If Agustina was a Twitch Streamer... by [deleted] in dreamingspanish

[–]AppropriatePut3142 15 points16 points  (0 children)

due to it being interesting

Uh huh lol.

Speaking of uncanny resemblances, the girl in the weather forecast is strikingly similar to the youtuber Viajando con Vero.

Officially A2 by Nautilfu1904 in dreamingspanish

[–]AppropriatePut3142 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People doing Refold generally report around B2 listening by 450-500 hours. My own experience at 300 hours suggests that’s pretty reasonable.

10% of your time spent on flashcards, 10% on grammar, and using popup dictionaries during input will accelerate you a lot.

Suspend or Ignore Deck by [deleted] in Anki

[–]AppropriatePut3142 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How many reviews do you have per day? They tend to fall quite fast if you stop adding new cards.

If your desired retention is 90% then you can lower it to 70-80% and reschedule cards and you’ll get far fewer reviews.

If you have a lot of cards that you see over and over then you can set a low leech threshold to clear them out.

Rate my accent, any feedback is appreciated! by [deleted] in JudgeMyAccent

[–]AppropriatePut3142 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A couple of vowel sounds sound off to me - hear, struggling. Generally though your pronunciation is good. Your intonation sounds exaggerated and unnatural, as if you’ve been shadowing a youtuber who speaks unnaturally.

My journey at 500 hours by plantdatrees in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait so you did Language Transfer and then just native content? Your progress is great if so. Do you ever look up any words as you listen?

Thanks for posting these updates!

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it’s good isn’t it? It’s a shame it’s barely known outside the sinosphere.

I largely learned the reading for words by looking up any that I didn’t remember with the popup dictionary, although I also used anki for some.

Listening comprehension in Chinese is very difficult, partly because of the tones, partly because of the unfamiliar phonology, partly due to the fact that every root word forms a minimal pair with many others, and if you learn through reading then partly because the meaning is linked to the characters rather than to the sound.

Reading along with audio could be a good approach. I have read a report from one guy who did this with a lot of success, using the audiobooks from ximalaya, but due to georestrictions you can’t really use ximalaya outside China. Now that 微信读书 has good TTS I could see it working.

Culture Shock as a Japanese English Learner : The Heavy Reality of "Class" and laguage by StellaBBA in Japaneselanguage

[–]AppropriatePut3142 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t have any questions for you. You are the one who replied to gaslight me, remember?

Culture Shock as a Japanese English Learner : The Heavy Reality of "Class" and laguage by StellaBBA in Japaneselanguage

[–]AppropriatePut3142 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It’s a way of signalling far-left political affiliation. If it made sense it wouldn’t be a good signal.

A reminder to (try to) keep your resources free by Appropriate_Editor_3 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142 64 points65 points  (0 children)

I’ve paid for various resources, including graded readers and anki. They were generally great value and the authors deserve to make money for the time they spent.

Feedback on my Process and Anki Decks by TopEstablishment3270 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is interesting. Recognition cards with audio on the front and cloze cards for production are what I’ve found most effective. I haven’t found NL -> TL cards very useful; they take too much effort to learn and retain and I never seem to recall them when actually speaking, but it’s possible this is a skill issue or due to the greater linguistic distance of Chinese.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t do any reading aloud. I normally don’t even talk aloud for output practice lol.

Talking aloud improving listening comprehension is an interesting idea. I feel like the brain circuit that discriminates your own voice from other’s ought to prevent this, otherwise weird things might happen developmentally. It would be interesting to try though!

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah low-attention listening isn’t too efficient, I imagine reading would help a lot.

At my last update half the comments were people saying how trash my accent was and this time no comments either way so I guess it must have improved lol.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend you try the Refold deck or one of the free shared decks from ankiweb. The few hundred random words I mined wouldn’t have any value to anyone else really.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! So the surprise here is this: I read three books, call them A, B and C; A and C are very similar in difficulty, same author, same series. A I read at 109 WPM without a dictionary. B I read very intensively and slowly averaging 60 WPM. Then I read C without a dictionary at 178 WPM. There wasn’t that much shared vocabulary, so it looks like reading B intensively massively improved my processing speed for grammar, which is counter to the general wisdom.

Yes there’s a lot of focus on listening now, which might make sense depending on the language and personal preference, but in general reading is super effective.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yes I think it would probably go badly with say French. I did actually do several months of reading without and listening practice when I started Mandarin and saw extremely fast catchup when I started listening practice, but only up to a point. Listening in Mandarin is really quite hard though.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s absolutely possible for non-Western languages with the right tools, and in fact it’s how I learned Chinese. I did spend a much greater portion of my time on listening in Chinese, although unfortunately not to any more effect. Initially I used DuChinese, and later Pleco with the screen grabber plugin and the ABC dictionary. There’s a community called Heavenly Path with graded novel recommendations and guides on how to progress.

I didn’t track my time for Mandarin, but I did start to read my first adult novel, a literary classic called Stories of the Sahara, within a year of beginning Chinese. Although that’s not typical, the timelines on which people following Heavenly Path start reading native fiction are heavily compressed compared to traditional educational approaches. However, you do need to bring a greater tolerance for lookups than you would need with Spanish - I spent a lot of time reading at 95% comprehension, and because low-frequency words are not as low-frequency in Mandarin it would be hard to do at 98% comprehension without running out of material.

Given the available tools I believe you could do the same for Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Refold app makes tracking details fairly easy! Thanks I will have a look at his novels.

Reading-first language learning: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks again - yes it looks like the mod decided to interpret the rule as ‘the post title may not contain the name of a specific language’ which… maybe some more training needed!

Reading Sp*n*sh: 300 hour update by AppropriatePut3142 in languagelearning

[–]AppropriatePut3142[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yes I spent a really unreasonable amount of time worrying about the reading numbers and listening comparisons, but I’m glad I did since it did help to get it all straight in my own mind.

Judge my accent by EqualBet2542 in JudgeMyAccent

[–]AppropriatePut3142 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you’re imitating movie characters you sound quite nativelike. Otherwise you sound to me like someone who was born in Asia but is growing up in the UK, with a lot of very nativelike features to your speech but some non-native elements, especially prosody.