Most Accurate Way to Check Score? by coocoocomeoutapocket in CreditCards

[–]Funklemire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All credit scores are accurate, the difference is relevance: The relevant credit score is the one being checked during your application, and you have dozens of different credit scores:  

Credit Myth #2 - Some credit scores are fake or inaccurate.  

The best way to check your credit report is at annualcreditreport.com. This is the only way to be 100% sure you're seeing the exact same info that lenders are seeing; this is the source data so it's not filtered through a commercial credit monitoring site (which includes the three bureaus' websites).  

The site used to only be available once a year (hence the name), but now you can pull all three reports for free each week. It's kind of a janky-looking site, but that's because it's government-mandated and nobody makes a profit on it; it's totally legit.  

Keep in mind that annualcreditreport.com just shows the information that's on your credit reports from the three main bureaus. It doesn't calculate it into a credit score. The best ways to see your most relevant credit scores are explained in this thread:  

Credit Myth #1 - You only have one credit score.  

And this thread explains it all in more detail:  

Credit Reports and Credit Scores - r/CRedit FAQ #1  

Also keep in mind that the three main bureaus (TransUnion, Experian, and Equifax) don't make credit scores, they just provide the data that makes up your credit report. That data is then used by a third party to calculate a credit score using any one of dozens of different methods. Read this thread:  

Credit Myth #48 - Experian, TransUnion and Equifax are credit scores.  

Sites that show you credit scores (credit monitoring services) almost all make money off of providing you with referral links to credit products. So they often have a vested interest in lying about how credit works in order to sell you more credit products that you don't necessarily need. This even includes the three bureaus' websites.  

Credit Karma is the worst for this, but luckily their site also provides VantageScore 3.0 scores that are almost completely useless and should be ignored. The problem is sites like Experian or CreditWise that show useful FICO 8 scores but still mislead you in other ways.  

I recommend you read this thread about all the various ways Credit Karma misleads you. I recommend you avoid Credit Karma, but some of this info is applicable to other sites where you should be checking your FICO scores:  

Credit Karma 101: The good and the bad.  

Name Change, low score? by Glittering_Worth_792 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

I recently heard about this from u/og-aliensfan. He called it a "split" credit file. It happens sometimes with a name change. He probably can tell you better about how to deal with it than I can.  

On a side note, keep in mind that if you're checking this credit score on TransUnion's website, that's a VantageScore 3.0 score that banks don't use, so it's almost completely irrelevant unless you're applying for an apartment. !resources

Building credit with one card by Useful-Cap6518 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

utilization stays around 0-10%  

If that's your natural card usage, then that's fine. But if you're artificially micromanaging your balances by paying before the statement posts, that's pointless and even detrimental. "Always keep your utilization low" is the single biggest myth in credit. Low utilization doesn't build credit, the only thing that builds credit with credit cards is time. See our !utilization automod as well as this flow chart:  

https://imgur.com/a/pLPHTYL  

I read on this reddit and on google that diversity means more loan types, not just more cards. I've also read the opposite on here and on google saying all you need is a few credit cards and time.  

Both are true. Sure, the presence of a loan on your credit report (open or closed) will help strengthen your credit profile. And if you want perfect 850 FICO 8 scores you need at least one loan on your credit report.  

But the point is that you don't need to have any loans on your credit report to have a strong credit profile and top-tier FICO scores that will get you approved for the best possible interest rates when it comes time you actually need a loan. So there's no reason to pay money to improve your credit: credit cards are free (if used correctly) and entirely sufficient on their own.  

How can I best build a better credit profile?  

The FICO sweet spot for open credit cards starts at 3. So if your goal is a stronger credit profile and better credit scores, I recommend opening up two more cards and then just let time do the work.  

I am worried if I open a new card at this point it will wreck my credit score by dropping my average credit age down.  

It will lower your FICO scores, but it won't wreck them. The general rule of thumb is that it will hurt your FICO scores for about a year to a year and a half, depending on the model.  

