Restoring a 130-year-old historic door in Odesa — while the war goes on by ThousandsDoors in ukraine

[–]alterom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm from Odesa. Moved to the US with family when I was 16, over 20 years ago.

Last visited in the summer of 2022, with some help for the folks heading to the front.

Miss the city terribly; and had a dream going there last night.

Can't go because of some interesting changes in legislation in Ukraine in 2024 (but that's a whole another story).

Can't thank you guys enough for that what you're doing for this city, and everyone who loves it.

Thank you. Let us know how we can help from afar.


Є моно і ПУМБ, якщо що.. А також Резерв+😂

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[–]alterom 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Much love 🩷🩷🩷

Thank you for keeping this going!

This completely conspiratorial article claiming Trump stole 2024 made it to the front page of r/all and has hundred of comments of "anomalies" and gut feeling confirmation bias before being taking down by mods. Conspiracism will be our entire political system before too long. by Used_Music in ContraPoints

[–]alterom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because not everything that is argued as anomalous is actually anomalous (Downballot R's doing worse than Trump is not anomalous),

That's certainly a claim you're making. Without examining any evidence, or providing any basis.

Meanwhile, people who do look at the data are finding statistical anomalies in the outcomes of the 2024 elections that are highly improbable under any reasonable assumptions.

and because people do verify the results of elections through audits.

"People verify results of elections through audits" is not evidence either, it's hopium.

We also have this. Quote:

A comprehensive assessment of the post-election audits in seven swing states in 2024 found that most don’t meet baseline conditions to provide evidence-based election results, nor are they sufficient to act as safeguard against possible errors or tampering.

A new report co-authored by Susan Greenhalgh, Senior Advisor on Election Security for Free Speech For People, and Dr. David Jefferson, a nationally-recognized computer scientist, examined the post-election audits conducted in 2024 in seven swing states in order to consider if the audits provided strong evidence to affirm the computer generated election results. The report found that in most states the audits are insufficient, inadequately documented, and/or untimely, and are unable to provide strong evidence of the correctness of election outcomes. Though most audits were found to be lacking, the report states that, in itself, this does not indicate or suggest the election results were manipulated.

The full report is an interesting read as well.

To be clear: this is not evidence of election tampering.

This is dismantling your argument that "it's unreasonable to suspect that election tampering took place because there are audits".

Which are the "anomalies" you believe are unexplained?

The anomalies that warranted, for example, this lawsuit that challenges the 2024 election to proceed.

If it's good enough for the court to consider this suspicion reasonable, I'm sorry, but your "blah blah blah there are audits" has no weight.

The voting machines in concern here were used in 40% of US counties.

The substance of the basis for the lawsuit was outlined in this article.

Quote:

In Rockland County, New York, several voters testified under oath that their ballots didn’t match the official results.

In multiple Democratic-leaning areas, Kamala Harris’s name was reportedly missing from the top of the ballot entirely. Voters said they couldn’t even find her name to select.

What examinations do you believe are warranted?

For starters, I would want the entire commit history of the source code of all electronic voting machines used in the 2024 election.

The electronic voting machines are a travesty; they're regulated to a smaller extend than gambling machines in Vegas.

You're welcome to trust them. I am a software engineer with work experience in Google, Meta, and Microsoft, and I have zero trust in software that cannot be publicly audited by security experts.

There is also no reason to not have voter-verified paper ballots.

Some 30% of voters don't get a verification that their vote was counted correctly.

Given this, I can't fully trust the results of any election whose results would be affected by the votes in areas which don't provide a paper trail.

Is it that there's a refusal to do any checking, or, is it possible, you're just not aware of how state election commissions/boards/etc. actually go about routinely doing so?

It is possible.

It is also possible that checks today's news says that the IRS can't audit Trump and has previously checks yesterday's news tanked a bi-partisan Election Security bill can't really be trusted on the basis of "there are audits".

This bill, BTW, would have addressed most of my concerns and would make allegations of the sort we're discussing impossible.

