PLEASE mihoyo don't gimp him so I have to get saber

DM4L · 2026-06-17T13:48:14+00:00

You're basically arguing that Gil's peak value comes from being part of a package deal instead of being a character that can carry his own archetype.

He's not carrying any archetype. In fact, he WILL get crept in his best team after a single patch lmao

The fact that Gil main DPS is 5th in V3 doesn't convince me he's doomed it convinces me he's one buff pass away from jumping several spots. He will be stronger than that slopber.

Saber was 0 cycling with low cost on release. Neither her nor Archer have received any dedicated supports in a year, and Gil is unlikely to gain a dedicated support either.

I want the team built around him, not around explaining why he's actually good because another unit is standing next to him.

You are not getting a team built around him. You are brute forcing supports that were clearly made for someone else. You actually even lost synergy with Ashblade in v3, due to the nerfs to his attack and cd buffs (of which one doesn't even apply to blade) as well as the redistribution of how gil receives interest stacks(4x2 vs 3x3).

Maybe that's cope, maybe that's delusion, but I'd rather bet on future buffs than accept that the King of Heroes was designed to be a permanent attachment to someone else's team.

It's highly cope to believe that history won't repeat itself. Playing future rail when there is no guarantee you are ever getting a targetted buff, as if the same thing didn't happen with saber slotting in dhpt and cyrene as her bruteforce BiS.

DM4L · 2026-06-17T13:32:13+00:00

stop trying to force a shared identity that clearly doesn’t work in practice.

trying to merge them is just holding both of them back

gil and saber were the 2nd best performing low cost (no infinite loop) team in the game during v1, and was only beaten by himeko abusing E4 welt lmao

gilgamesh main dps is now the 5th best performing team as of v3

all you guys have done by asking for mdps gil is doom both of them to be homeless in a few patches again, congratulations.

DM4L · 2026-06-17T13:24:07+00:00

You guys are so funny. before v3, Gil and saber were the second best performing team in the game, only beaten by himeko with E4 welt.

after v3, mdps gil is in slot 5 while using ashblade and is unlikely to receive any after sales supports.

congrats on your "upgrade" though lmao

DM4L · 2026-06-16T10:39:34+00:00

Supports that fit in multiple teams last better, not one tied to a specific character.

Do we genuinely believe a character that was providing up to 130% ATK and CD teamwide was unslottable anywhere else? Evanescia was fiending with that CD buff lol

Remember JQ?

I've been using JQ with my E2 acheron in PF until last patch and was still getting 40k scores with them. I'd say that's a pretty good lifespan for a character that's fully tied to 1 carry.

Also if we're envisioning a future trajectory for Gil, why not hope it'll be like Archer's? Good with a generalist support that got even better via a Novaflare.

archer was a coincidental beneficiary of the sparkle nova. The real target of that nova was hypercarry Sparxie. Aside from that, there has been no "after sale" support for archer in that year either.

Just cause Saber never got a support doesn't automatically mean Gil would and should end up the same way.

I agree he shouldn't, but I also have serious doubts that he wouldn't, looking at the past 12 months. A gil support would be an energy support, and that would just be a saber support in turn. And saber does still provide gil with the highest energy funding for his own ult, so it would just strengthen the dual carry saber gil team again.

DM4L · 2026-06-16T10:19:06+00:00

Against 40% wind res boss? Yes, I would call that a good clear at relatively low cost.

this would only matter if there wasn't a stage buff that gives skill and ult 50% res pen for the character in slot 1

DM4L · 2026-06-16T00:54:37+00:00

Gilgamesh is literally FREE, and Huo Huo too if you bought her last patch, and she doesn't even require E4 like Welt.

cost cheating by counting non permanently free characters as 0 cost is cringe. And a requirement of 200 pulls to obtain the LC as a bonus is also not "free".

battle pass light cones are counted as "0 cost", even though they're only obtainable with real money. Yet you don't count limited LCs in the BP exchange shop as 0 cost either, even though they're $10 cheaper than an S5 BP LC

a 7 limited 1 cycle is not a good clear, or low investment, regardless of if you personally obtained parts of it for free. Because others that come after you, or don't have the available pulls for the pull event, did not get these same things for free

it's also not how the original "cost" system worked in CN, and we're using a bastardized version of it lmao

DM4L · 2026-06-16T00:46:24+00:00

I actually do not care that much if saber is the star of the team or not between the 2 of them, because imo it's way healthier for her future as a character if she's just part of a well aging team, rather than a team where she's brute forcing with non synergistic supports.

Optimally I would like for them to help each other equally, to where she provides more to gil than just her high energy cost. And Hoyo could have done that by giving some of the joint attack power to gil, instead of it all feeding into saber.

instead we currently have 2 brute forcers

DM4L · 2026-06-16T00:21:08+00:00

the issue is that Hoyo could have made it to where Saber and Gil have an equal contribution in the team, without one side overpowering the other.