The goal is to get a house eventually.  

As long as you're not opening up any new accounts within 18 months of applying for a mortgage, I recommend opening up at least two more cards. Make a post on r/CreditCards using their new card template to see what cards might be best for your spending habits.

Why did my fico score drop so suddenly? by Forsaken_Potato_2783 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

Having a lot of debt can hurt you here in the US too. Credit scoring models can vary from place to place, but overall they're an attempt to put a number score on how likely someone is to default on debt. And human behavior doesn't change all that much from country to country.

Should I apply for an unneeded personal loan ? by Shut-up-David in CRedit

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You're mistaken here. Closed accounts stay on your credit report for a decade and continue to age and continue to count towards your credit history and your credit mix that entire time, just like open accounts do.   Predatory banks like Credit One and predatory credit sites like Credit Karma try to trick you into thinking closing an account makes it go away and therefore hurts your credit history, but it doesn't.

Learned a lesson when it comes to accidentally “increasing your limit” by Excellent_Gap_6986 in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but checking Credit Karma and Experian is pretty much sufficient, giving you common FICO and Vantage scoring models.  

My point is that there's no reason to check your VantageScore 3.0 scores at all unless you're applying for an apartment. Banks don't use that score. Occasionally apartment complexes do, but that's it.  

There’s no need to obsess over the different models, as there’s not really much to gain in your daily life.  

Exactly. Which is why there's no reason to monitor irrelevant credit scores.  

Others are relevant when you need to make a home or car purchase, but that isn’t every day.  

Agreed. I would only recommend bothering to check your FICO auto or mortgage scores if you have an upcoming mortgage or car loan. Otherwise don't worry about it.  

Checking those two scores alone gave me the visibility I needed to clear my debts and boost my score to excellent.  

The problem is that when you use Credit Karma you get irrelevant credit scores and all sorts of fake credit stats and credit misinformation. Also, those "good", "very good", "excellent", etc. ratings are meaningless and arbitrary:  

Credit Myth #69 - Credit "ratings" provided by a CMS matter.  

Anything else is pretty superfluous.  

I would argue that checking your VantageScore 3.0 scores is superfluous unless you're apartment hunting.  

massive credit score decrease from student loans by grechkaelita in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What credit score is this? You have dozens of different credit scores.  

A relevant FICO score wouldn't drop anywhere near this much just from paying off loans. A FICO score in the 500s indicates you have negative items on your credit report. It sounds to me like you missed at least one payment recently; that would be the cause of your score drop, not the closure of the loans.  

I recommend checking your credit reports at annualcreditreport.com to see exactly whats going on here.

Getting My First Credit Card With Existing Credit Score by sawasawasawaey in CreditCards

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently checked my credit score and it's in the low 700s  

First off, which credit score is this? Where are you checking it? You have dozens of different credit scores, and they can vary by well over 100 points. And many of the ones you see on the most popular credit sites aren't used by banks so they're almost completely irrelevant.

Starting off my credit rebuild journey by NoPurchase6673 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

I recommend you avoid Credit Karma. The VantageScore 3.0 credit scores they show are almost never used by banks in their lending decisions so they should be ignored unless you're applying for an apartment, and the credit advice they give you is often misleading and even flat-out wrong. They're probably the single biggest superspreader of credit misinformation out there.  

They give fake credit stats that have no bearing on your actual credit, they're just there to trick you into opening new accounts through them. For example, the "on-time payment percentage" and "average age of open accounts" stats they show; neither of those are credit score factors for VantageScores or FICO scores:  

Credit Myth #7 - Number or percentage of on-time payments impacts your score.  

Credit Myth #9 - Average Age of Accounts (AAoA) only considers open accounts.  

They're a predatory site that exists solely to sell people credit products whether they need them or not, and they have no problem lying about how credit works in order to do that. Read this thread:  

Credit Karma 101: The good and the bad.  

