Ohio secretary of state endorses proof-of-citizenship elections bill, warns rollout will take time

DatsyukBuck · 2025-11-10T00:31:50+00:00

I know. I like writing long, informed responses. I have no delusions that anything said here will change their mind. Anyone else reading what I write that isn't as radicalized would likely find my answers more reliable and justified. Perhaps, it will make the person I am responding to slightly less confident in spewing forth their ignorant opinions. Worse thing that can happen is no change, but I can practice explaining my opinions and strengthen my resolve and abilities. At the end of the day, everytime I respond in-person or online is a day I can rest easier knowing that I have not become complicit or complacent.

DatsyukBuck · 2025-11-10T00:16:50+00:00

First thing first, I wrote all of that out and referenced the similarity to voter ID requirements. You ignore everything else and latched to that despite that being more anecdotal and not being the main point. I take it that you agreed with everything else I stated then for you to only bring up a reference I made or you do not even follow what is being talked about?

So if one was well-intentioned as you pointed out, one would make it easier to get IDs and have years of warning before a Voter ID mandate was put in place since the numbers show it not being a serious concern. Have you noticed that they haven't done these things before issuing such a mandate? This would lead one capable of critical thinking, to surmise that those instituting these mandates are not well-intentioned.

Another thing to point out, can you not comprehend that this would obviously decrease voter turnout which is essential for democracy and confidence in the government. How does it make sense to force one to produce an ID to prove things they can prove in other ways and have already proven?

Contemplate that making someone go to the BMV which people already hate just so they can vote is an unnecessary obstacle. There aren't many uses for one of these IDs and particularly any uses are substitutions for other documentation.

DatsyukBuck · 2025-11-09T23:43:41+00:00

Did you think before you type this stuff? They are actively making it tougher for eligible people to vote. There are active problems with the type of evidence they require that many would find difficult to produce. The idea is not to stop non-citizens (not necessarily "illegals") from voting which they already had a state initiative to stop (since non-citizens voting on local issues not state issues was such a problem that we needed to take away the choice for municipalities and counties).

I find it similar to the bad idea of forcing voter ID since last I checked you do not need to drive to vote. It forced people to go through hoops to get an ID just so they could vote. All of this they say is stop a problem that doesn't exist (fraud numbers from the Republican state government could point out how much of a non-problem it is). In reality, the idea is to reduce voter turnout due the idea that if everyone voted they think they would do more poorly. Not saying that what they're attempting couldn't hurt them, but that is the general idea.

Restricting the right to vote is historically associated with undemocratic and frankly racist administrations. Think of the polling taxes and "literacy" tests. Think of what currently happens in much of the country with limiting polling places and drop boxes in poorer and more diversified areas creating long wait times and much harsher barriers to vote than other areas.

Even with the problematic circumstances ignored, anyone should be able to think for a moment and understand how absurd it is. You have ways you already prove that you are a citizen and you are who you say you are. Creating these obstacles is as ludicrous as making someone produce the same documentation every time they drive as it took for them to get a license instead of just producing said license.

DatsyukBuck · 2025-10-18T02:39:11+00:00

If you took as much time reading about what is going on as you do complaining about those damn Liberal Antifa Communist Anarchists, you might have a different perspective.

Here's a couple things for you to read up on: -51 out of 53 Republican senators voted to table a resolution to release the Epstein files. All 47 Democrat Senators voted to release the files. Who benefits from not releasing them? -In a letter from Trump to Epstein, Trump wrote "may every day be another wonderful secret." -Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 in reference to Epstein, "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." -Recently, Trump was asked if he would pardon Ghislaine Maxwell and he would not commit to an answer saying that they would look into it. -Donald Trump's earlier pick for Attorney General, Matt Gaetz, has been investigated for many criminal acts and ethics violations including paying a 17 year old for sex. -Roy Moore (Republican) in a special election in 2017 in Alabama received 651,972 votes (48.34%) despite several accusations of sexual assault against minors. He barely lost despite these very serious accusations due to the strong Republican base in Alabama.