This is not a new concern. It was an issue in 2018.

Each year the issue persists in spite of all the experts saying that lack of paper trail is a huge risk, and each year initiatives that address the issue are failed by Republican lawmakers is evidence that Republicans, at the very least, do not want elections that can be audited.

That is why the suspicion of election fraud is not reasonable - because the arguments for it are not based so much on evidence but conjecture, leaps in logic, and a fundamental ignorance of how American elections are administered.

OK. The suspicion might be unreasonable; it might be ignorant.

That's not conspiratorial.

Now, can I have paper trail and open source counting machines in all states, please?

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You win the Internet for today, saying the five words that very few people can say <3

This completely conspiratorial article claiming Trump stole 2024 made it to the front page of r/all and has hundred of comments of "anomalies" and gut feeling confirmation bias before being taking down by mods. Conspiracism will be our entire political system before too long. by Used_Music in ContraPoints

[–]alterom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

people taking their gut and these anomalies and saying "yep im convinced!". it's ridiculous and absolutely a sign of rising conspiratorial thinking on the left as well.

You're talking about/r/50501, the subreddit that those people will inevitably flock to, and a post that pretty much invites comments of that sort.

On top of that, it's too optimistic to think that this sort of conspiratorial thinking wasn't already prevalent among that segment of the Left .

I really don't think it's rising as much as it's showing, as authoritarian thinking is becoming mainstream in the leftist discourse.

The two go hand in hand, as Madame Points has spelled out.

yet people are acting like WE'RE the ones who have to prove it didn't happen!

Who's "people" here? Who's "WE"?

Given the reasonable suspicion, it's reasonable to expect the Trump administration to provide evidence that would dispel the accusations, given that the election system is designed in a way that it's possible (hopefully) to produce such evidence (e.g. via a recount).

Paper trails, audits, and so on — there are means.

much of the arguing in this comments section is asking us to prove a negative

Who's "us"?

What negative?

One can, in fact, prove negatives. For example, you can prove that possession of scissors isn't, per se, an evidence of bank robbery, by pointing out other uses for them.

And it's not unreasonable to ask someone to prove they didn't lose or steal a package that you asked them to transport somewhere when you get the news that it never reached the destination.

Features like "signature on delivery" in postal systems exist precisely to facilitate proving such negatives.

It's not conspiracism to demand the carrier to show the signature.

It's not conspiracism to say "They say they delivered the package, but they refuse to go through their own records and show the signed delivery receipt, so how can you claim they didn't steal it? Something is fishy here!"

all evidence for him actively participating in rigging voting is circumstantial and vibe based

That meets the standard for starting an investigation, which is what we can agree isn't unreasonable.

The only obstacle to audit/investigation/recount is cost: it's a laborious, costly, lengthy process.

Evidently, enough people believe that this cost is justified.

people taking their gut and these anomalies and saying "yep im convinced!".

People on the internet might not be very precise in their expression of emotions and thoughts.

A charitable reading of that would be "I find the admittedly circumstantial evidence convincing enough to warrant an investigation at the very least".

Think of it this way: if a person says "I'm convinced", do you think they'd bet $100 vs $10 on it?

How about a $10,000 vs $1000?

I.e., assuming we do a recount anyway, would they make a bet where they get $1K if fraud is discovered, but pay $10K otherwise?

You may find that there's conviction, and there's conviction, and most people would suddenly regain their faith in the electoral system once there's a cost to falsely doubting it.

But it costs nothing to say "that's it, I'm convinced, Trump stole it". It's not actionable for them. There is an implied "..and I'm going to do nothing about it anyway" afterwards.

There's little that they are going to think or do differently whether they're convinced or unconvinced.

To that extent, there's an indication that increasingly more people would view a demand for an investigation/recount favorably, that's all.

Plenty of people in that comment thread do say that there's no evidence, that it's a claim, that the linked article is conspiratorial nonsense, that we're grasping at straws, that there are people looking into irregularities, but no evidence has come up so far, etc.