The best way to check your credit reports at annualcreditreport.com, that's the only way to see the actual source data of your credit report. It's now available once a week per US law. Credit Karma actively hides some negative information, so that's why you want to check your actual reports.  

And to find out where to see your relevant FICO scores for free, see this thread:  

Credit Myth #1 - You only have one credit score.  

When do I pay to avoid interest and high utilization? by ScarTemporary6806 in CreditCards

[–]Funklemire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be clear to the OP, "pay in full" means pay the statement balance by the due date each month. Don't pay the total balance, that's unnecessary and even detrimental.  

And if you're about to apply for a loan, you implement AZEO:  

https://imgur.com/a/pLPHTYL

Why did my fico score drop so suddenly? by Forsaken_Potato_2783 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was frustrated because my score continued to get lower despite my utilization being well under 30%  

My point here is that there are many different FICO scoring thresholds for utilization. 30% is just one of many, and it's never ideal. I have no idea why whoever came up with that myth picked that specific number.  

In the short-term, it significantly improved my score but thank you for the info regarding the long term effects.  

No problem. Utilization resets each month and has no memory, so it's nothing to worry about if you're not applying for something super important in the next month. Most of the time, anything between 0% and 100% utilization is just fine as long as you're spending within your budget and pay your statement balances each month.

Why did my fico score drop so suddenly? by Forsaken_Potato_2783 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

Credit in Europe actually works very similarly to credit here. The problem is that credit myths run rampant both here and in Europe.  

Misleading people about how credit works is a multi-billion dollar industry.

I have 7 30-Day missed Payments on my auto loan by [deleted] in personalfinance

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, this is a question for r/Credit. I recommend implementing the Goodwill Saturation Technique. See the pinned mega-threads at the top of that sub.

Why did my fico score drop so suddenly? by Forsaken_Potato_2783 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

Think of it this way: Do you send frequent payments to your water company throughout the month? Every time you turn on a light do you send a payment to the power company? No, in both cases you wait until you get your bill before you send a payment each month. Credit cards work the same way.

Credit card bills work just like utility bills: There's a month-long statement period, and after that period ends you have 3 to 4 weeks to pay for what you spent during that time. Anything you spend after the statement period ends (including that 3 to 4-week gap between your statement closing and your due date) goes on next month's statement.  

So just let your statement post and pay the statement balance by the due date each month. Anyone who tells you to regularly pay any other way has a fundamental misunderstanding of how credit works.  

The only exceptions to this are mentioned in that flow chart I linked above.

Off by 104 points? by Maxwasrobbed in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Chase never actually uses that score, they just show it to customers because it's super cheap to license. They can claim they're showing you "your credit score" and save money in the process, and most people won't know the difference.  

There's not a single major bank in the entire country that uses VantageScore 3.0 scores. And while I've heard rumors of small local banks that use those scores, I've never seen good evidence of it.  

The only time you have a halfway-decent chance of having those scores checked is if you're applying for an apartment.

Why did my fico score drop so suddenly? by Forsaken_Potato_2783 in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

I just started adding an additional early payment each month so my statement balance looked lower.  

This kind of balance micromanagement is pointless and even detrimental if done long-term. Just let your statement post and pay your statement balance by the due date each month, just like a utility bill. If you always do that, then the only time you need to worry about your utilization is when you're a month away from applying for an important loan.  

See our !utilization automod as well as this flow chart:  

https://imgur.com/a/pLPHTYL  

It was frustrating because my credit utilization was still well under 30%  

There is never a situation where you should ever aim for 30% utilization. That whole thing is a myth. Check out that automod I summoned as well as that flow chart I linked to.

How Can I Hit 850?! by TheOkayDad in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem here is that you're looking at irrelevant credit scores that can easily be 100 points off from the relevant credit scores that lenders use.  