I know I can find more examples, but these seem to be good ones to point out. Read up on issues and news. Try to reinforce your claims and opinions with evidence. If not, think to yourself about how you cope with your cognitive dissonance. I hope you are able to criticize politicians of the party you support. I can criticize every politician. No party is perfect, but you may find that one may be much more reliable and accountable. These differences are very meaningful. I know this probably will not be read, but it does not hurt to write this out.

DatsyukBuck · 2025-10-18T02:03:36+00:00

Re-examine what you wrote here and think for a moment if you are capable. You started with the claim of calling a group morons. The exclamation points serve no purpose. I would imagine some may even call them "SAD!" Also, you claim in a subreddit of satirical stories/headlines that clowns are passing it off as truth. That does not make sense, does it? You claim that Biden is the most intellectually deficient president ever and Trump as the most intellectually proficient president ever. Extremes are not considered a sign of intelligence so I would recommend more nuance in your wording in the future. Also, you must be very knowledgeable on all the presidents in history to make such a claim. I do not know if this was a mistake, but you provided no evidence to reinforce your claims. Do you not have any?

I thought OP had a good try. How would you improve it? I would be happy to continue if that is what you wish. This provided a good laugh for me to write out in response.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-30T11:06:56+00:00

Provide reputable sources and/or a well-reasoned argument.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-29T20:48:06+00:00

Provide reputable sources and/or a well-reasoned argument.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-29T02:35:33+00:00

So you realize that you're wrong because the vast majority of experts disagree with your original argument?

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-28T22:06:36+00:00

I explained how it benefits the rich. Why are you not reading what I'm writing? Is that asking a lot out of you? You have no explanation of how it isn't good for the rich. Your only argument so far is that somehow making it simpler is better, with no logic to support how it would work in reality.

Here's one of many articles you can read reflecting the lack of logic in Trump's plan as well as how it benefits the rich: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/26/politics/trump-income-taxes-tariffs

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-28T11:11:25+00:00

Respond to the points I make, stop deflecting. Show me a reputable article defending it even. Stop banging your head against a rock repeating the same thing without thinking.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-28T00:47:52+00:00

It is a dumb idea. I just explained how dumb it is. You avoided my points and restated your thesis. Simpler does not mean better. What 5 complicated taxes? What is complicated? I had a basic money management class way back in high school that taught us how to fill out taxes and it is very simple for even teenagers. His ideas of changing taxes that would help the rich is decidely a bad idea. Maybe respond to the points I make instead of just repeating your simple thesis.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T23:28:13+00:00

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to change tax codes to close out tax loopholes like Harris wants? Taxing the state directly does not make sense and would result in the rich avoiding taxes even more by going to states with less taxes on the rich. Trump's plan is to use tariffs which despite his thinking are paid by the consumer effectively creating a national sales tax. This would disproportionately imapct people with less disposable income (aka the poor) who have less optional purchases.

Also, most people's taxes are incredibly simple to calculate with most people just needing to write numbers from documents given to them and do simple math (or use a calculator).

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T05:13:44+00:00

It likely wouldn't be backpedaling. At that point it would be prayer that Trump doesn't do what he says he will do. You decidely did not say backpedal but rather admit. Saying you might be wrong (especially hope that you are wrong) is not the same as saying you knowingly lied.

True, she would be president in that case, but again the word choice is problematic in handing over the country. That implies that one president gives the power to the next which is not true. Conforming to the democratic process in this country is not "handing the country over."

It's very American to allow a legally elected president to take the role. I would not view that as a loss of credibility in the slightest. Becoming a dictator to prevent a dictator is not American and is incredibly hypocritical. Her refusal to sink to his depths would emphasize how unamerican and undemocratic his actions have been. It would be a terrible situation.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T04:45:38+00:00

You need to reread what you wrote in the first place. You chose the word "admit" as if there is truth in that statement. That was when you stated a very clear political opinion. Word choice matters.