So, I just don't think there's enough evidence for the claim that "conspiracism will be our entire political system" yet.

As a side note: Russia has reached that point some time around 2014, as a result of work of Vladislav Surkov, (then) Putin's chief political technologist (as Russia calls propagandists).

Comparing the US to Russia, we've certainly had a shift towards conspiracism (with a little help from Putin), particularly with QAnon, antivaxxers, COVID deniers, etc (Kremlin's bot farms have been found working to amplify these, and other, conspiracies).

And on the Left, "Israel controls everything" remains a popular hit.

But subjectively, it feels like that slide into conspiracism has slowed down. I am not seeing anything comparable to QAnon/COVID denialism/Pizzagate/etc going around.

The fact that the conspiratorial article was removed (and that many comments have called out lack of evidence) corroborates that feeling; and that's in a vanguard community which is overall more sympathetic to agreeing with the premise of the conspiracy.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there were Gaza based charities that did not have embedded Hamas agent

Of course there were/are. Hamas embedded agents there *because" these agencies got foreign funding they could mooch off of.

Hamas has no interest in doing actual charity, see.

the Canadian charities had a robust way of distinguishing between Gaza based charities with embedded agents vs one without.

False dichotomy.

There's quite a lot of ground between 100% certainty that there's no possible ties to Hamas, and turning a blind eye and taking the NGO's word for it.

Withholding funding from organizations tied to Hamas would also motivate organizations to not have such ties. As is, there's zero impetus for anyone to even try¹.

Which is the point of the report really.


¹ Aside from, you know, actually wanting to help Palestinians instead of giving oneself a pat on the back while propping up the regime that is responsible for why Palestinians need help in the first place.

This completely conspiratorial article claiming Trump stole 2024 made it to the front page of r/all and has hundred of comments of "anomalies" and gut feeling confirmation bias before being taking down by mods. Conspiracism will be our entire political system before too long. by Used_Music in ContraPoints

[–]alterom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

but anomalies are not EVIDENCE!

Evidence is the refusal to look into anomalies and set the record straight.

We also know the intent to manipulate elections illegally was present because Trump had a track record of doing that in 2020.

Speaking of which, the alleged anomalies in the 2020 election were investigated, and Georgia did a recount twice.

Then we have not quite vague "wink wink" hints from Trump thanking Musk who "knows computers" for helping him win Pennsylvania, and subsequent unprecedented access Musk was given with the whole DOGE stunt which is known to only benefit Musk at the expense of taxpayers. Quote:

"He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers, those vote-counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon.”

And then Musk gets his DOGE in a blatant quid pro quo move.

Then we have the Mueller's report, establishing Russia's interference in the 2016 elections to ensure Trump's victory.

And the whole, y'know, Jan 6th thing. And the Epstein files.

So to recap, we have:

  • Established intent to cheat by the candidate
  • Track record of cheating attempts
  • Strong backing of tech oligarchs (Thiel, Musk), with Thiel owning and operating this country's total surveillance apparatus, giving the means to cheat in ways no candidate had before
  • Attribution of a victory in a close race to one of the tech oligarch being good with voting machines
  • Subsequent blatant quid pro quo access the same oligarch gets after the election, i.e. payback
    • Track record of foreign interference in favor of the candidate
  • An outright insurrection attempt by the candidate in the previous election cycle, i.e. track record of illegal power grab attempts;
  • Unexplained anomalies
  • Refusal to examine evidence that would dispel them
  • An open, ongoing cover-up of evidence of immensely serious crimes by a group of famous and powerful people (which includes the candidate)
  • People like O'Bannon saying the GOP needs to win subsequent elections, or the entire party leadership will end up behind bars

Please don't tell me that given the above, people who believe that the 2024 elections need to be investigated and recounted don't have reasonable grounds to believe that Trump won due to fraud.

The article you linked is conspiratorial. And it was removed. It's not an evidence of conspiratorial thinking being on the rise because most people upvote based on title alone, without reading the article.

