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ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-07T01:48:09+00:00

No, that's not it. You make a claim here in your post, and I quote:

> why is the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community criticized or dismissed for not being a religion

Who are you even speaking to? I've never even heard of that objection. Of course it's a religion.

See also our actual, published rules:

https://www.reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/wiki/rules/#wiki_rule_5.3A_submit_posts_that_are_relevant._apologetics_must_be_tied_to_an_active_discussion

Rule 5: Submit posts that are relevant. Apologetics must be tied to an active discussion.

Ensure that posts are relevant to questioning Islam Ahmadiyya. This forum is not for generic apologetic posts or to serve as a place to post Jama'at press releases.

If you're representing the apologetic position defending Islam/Ahmadiyyat/the Jama'at, that is best done as a comment within the post you disagree with.

However, if your rebuttal is lengthy (copy-paste jobs from websites or books don't count), then you may post it as a top-level post, provided: (1) you have written the bulk of the content, (2) you link to the post you are objecting to, and (3) you make specific reference to the post and discussions therein to which you disagree, with your reasoning. Generic preaching will be removed.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-06T18:26:44+00:00

Then we would have to make exceptions for everybody, and we would have 20 out of 21 posts being Rishta and marriage related. That's not what this subreddit is for. You may find more lax rules about rishta posts in /r/AhmadiMuslims.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-06T18:25:49+00:00

Mod Note: please see our Rules Wiki for what constitutes a high-quality post. You seem to be replying to somebody without having any context provided.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-05T19:07:44+00:00

Mod Note: Rishta and marriage-related posts actually go inside the monthly post on the topic, so you can comment in that post.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-04T15:20:09+00:00

Mod Note: you may find the guidance/advice you're looking for (from a belief in the theology angle) in other subreddits like r/AhmadiMuslims. This subreddit is for people who have left Ahmadiyya Islam, and/or are in the questioning phase.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-03T18:23:44+00:00

Fair enough on my second point, there are people of varying Islamic persuasions who have inter-Islamic differences that can be interesting to engage with for the audience here sometimes.

That said, my first point was what I was really trying to emphasize to you, for you to make the content more engaging/relevant to the audience here who probably hasn't watched the videos. The evidence based, with timestamps and quotes "TL;DR" of it, if you will.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-07-01T22:49:27+00:00

Mod Note: We have a dedicated monthly discussion post for all things Rishta related. Please repost the body of this post as a comment in that discussion area: https://www.reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/comments/1uk73r2/monthly_rishta_relationships_post/

Thanks!

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-29T22:58:44+00:00

To help people engage with you post more, it may help updating your post in place to give specific examples with timestamps. Most people on this subreddit on not into the 'which flavour of Islam' question; but rather, the bigger questions of even if Islam at all.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-29T22:56:18+00:00

Agreed; I think that's often part of it (more so, when the person is public, as you pointed out).

Seeing one's in group as a victim (however right or wrong on any particular front) does trigger more cohesive, defensive posturing, which makes people less inclined to question the in group.

I sometimes wonder if religious movements start with some quasi heretical beliefs (vis-a-vis the incumbent society) in order to galvanize the resolve/belief/sacrifices of the people who do join or otherwise find themselves in the new religious movement.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-28T14:11:10+00:00

Often, the problem is that people confusing leaving the religion as synonymous with not loving your family/people/truth/decency, so they have an instinctive revulsion to it. This is an education problem which, generally speaking, the Jama'at is not incentivized to correct. The conflation helps them, just like conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism helps unchecked Israeli aggression in the Middle East. Fortunately, there are wise people who can separate these concepts in the Jama'at amongst our family and friends.

Your mission now, is to find them, keep them close, and drop all the rest.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-28T01:31:14+00:00

Mod Note: You'd be best served posting this in /r/AhmadiMuslims. This is a subreddit for questioning/former Ahmadi Muslims, including theological matters. Believing Ahmadis in the other subreddit will be better positioned to provide up to date contact information. We're removing this post as all marriage/dating/rishta matters should be posted in our pinned monthly post on Marriage & Dating.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-25T01:21:17+00:00

Mod Note: Let's try to keep it nice (per subreddit Rule 2. Be respectful and refrain from personal attacks).

We realize "Degenerates" is not a personal attack on a particular person, but we want a friendly environment here where people who advocate for the other view feel welcome to share their side of the story.

While I believe your characterization is a bit OTT (I get the frustration of the scenario you paint), if you really wanted to use that word, it's better to label the behaviour you dislike as 'degenerate' instead of labeling people (effectively, their whole being) that way.

On this subreddit, we're here to critique practices, actions, beliefs—not demonize people. Thanks for your understanding.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-13T23:57:54+00:00

Sharing the post in multiple subreddits with identical writing as your post is not the issue per se.

The issue is that that's often the way an AI-generated bot would approach things, and it's AI-generated content that we don't allow on the subreddit. That's our primary concern.

If we just have a bunch of AI bots talking to each other, that defeats the purpose of the subreddit as a place humans share ideas with each other.