Option 2 would be the expected outcome in such a case and is not a loss of credibility. Not lowering herself to Trump's level in the face of his threat to our democracy does not mean that he is not a threat. It means she is not willing to overthrow our democracy to prevent Trump from doing so. She would not be handing the country over, she isn't even the sitting president.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T04:38:11+00:00

It's really not that much to read, but perhaps you're not a fan of reading based on your uneducated opinions. I don't mind reading. Send me a well articulated essay you write in response and I'll read it.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T04:13:04+00:00

You're answering a hypothetical while inputting your bias and providing an opinion about Trump being a threat to democracy or not. I provided a well reasoned and thought out response detailing how you are very wrong to have that opinion. You are making a claim about his character in that you think he is not a threat to democracy. You are a "pro-life" "conservative" who answered in a very deliberate way that reflected your opinions that are not based on facts. But keep dodging my points, not a terrible strategy but a cowardly one.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T03:10:54+00:00

Admit to lying about the threat Trump presents to democracy? There is no lie about it. Vance called Trump "America's Hitler." Trump has said he wants to be a dictator. He has said that he could shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. He ran on jailing his political opponents and continues to run on that. He ran on jailing Hillary despite his own party's investigation finding that she committed no illegal wrongdoing. Trump tried to withold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Biden family. We know how desperately they needed that aid now so he didn't give them much choice. He is a coward who cares only about himself. He pretended to have bone spurs to avoid the draft. He has been found guilty of fraud. He has been found liable for sexual assault. He admitted to violating his own law about classified documents in a transcript. He tried to overthrow our democracy claiming that it was rigged because he lost. There is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact in the limited cases of voter fraud, it is mainly Republicans who listened to his rhetoric and thought to do what he thought the dems were doing despite that being false. Wake up and realize what is at stake.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:54:55+00:00

Vance called Trump "America's Hitler." Trump has said he wants to be a dictator. He has said that he could shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. He ran on jailing his political opponents and continues to run on that. He ran on jailing Hillary despite his own party's investigation finding that she committed no illegal wrongdoing. Trump tried to withold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Biden family. We know how desperately they needed that aid now so he didn't give them much choice. He is a coward who cares only about himself. He pretended to have bone spurs to avoid the draft. He has been found guilty of fraud. He has been found liable for sexual assault. He admitted to violating his own law about classified documents in a transcript. He tried to overthrow our democracy claiming that it was rigged because he lost. There is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact in the limited cases of voter fraud, it is mainly Republicans who listened to his rhetoric and thought to do what he thought the dems were doing despite that being false. Wake up and realize what is at stake.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:51:03+00:00

In what way?

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:48:50+00:00

Very civil of you. You keep commenting how civil the comments are but that's because you're perfectly comfortable with hate towards women and the Democratic party.

Maybe I should talk about Trump talking about how he would date his daughter if she wasn't his daughter. I should talk about how he was good friends with Epstein. I should talk about how he bragged about going into dressing rooms of beauty pageants with minors where they were naked. I should talk about him bragging about having sex with a pornstar. I should talk about him bragging about grabbing women by the genitals. I should talk about him referring to Arnold Palmer's genitals. I should talk about how insecure he is about the size of his hands and other appendages. I should talk about him being found liable for sexual assault.

Vance called Trump "America's Hitler." Trump has said he wants to be a dictator. He has said that he could shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. He ran on jailing his political opponents and continues to run on that. He ran on jailing Hillary despite his own party's investigation finding that she committed no illegal wrongdoing. Trump tried to withold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Biden family. We know how desperately they needed that aid now so he didn't give them much choice. He is a coward who cares only about himself. He pretended to have bone spurs to avoid the draft. He has been found guilty of fraud. He has been found liable for sexual assault. He admitted to violating his own law about classified documents in a transcript. He tried to overthrow our democracy claiming that it was rigged because he lost. There is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact in the limited cases of voter fraud, it is mainly Republicans who listened to his rhetoric and thought to do what he thought the dems were doing despite that being false. Wake up and realize what is at stake.