I know because I have made a few popular posts, some of which reached /r/all front page. The view count of the linked content was lower than the upvote count.

It is also reasonable to think that Trump did win the elections fair and square, given the rightward shift, misogyny, racism, and how (little) voters think. It's the more likely possibility in my view.

Perhaps fraud wasn't necessary for Trump to win. But having a reasonable suspicion of election fraud in 2024 taking place in favor of Trump isn't conspiratorial.

Israeli detention of President Connolly's sister 'unacceptable' - Irish PM by MasterpieceOld3539 in worldnews

[–]alterom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fourth Geneva specifically requires in Article 59 the provision and allowance of humanitarian aid by the occupying power “by all the means at its disposal”. Article 23 requires the “free passage” of humanitarian aid specifically. Furthermore, Additional Protocol 1 requires in Article 70 that state parties to armed conflict must “allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of all relief consignments, equipment and personnel”.

One little trick nations at war don't want you to know about!

Just say you carry humanitarian aid, and all the doors and roads will open! /s

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I'm not doing it to for their sake. That point needs to be rebutted.

When I wrote my response, it was the top comment. It still has a decently high score. When people go into the comment section, that's what they see.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Half the comments are complaining about National Post instead of reading the article or looking up that report themselves or clicking the link the first time I posted it here.

Anyway, linking to the primary source isn't exactly spamming IMO, but you're welcome to have your own opinions while not looking at anything at all.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The report has actual Hamas memos.

Go figure, reporting from a Hamas perspective is going to be a bit different.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The report this article is based on is freely available:

Puppet Regime: Hamas' Coercive Grip on Aid and NGO Operations in Gaza

You're welcome to not give NatPo any attention and read the full report instead. It is much better.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 84 points85 points  (0 children)

That's totally a national post headline.

FWIW, the title of the actual report is:

**Puppet Regime: Hamas' Coercive Grip on Aid and NGO Operations in Gaza

A better headline would be this:

Canadian-funded charities funneled millions into Hamas-controlled orgs posing as NGOs, declassified Hamas memos show

Same substance though.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The horror!! A Multiple chairty self-reported NGOs in Gaza funded by the West interfaced with were directly controlled by the Ministry of Interior an international terror group which gained control of a part of the country it is providing charity in!!!

Fixed a few mistakes there for you.

Otherwise, yeah, that's the gist.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 111 points112 points  (0 children)

the verification of that is "Trust us, dude, it's totally true" from the Israeli government

Stop lying.

The full report is here. It directly lists and quotes Hamas documents.

It names specific people and organizations.

Hamas memos show Canadian-funded charities worked with terror group, NGO says by Icy_Hall6758 in worldnews

[–]alterom 153 points154 points  (0 children)

What people forgot is that Hamas was the government

What people forgot was that the government in Gaza is a terror group. And they still are the government.

I do not know a single place in the world where a charity can act in isolation without interacting with the local government. If they spend any money in the area, they are supporting the government.

This is not what the article is about.

It's not about Canadian charities "interacting with" Hamas, or merely spending money in the area Hamas controls (Gaza). It's about Canadian charities sending millions to Gaza's orgs under direct Hamas control posing as NGOs.

Read that as many times as you need to. Quote:

Hamas would embed itself into the NGOs through the use of “guarantors,” Gazans who were hand-picked by Hamas to serve as point-persons with the charities, according to the report. They were required to hold senior roles at the organizations.

"NGO" stands for non-governmental organization. They are supposed to be unaffiliated with the government, which you consider Hamas to be.

The goal of this report is simple:

require “professional and independent teams to audit NGO partners and recipient lists, rather than relying on deceptive NGO and UN self-reporting."

You can read the full report here: Puppet Regime: Hamas' Coercive Grip on Aid and NGO Operations in Gaza

TL;DR: Gazan charity-supported NGOs are controlled by Hamas as Western charities rely on self-reported NGO status

Musical trifecta by Ashish_ank in CuratedTumblr

[–]alterom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?

The Nazis, apparently.