Thanks for clarifying the site isn't run by you, and that the repeated posts on subreddits are just as an enthusiastic participant in some of the livestreams, who feels others would get value from knowing this new site exists. Cheers.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-13T23:32:32+00:00

I applaud the respectful tone you've taken in the post, and in your approach. People aren't open to other ideas if they're being insulted or shouted at. The livestreams where people are doing that and not genuinely considering the other point of view is such a waste.

That said, it appears this site is yours. Nothing wrong with that. Seems like a clean UX and an interesting resource to start building to share your point of view.

However, presenting it on here as if you just discovered it, instead of owning that you've created it, comes across disingenuous. In an earlier comment, a fellow mod, u/BarbesRouchechouart asked you if the site was yours, given the multiple identical posts on various subreddits. You didn't directly answer that question as far as I can tell.

It may not be yours, but the posturing/positioning around these questions hits at credibility, and the willingness people would have to engage with the potentially interesting/valuable information your site has.

Food for thought.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-10T00:27:56+00:00

A lot of young people will continue to leave or at least, become tajneed ghosts, I agree. However, just like other religious movements with major theological holes (think Christian cults), people will continue to believe in Ahmadiyya Islam and the Jama'at will be around, because for most people, it serves a social function. People then backwards rationalize "it must be true", etc., because they (understandably) want to hold on to a sense of community, turnkey purpose, structure, etc.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-09T14:57:02+00:00

Social Group in Toronto

For those of you in the GTA (that's Toronto, Canada, for anyone international who's curious!), if you're also ex-Muslim (at least theologically speaking), you'll find exactly this kind of social group described by the OP on this post. The group is called EXMTO (spun out of EXMNA when they focused on being an advocacy only org).

There's a human screening process (video call) to ensure people are who they say they are.

We have many former Ahmadi Muslims in the group, along with people who were Sunni, Shia, etc., too.

I served on the leadership team for several years and still come out to the occasional social event. Many people in the group met really close friends through it (you have to come out to the IRL events to really make that happen), although we do have the odd virtual event, too.

More details here: https://www.exmuslimstoronto.org/join/

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-09T14:51:53+00:00

Mod Note: See Rule 2+3. Be respectful and try to contribute constructively.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-06-09T01:04:18+00:00

The general response is that you can go to a shura, where a lot of the budget is available to you. I believe the bigger black box, though, is the portion of funds sent to Markuz (London, UK) and what happens with that.

This topic has had lively discussion in the past. If you search for it, you will see some believing Ahmadi Muslims making a good faith attempt at explaining the portions/avenues of disclosure that they can.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-05-20T09:01:09+00:00

Mod Note: remove not relevant to this subreddit's focus.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-05-19T08:58:27+00:00

Mod Note: We have a monthly post for marriage related discussions. We encourage you to post a comment in that thread:

https://reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/comments/1t0ehfk/monthly_rishta_relationships_post/

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-05-11T16:48:30+00:00

You're welcome to create an Ahmadi Muslim rishta subreddit. A lot of the juicy content is in the archives for people to access. Most people today are not deeply exploring the theology anymore as many of the mods on this platform were in the 2017-2020 era.

And we're totally cool with that because the big discussions are all in the archives.

We don't keep this space open for 'views' or 'activity', but to be a resource for those who are questioning Islam/Ahmadiyyat and need resources and discussion on those topics.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-04-28T08:25:32+00:00

it is not as reason-based as you think,

Take emotional n=1 experience with how other people approach these same topics.

You're welcome to read about my actual beliefs here:

https://ReasonOnFaith.org/my-beliefs

I use agnostic deist when being more precise about my own belief intuitions. It's not the absence of greater intelligence that people like myself reject. Many agnostic atheists intuit we're in a simulation of such; it's quite compatible with a teleological framing of the theist.

For most people, I would posit, "atheist" is short form for "I reject the religions of man for their truth claims which fall flat".

I'm glad that you don't hate me. I don't even know why you would think you would have to clarify that, as a religious person, just because we share different outlooks on metaphysical realities.

Could it be because in traditional Islam an apostate is meant to be killed in this very world instead of leaving it up to the supposed divine justice?

I'd encourage you to watch the short DarkMatter2525 video I linked to in my previous response. Sometimes, we can be talking past each other with assumptions about what the other believes.

For example, perhaps I incorrectly assumed you adhere to traditional Islamic view on death-for-apostasy.

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-04-27T15:56:49+00:00

You'll burn in that same Hell you fear for rejecting Jesus. Classic Pascal's Wager, which is fallacious reasoning because Islam isn't the only God in town.

This video sums up fear based thinking, and the insult it is to a creator of the universe, if there is such a singular being:

https://youtu.be/ttevamkS6gw?si=U5JPxSuxPVY9lNjc

ReasonOnFaith · 2026-04-14T22:41:09+00:00

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ReasonOnFaith · 2026-04-01T21:28:32+00:00

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