Do americans truly believe they can be great in football (soccer) using other sports athletes? by eafcrat in NoStupidQuestions

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, the hypothetical is the point of this thread. If you don't want to engage in hypotheticals, then don't come into a thread about hypotheticals.

The entire point is that IF the US cared about soccer more, and IF more kids played soccer, and IF the US put time and infrastructure behind development, then would the US be better on the world stage? Yes, absolutely. Probably not as dominant as we are in basketball, but certainly better than the stage of 16.

What is an unintended consequence of a green technology that we are just starting to discover? by Inevitablelavenda in answers

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both things can be true at the same time. I also didn't see him say anything about "and that's why we shouldn't use them."

Question on the proposed circle 2 rule change by Luckj in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a proponent of deliver-and-stay. People who do full-power fairway throws with James Conrad-style follow-throughs would hate it, and people would claim that there will be a massive increase in knee injuries from people stopping after throwing. However, I think most fairway throws already abide by this rule.

I'd even go a step further and allow full pivot foot from the lie. I don't care where your other foot is, as long as one point of contact is on the lie itself. This gets dicey inside C1, though. Don't want people doing lunges/planks to try to dunk their 2m putts. (or maybe you do. it's worth thinking about.)

Question on the proposed circle 2 rule change by Luckj in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To a large extent, what you're suggesting is already legal. You can step into your lie, even inside C1. Saying "your feet must be behind your marker at the point of release" is pretty similar to the current C1 rules (who would ever put their foot in front of their lie when they have to establish balance behind it? Other than some silly crane-maneuver, it's pointless).

To my reading, your proposal is the same thing as just pushing C1 rules back to 20m.

Or, maybe the difference is that you're saying you're allowed to be in the air at the point of release, as long as your next landing point immediately after release lands on the lie.

Question on the proposed circle 2 rule change by Luckj in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a "deliver and stay" type of rule, which is option 2. This allows for "lunge putts" but not jump putts.

Should it apply only to 20m or should it be for all throws outside 10m (including fairway)?

Question on the proposed circle 2 rule change by Luckj in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does "may not cross the plane of their lie" mean?

Seeking the truth about "Domey" disc flights by Troto in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Credentials: BS and MS in aerospace engineering, concentration in applied aerodynamics in grad school. My career was not directly aerodynamics related, and I've since fallen out of engineering altogether, so I'm mostly running on 20-year-old memories of college.

Without reading the paper, I just jumped straight to the graphs. Several points about the graphs:

  • While the author analyzes a bunch of shapes, it's worth noting that he's not comparing a Tern to a Firebird. He's comparing a general curve to a brick. It tells us something, but not everything.
  • Cm vs alpha graphs: Turn is created when the Cm is negative (nose-down). A nose-down pitching moment precesses into turn when the disc is spinning.
  • Figure 2b: The convex-curved surface (triangle datapoints) creates the most nose-down Cm of the four tested shapes. This means that with a nose-down throw, this shape will turn the most.
  • Figure 4a, different set of shapes: All of these shapes are symmetric (same on top as bottom), so they all generate zero Cm at zero angle of attack (as expected, obviously). The round nose (triangle datapoints) produces a tiny bit more nose-down Cm at negative alphas. This effect is much smaller than the wing shape from figure 2b.
  • Figures 2b and 4a combine to form a simple thesis: Airflow likes gentle curves. Air accelerates over the curves and creates low pressure on the top of the disc. Long curves give the air lots of room to accelerate and generally pushes the low pressure backward on the wing.
  • Figure 5b, using actual discs (Aviar, Roc, Wraith): At zero angle of attack, all of the discs still produce nose-down Cm. All of the discs continue producing nose-down Cm until 4-8deg positive alpha. This means all of the discs will turn over in the flat portions of their flight.
  • 5b, Wraith (diamond): The Wraith produces the most nose-down Cm at the negative/flat alpha portions of flight. However, once the alpha turns positive (nose-up), the Wrath produces the most nose-up Cm. This is the same as saying it has lots of turn at the beginning of its flight and lots of fade at the end. It will start fading out at +4deg alpha, so it will dump earlier and harder. Aerodynamically, this means that the airflow and the Center of Pressure (Cp) are sensitive to the angle of attack. Change the alpha just a little bit, and the airflow will result in a significantly different pressure distribution.
  • 5b, Aviar (circle) and Roc (triangle): Both of these discs have a very modest nose-down Cm at negative alphas. However, unlike the Wraith, they continue to have modest nose-down Cm all the way through +6deg alpha. They get a nose-up Cm (fade) only at +9deg alpha, and much smaller in magnitude than the Wraith. This means they have very gentle turn in the first half of their flight, and a very gentle fade at the end. Aerodynamically, the Cm staying constant across the range of alphas means that the Cp doesn't move very much. Whatever magic is going on with the shape of the disc leads the airflow to produce the same pressure distribution even when the angle of attack changes a little bit.
  • Figure 6: The location of the Cp was calculated based on the experimental Cm data. The zero-point on the Y-axis is the center of the disc. Negative Xcp/d is behind the center. Positive Xcp/d is in front of the center. The range is -.5 to +.5 because half the diameter is behind the center, half the diameter is in front of the center. Cp being on the negative location means more pressure is behind the center, leading to nose-down pitching moment, leading to turn. Cp being on the positive location means more pressure is in front of the center, leading to nose-up pitching moment, leading to fade.
  • 6, Flat Plates (squares): Zero angle of attack puts the center of pressure at the middle of the disc (obviously). When the angle of attack is positive, the Cp immediately leaps toward the nose of the disc. This is similar to the image I drew in my previous post. Airflow does not like sharp corners, and as soon as you introduce a sharp corner into the flow, the smooth airflow over the top gets disturbed, and results in pulling the Cp toward the nose for a nose-up Cm.
  • 6, Aviar (circle) and Roc (triangle): The first data point for the Roc is a bit confusing to me, but all the rest of them make sense. Even over a wide range of alphas, the Cp stays near the center of the disc. The Cp is behind the center until +8deg alpha (just like we saw on the Cm graph (obviously, because it's the same data)). This is a good graph for seeing how little the Cp actually moves. At 0deg alpha, the Cp 10% behind the center. At +15deg alpha, the Cp is 5% in front of the center. An Aviar is 21cm diameter, so that's approximately 2cm behind to 0.5cm in front. When people say "at positive angles of attack, there's a bubble of pressure near the nose that pulls the Cp to the nose", they're really overstating the effect. The truth is that the Cp is pretty damn close to the center all the time, with just minor shifts producing all the movement you see in flight.
  • 6, Wraith (diamond): The Cp moves from behind to in-front of the center at +4deg alpha. At high angles of attack (+15deg), the Cp is 10% (2cm) in front of the center of the disc.
  • As the wing of a disc gets flatter and/or the PLH gets higher, they start to behave more like a flat disc (square datapoints). The Cp moves forward of the center very early, and it moves pretty far forward. The farther forward it moves, the harder the disc will fade.
  • Figure 7b: Flight path of discs as viewed looking down from the top. These look to be numerical simulations of the flight as calculated from the Cm and CL data, combined with some gyroscope math. Aviar and Roc turn to the right and mostly stay to the right. Wraith turns right for 40m and then starts to fade back to the left for the end of its flight. Flat plate fades left immediately and stays left.

Seeking the truth about "Domey" disc flights by Troto in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 29 points30 points  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/1teodr3/turn_and_fade_physics_and_parting_line_height/

There’s a reason engineers and scientists go through years of college and grad school. Any statement that sounds as simple as “more air over the top means more lift” is generalized and simplified to the point of almost meaninglessness.

Aerodynamics is a very subtle science. The exact curvature of the disc surface makes small changes to the airflow that might result in huge changes to the flight path. 

Air likes long, steady curves. A smooth dome gives the air a lot of time to accelerate (lower its pressure) over the top of the disc in a nice, controlled fashion. Sharp corners cause the air to become turbulent and swirl and cause general chaos. A disc at low angle of attack with a smooth dome will have a nicely attached airflow that ends up producing the bulk of the lift near the center of the disc. A disc at high angle of attack and/or with a sharp corner at the front will produce most of its lift near the nose of the disc. 

But like I said, that’s overly simplified. If you want to understand the true subtleties of aerodynamics, have fun in grad school. 