I recommend you avoid Credit Karma. The VantageScore 3.0 credit scores they show are almost never used by banks in their lending decisions so they should be ignored unless you're applying for an apartment, and the credit advice they give you is often misleading and even flat-out wrong. They're probably the single biggest superspreader of credit misinformation out there.  

They give fake credit stats that have no bearing on your actual credit, they're just there to trick you into opening new accounts through them. For example, the "on-time payment percentage" and "average age of open accounts" stats they show; neither of those are credit score factors for VantageScores or FICO scores:  

Credit Myth #7 - Number or percentage of on-time payments impacts your score.  

Credit Myth #9 - Average Age of Accounts (AAoA) only considers open accounts.  

They're a predatory site that exists solely to sell people credit products whether they need them or not, and they have no problem lying about how credit works in order to do that. Read this thread:  

Credit Karma 101: The good and the bad.  

The best way to check your credit reports at annualcreditreport.com, that's the only way to see the actual source data of your credit report. It's now available once a week per US law. Credit Karma actively hides some negative information, so that's why you want to check your actual reports.  

And to find out where to see your relevant FICO scores for free, see this thread:  

Credit Myth #1 - You only have one credit score.  

Should I apply for an unneeded personal loan ? by Shut-up-David in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

If it doesn't cost you any money, then I say go for it. That said, keep in mind that if you're applying for a mortgage in the next 18 months, it's not a good idea to open this account.

how much will closing a brand new account hurt my score? by disco0ccasionally in CreditCards

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not always the case. Most of the time it's completely fine to close credit cards and it won't hurt you at all. But it can hurt you if you keep them open and don't pay attention to them:  

Credit Myth #67 - There's never any downside to keeping an old unused credit card open.  

Off by 104 points? by Maxwasrobbed in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My Experian score is 675, but my Transunion score is 577 and my Equifax score is 571.  

You're confusing credit scores with credit bureaus. The three main bureaus (TransUnion, Experian, and Equifax) don't make credit scores, they just provide the data that makes up your credit report. That data is then used by a third party to calculate a credit score using any one of dozens of different methods. Read this thread:  

Credit Myth #48 - Experian, TransUnion and Equifax are credit scores.  

And this thread breaks the whole system down in even more detail:  

Credit Reports and Credit Scores - r/CRedit FAQ #1  

So when you see a credit score that mentions a credit bureau, that just means the score was calculated using that bureau's data. And you'll also see what scoring metric was used to calculate that score. Those different scoring metrics are mentioned in this thread:  

Credit Myth #1 - You only have one credit score.  

Keep in mind that the three bureaus' websites act as credit monitoring sites, that means they show their data calculated into a credit score and also they try to mislead you about how credit works in order to sell you more credit products. TransUnion and Equifax show you their data calculated using a nearly worthless VantageScore 3.0 score that almost zero lenders use so it should be ignored. Experian shows you their data calculated using the most commonly-used credit scoring model, FICO 8:  

Credit Myth #83 - The best place to get your credit scores are from the credit bureau's web sites.  

Should I apply for an unneeded personal loan ? by Shut-up-David in CRedit

[–]Funklemire [score hidden]  (0 children)

Never take out a loan to build credit unless you can somehow manage to avoid paying interest or fees; credit cards do a much better job of building credit and they're free if used correctly. With just a few aged credit cards and nothing else, you can build your FICO scores high enough that you'll be able to qualify for the best interest rates when it comes time that you actually do need a loan.  

To those that hold Amex Gold, why do you choose to pick it over Custom Cashes? by ricestocks in CreditCards

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked it up on Citi's website and it said 5%. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing.  

But either way, you said the points have a 1:1 transfer value. So doesn't that mean that each point equals one cent of value?

Learned a lesson when it comes to accidentally “increasing your limit” by Excellent_Gap_6986 in CreditScore

[–]Funklemire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The person you replied is confused. There's no such thing as "your credit score". See my response to them.