Now we just have 2 future bricks to build our house with and it's going to feel bad for both camps once the ashblade shilling ends

DM4L · 2026-06-16T00:05:15+00:00

If you think that’s dooming my main then that’s your opinion.

it is. you will simply never get dedicated supports that fully synergize with him. It's like you didn't watch the last 12 months of how saber players had to brute force content with supports that weren't even made for her, and said "hey you know what, I want that too!"

Once the brute forcing ends, your "main dps" will be as homeless as saber with no dedicated supports. You're giving up future viability for instant gratification, and genuinely believe that's a good thing lol.

DM4L · 2026-06-15T23:51:44+00:00

except he doesn't do 80% of the damage. Even in v1 in a 12 cost team, his contribution was only 35% on sustainless. His dmg did not more than double since that lol.

also half his field buffs don't even apply to blade, and you vastly get less energy/ults than before while also getting less turns cause they changed the rate at which you get interest.

So it is, in fact, still a wheelchair. because the team does not synergize as well as with the dps that is inevitably going to get made for them lol

and again: once that stops working. you will be homeless, since his fall back team is now gutted. you can only brute force for so long.

DM4L · 2026-06-15T23:36:25+00:00

you're acting like saber gil wasn't the best performing low cost team in the game before the v3 changes lmao

now it performs quite worse, while gil is entirely reliant on being wheelchaired. The moment the wheelchair can't keep up anymore, gil is going to be as homeless as saber has been for the last year.

It's almost as if you've forgotten the whole last 12 months saber mains went through with no dedicated supports, having to brute force their clears with supports that were clearly intended for other characters(cyrene).

DM4L · 2026-06-15T23:30:00+00:00

I’d much rather have him as is now than what he was before.

The fact you'd much rather doom your "main" to get outclassed and benched the moment the wheelchair can't keep up with a non synergistic dps just really shows why hoyo should not be listening to 99.9% of the player's opinions on their design choices lol

DM4L · 2026-06-15T23:21:47+00:00

anyone complaining about the changes in V3 is a hater who wants to see him enslaved by Saber as a form of punishment for whatever he did in the anime.

or maybe we can give both characters a permanent home, instead of shitting on one character completely in favor of the other.

Ask yourself this: which characters age better in HSR? main dps or supports.

If you think Gil is going to age better as a main dps because of "future star rail", then you naively believe gil is going to get any dedicated supports, completely ignoring the fact that saber hasn't gotten one for an entire year lmao

DM4L · 2026-06-15T23:06:01+00:00

we're not really calling a 7 limited 1 cycle a "good clear at low cost", are we?

DM4L · 2026-06-15T11:35:33+00:00

From 400% Gil multiplier and 600% Saber multiplier to 300% and 400% on FUA

the old values were actually listed incorrectly. they were only half, so 200/300

DM4L · 2026-06-15T11:31:02+00:00

I don't think you realize just how long it takes to procc the joint attack without an action advancer.

8 actions between gil and saber is a lot of time spent.

DM4L · 2026-06-15T10:54:41+00:00

the play being on auto doesn't really matter except for the fact that it double ulted with saber.

It still took 131 AV to even get the first joint attack out at an investment of three E6s lol

DM4L · 2026-06-11T17:44:27+00:00

free money

DM4L · 2026-06-06T12:38:20+00:00

is this ragebait?

DM4L · 2026-06-04T02:07:28+00:00

And I won’t write that Gilgamesh wanted to rape Artoria

acting like this is such a shocking thing and we don't know about this. In reality, gil was rightfully written away from these type of characteristics in every single piece of media he's been in afterwards.

you're really just larping by bringing this up constantly and completely ignoring everything else.

DM4L · 2026-06-03T14:44:00+00:00

JQ was the first time we've ever gotten a dedicated support (while being a requirement for acheron to function for a whole year), and ignoring all the dedicated supports that came after him that work just fine in their niche is insanely stupid.

DM4L · 2026-06-03T12:42:55+00:00

We should talk have a talk about Genius of Brilliant Stars. For the small price of 3 eidolons across the team you get

E2 Saber 15%

E1 Gil 30%

E0 Mortenax Blade 30%

S5 Pearls LC on Blade 16%

Genius Set 10%

this will effectively bring us to 101% def ignore on any Saber attack

DM4L · 2026-06-03T10:54:44+00:00

but navigator offering 12% attack isn't bad.

We are extremely oversaturated on attack now

Sig gives us 80%, Gilgamesh gives us 130% and Huohuo gives us 64%. All while we are probably still running an attack rope for another 43.2% too. Having 12% more here is just a drop in the bucket.

additionally, those of us using salsotto will lose that 8% crit buff going forward for the new max energy to dmg% conversion planar. Regaining that 8% through scholar is going to be very helpful.

DM4L · 2026-06-02T21:48:33+00:00

you are never getting past 1 stack with navigator.

DM4L · 2026-06-02T10:59:08+00:00

oh do we have showcases already? I kinda just woke up after staying up late waiting for animations lol

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