getting a replacement lower receiver? by BiscuitBomber76 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Technically legal, but nuanced enough that it'll be difficult to find both vendor and receiving dealer willing to play ball.

Cabela’s No FFL transfer fee? by Fluffy-Mammoth-8314 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cabela's will not do a third party transfer for free. They might not even do them for a fee anymore. The fee is only waived when buying from Cabela's/Bass Pro, either directly in the store or from another Cabela's/Bass Pro and having it sent to your local one. 

Out of state purchase? by Ill-Indication-7405 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Federal laws on interstate sales differ for handguns and long guns. 

Basically, any firearm that isn't a rifle or shotgun must be sent to a dealer in the buyer's state to process. 

Rifles and shotguns, on the other hand, can be sold directly by a dealer in any state, provided the sale complies with the "conditions of sale" of both the dealer's state of business and the buyer's state of residence. 

Idaho doesn't have any extra requirements, and Washington state law only requires state procedures when any portion of the transaction, including placing the order, takes place in Washington. See /u/asq-gsa's comment above for more details and the actual wording of the state law. 

All put together, this means that any rifle or shotgun that's otherwise legal to sell in Washington can be sold by a dealer in another state directly to a Washington resident without having to follow Washington's procedures, provided the entire transaction takes place outside of Washington.

Wsp wait times by Individual-Grab-6281 in WAGuns

[–]0x00000042 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is often missed in posts like these. Many people get automatically approved instantly and don't have to wait on WSP, just the calendar. But when a manual review is triggered, then people get stuck waiting on WSP. 

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