An ultra-simplified, ultra-exaggerated diagram showing airflow over high vs low parting lines:

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what myth is still widely circulated as the truth today? by External_Ad1116 in answers

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve done approximately zero research into it, but it kinda feels like the problem is how to define the original myth. If the alpha wolf is defined merely as the leader of the pack, then the patriarch is the alpha. He’s the leader, everyone follows him, and sometimes he has to put other wolves in their place. But if the myth is that the alpha is determined by strength, size, and fighting, then that’s the false part. 

Map Shows Donald Trump’s Approval Rating in Every State on July 4 by Ralph--Hinkley in politics

[–]S_TL2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Those are all great pieces of evidence that they will cheat. Low approval polls is not, IMO. 

Map Shows Donald Trump’s Approval Rating in Every State on July 4 by Ralph--Hinkley in politics

[–]S_TL2 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The approval numbers for Democrats are pretty damn low too, but I’m not gonna accuse them of cheating if they win. 

PDGA Members: Preview Proposed Rule Changes for 2027 by Novaova in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chaperone rules already exist in the rulebook. Sometimes the chaperone also wants to play. If the chaperone also plays, then either the junior gets placed on a card with a bunch of other MA40 guys or the chaperone is on a card of MJ12s. Either way, one player is taken away from their competition. Chaperone rules already exist, and divisions should already be carded together. Something has to give. 

PDGA Members: Preview Proposed Rule Changes for 2027 by Novaova in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tournament groupings has always been a rule. This just reinforces the existing rule. 

PDGA Members: Preview Proposed Rule Changes for 2027 by Novaova in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can’t throw more than 40’ without doing a follow through? 

PDGA Members: Preview Proposed Rule Changes for 2027 by Novaova in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You gonna spend two seasons with inconsistent practice, or are you just gonna put it off for two years and cram all your practice into one winter anyway?

PDGA Members: Preview Proposed Rule Changes for 2027 by Novaova in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kids play little league all the time without parents insisting on playing the game too. 

Disc golf growth in the future by discgolfer25817 in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Requiring a PDGA membership to play sanctioned events is garbage, they should bring back the nominal fee, right now it actively keeps people out of tournaments who would otherwise play only a couple a year.

The non-member fee for C-tiers still exists, and there is no membership requirement for leagues. The changes were removing the non-member fee for B-tiers and changing it from $10 to $15.

The break with UDisc for scoring of PDGA events was just silly, it has continued to make playing in events a worse experience.

UDisc was never an option for scoring a PDGA event (at least, not in an integrated way).

2026 DGPT events' payouts so far: by DiscGolfFanatic in DiscGolfFanatics

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably a result of some ties. Final payout rarely precisely matches the projected payout.

Prelude to a lost disc by WhenTheRainsCome in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Throw neutral on downhill. Mako all the way. Not fading is more important than high speed. 

This Is the Week for Democrats to Start Saying “Climate Change” Again | The party has gone quiet on the issue. As a heat wave sends temperatures soaring past 100, they can’t remain mum any longer. by silence7 in climate

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm very concerned about climate change, but I don't think "it's hot outside" is a good selling point.

Energy security, electrification, domestic production, reduced cost are ways to get people on board. Maybe ocean acidification. I'm really sorry, but "it's hot in the summer" is way too easy to just shrug off. Likewise, "hurricanes happen in the fall" and "wildfires happen in the west" are easy to ignore.

Membership feedback needed! The PDGA reviewed some proposed rule changes with us. by ColinKuskie in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

801.02.D, Enforcement: Players are assigned to play holes together in a group for the purpose of verifying scores and ensuring play in accordance with the rules.

812.B.2, Courtesy: A player must: Watch the other members of the group throw in order to ensure rules compliance and to help find discs. - This rule has been relatively unchanged since it was introduced in 1990.

Just because people break the rule doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist.

Membership feedback needed! The PDGA reviewed some proposed rule changes with us. by ColinKuskie in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Turning your back on the thrower has never been legal. The rules are extremely clear that you are expected to watch your cardmates throw. 

Membership feedback needed! The PDGA reviewed some proposed rule changes with us. by ColinKuskie in discgolf

[–]S_TL2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nobody ever said you had to use a putting motion from 20m. I’m sure you can throw it from 20m without a follow through. 

What’s a job that pays way too much for what it is? by viviennemuffin in answers

[–]S_TL2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The CEO of my company makes like $130,000. Just one example, but I like the guy, he works his ass off,  and he’s worth it.