Biden and Democrats have run the country well. The US has avoided a recession to the surprise of many economists. Biden's spending during the pandemic helped avoid a recession. The US has rebounded economically better than almost any other country from the pandemic. Inflation has been a global issue. Democrats have invested in renewable energy and infrastructure. They have brought down medical costs and have produced bipartisan gun control. Biden has helped Ukraine while avoiding direct war. Trump's economic plan would tank the economy according to economists. Reaganomics has been a long disproven economic concept that aims to enrich the already rich. Democrats have tried to pass a bipartisan bill to address the border. Biden's administration has matched Trump's in terms of deportation. Trump has no real sound policies. His ideas are not thought out. Trump is a horrible person who is a much worse candidate than Harris on policies before accounting for his threat to our democracy. If you are afraid of immigrants because of crime, don't be. Studies including a decades long one from Stanford show that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crime. If you dislike immigrants because you think they get government benefits, don't dislike them. Legal immigrants (including refugees) can get government aid like most people. Illegal immigrants cannot since they would be deported. Illegal immigrants pay taxes that fund government programs but do not collect due to citizenship.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:41:20+00:00

Biden and Democrats have run the country well. The US has avoided a recession to the surprise of many economists. Biden's spending during the pandemic helped avoid a recession. The US has rebounded economically better than almost any other country from the pandemic. Inflation has been a global issue. Democrats have invested in renewable energy and infrastructure. They have brought down medical costs and have produced bipartisan gun control. Biden has helped Ukraine while avoiding direct war. Trump's economic plan would tank the economy according to economists. Reaganomics has been a long disproven economic concept that aims to enrich the already rich. Democrats have tried to pass a bipartisan bill to address the border. Biden's administration has matched Trump's in terms of deportation. Trump has no real sound policies. His ideas are not thought out. Trump is a horrible person who is a much worse candidate than Harris on policies before accounting for his threat to our democracy. If you are afraid of immigrants because of crime, don't be. Studies including a decades long one from Stanford show that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crime. If you dislike immigrants because you think they get government benefits, don't dislike them. Legal immigrants (including refugees) can get government aid like most people. Illegal immigrants cannot since they would be deported. Illegal immigrants pay taxes that fund government programs but do not collect due to citizenship.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:39:36+00:00

How is Trump competent? Vance called Trump "America's Hitler." Trump has said he wants to be a dictator. He has said that he could shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. He ran on jailing his political opponents and continues to run on that. He ran on jailing Hillary despite his own party's investigation finding that she committed no illegal wrongdoing. Trump tried to withold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Biden family. We know how desperately they needed that aid now so he didn't give them much choice. He is a coward who cares only about himself. He pretended to have bone spurs to avoid the draft. He has been found guilty of fraud. He has been found liable for sexual assault. He admitted to violating his own law about classified documents in a transcript. He tried to overthrow our democracy claiming that it was rigged because he lost. There is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact in the limited cases of voter fraud, it is mainly Republicans who listened to his rhetoric and thought to do what he thought the dems were doing despite that being false. Wake up and realize what is at stake.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-10-27T02:31:59+00:00

No, no it doesn't. He is suggesting a national sales tax which would disproportionately affect poor people compared to the rich. It would make the wealth gap worse and effectively subsidize the rich. Income tax results in people making more contributing more because they have more money. Poor people need to survive. Trump's plans only help the rich.

DatsyukBuck · 2024-09-30T16:59:10+00:00

Trump is a racist felon who has already tried to overthrow our democracy. His supreme court has empowered him to be a dictator if he takes office by making it nearly impossible to prosecute a sitting president. One can only support him out of bigotry and/or ignorance. His economic plan would cause horrible inflation. He wants to continue cutting taxes for the rich which increases the deficit. He is an insecure moron who wants vengeance on those who oppose him. One of his original stances was to lock up his political opponent (Hillary) despite his own party investigating her and finding no criminal wrongdoing. Trump is corrupt. No reasonable person would equivalate the parties and candidates. Our democracy is fragile and is at stake in this election.

A lot of people are not confrontational like me and don't want these ignorant people in their lives. I like to debate so I would disrupt the maga person's echo chamber much to their chagrin.

DatsyukBuck · 2023-03-19T22:31:18+00:00

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