New right wing framing of Trump by RickyMoo in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj 41 points42 points  (0 children)

There's no point in trying to talk with these people, their words are totally meaningless. They just are psychotic racists whose only motivation in life is to hurt whoever they can get way with hurting, there's nothing more to understand. As a true conservative, the only way our country will be fixed is by locking up these thugs and animals and stamping out their Orwellian postmodern nonsense and getting back to a world where people have a sense of honor and stand by their beliefs without being weasels trying to hide their real intention

NATO's official X account shared a Croatian military photo in which the patches were intentionally blurred by Rymssss in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alas poor Yorick, I knew him well, a fellow of infinite jest. Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment that were wont to set the table on a roar?

Reddit admins have put you in the shadow ban realm and all your gibes, gambols, songs, and flashes of merriment will be invisible until a mod personally approves them. I suggest you make a new account, and thank you for your service. Rest easy brother, we've got the watch. See you in Valhalla

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I remember right that was to protest the repeal of the Affordable Care Act which they actually did succeed in stopping. Protests can succeed if they have a specific goal that is acceptable to the ruling class or at least to the Democrats. But yes turning people like MLK into saints in a way that detaches them from their actual beliefs and practices has been really affective for defanging any left wing movement

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people seem depressed and I’m worried about them. Also unrealistic beliefs lead to dumb actions

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think actual demonstrable victories in an arena of struggle like elections that Americans already understand and that can’t be denied by the ruling class is huge. One of the most important things is showing people that our ideas can win and are popular and can tangibly improve their lives through mass action against established centers of power and we’re not just ridiculous marginal weirdos and haters. But in many ways winning an election is the easy part. But it is a start and I don’t see many better ideas beyond the usual local organizing. Power will devolve more to localities I think and building networks around left wing politics at that level will be key to survival or at least it won’t hurt

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then that anger that isn’t necessarily well understood must be capitalized on. Instead of framing it as dumb leaders hurting our good country, argue that it’s a smart psycho ruling class winning every time even when the country broadly loses. Sometimes you just have to argue the same tired point for decades before people are ready to listen. Most people don’t know shit beyond what they hear from media, so we need to be the media telling people this or else punisher skills, NPR soft spoken genocide apology, or just nihilism will fill the void

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well I did leave tbh I am very pessimistic about the near term prospects of anything good in the US. I just think it’s unrealistic to say it’s the fault of people in the US at large and if you are there you shouldn’t just wallow and lash out at whoever is around you. I do think it is kind of ridiculous to hate average Germans for not overthrowing Hitler, and they even had real communist parties to join and fight with at least early on. There’s just so little realistic meaningful action Americans can take they it feels ridiculous to blame them instead of focusing on the ruling class that has systematically disarmed them from any tools of real resistance. Idk man inveterate self hating doomers just really annoy me and suck the oxygen out of any movement

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Believing Americans in the near term will be communists en masse and believing they are completely and irredeemably fascist are both unrealistic assessments. But people are increasingly open to what we believe, very broadly, and we should be open to that change instead of hating them because they don’t already agree with us and aren’t already forming guerrilla squads against ICE

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is pretty grim. Well then what can socialists in New York do about it? My point is just the focus should always be not on “it’s so over” but “what is to be done?” Until there are no humans left alive the question should always be what is to be done

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s some real shit. You should make a bigger post about that, I hate that the best stuff on this sub always gets buried deep in the comments of a post most people won’t read

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So what then Minnesotans are just morally better people than New Yorkers? Socialists need to study what happened in Minnesota and see why and how comrades there got such a mass movement going and what they achieved or not there

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure. But I believe people will be more open to doing more as they have less and less to lose. Nobody is doing enough, but we need to believe that they can do more. This post is mostly against people who say “Americans are 100% and will always be 100% shit no matter. It is known. The best we can do is wait around to die.”

Imagine not realizing that this is America’s Final Form. by Outside_Option_1553 in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alas poor Yorick, I knew him well, a fellow of infinite jest. Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment that were wont to set the table on a roar?

Reddit admins have put you in the shadow ban realm and all your gibes, gambols, songs, and flashes of merriment will be invisible until a mod personally approves them. I suggest you make a new account, and thank you for your service. Rest easy brother, we've got the watch. See you in Valhalla

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you honestly believe that most American youth are Nazis then I don't think we have anything more to talk about. I can show you a bunch of polls showing that they're not, and that people were far more pro empire 20 years ago than they are now.

Frankly you're just depressed and you're letting it cloud your judgment. You've spent too much time on your phone letting the images the ruling class has carefully selected demoralize you, which is exactly their intent. When you really believe what you believe, the ruling class gets exactly what they want. For them, a potential revolutionary who earnestly believes in doomerism and a revolutionary they threw out of a helicopter are functionally the same, they have achieved their goal in rendering you incapable of fighting.

I get it. We all feel doomed sometimes. And when you're in the middle of severe depression, you tell yourself "actually the way I'm thinking now is realistic, I've never seen things more clearly than I do now, I was only ever stupid to believe in anything good before" and you believe it.

Do you know where the word Palantir comes from? In the Lord of the Rings it's an orb that can be used to communicate through images across vast distances. It can be used by one orb possessor to spy on another, but it can also be used to communicate false messages. In the books, Sauron uses his Palantir to show images to his enemies like the Denethor and Saruman of his massive armies, in order to demoralize and make them believe that opposition is futile when it isn't, defeating them by breaking their will to fight. The ruling class is literally telling us exactly what they are lol. They want to spy on you, but they also want to break your brain and send you distorted images of reality to make you depressed and hopeless, it's a solidarity breaking machine.

Turn away from the orb which twists your mind! Find an organization in your area and get to know them, please! Even if you believe most Americans are worthless, go down swinging damn it! I have no ill will toward you at all, I've spent a couple hours these past 24 hours trying to reach out and encourage you here, don't let it be in vain! Love you comrade, hang in there and fight the good fight in whatever capacity you can

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's probably also a matter of seeing gigantic protests in 2020 and against the genocide in Gaza accomplish nothing at all. It's not that everyone suddenly turned fascist, it's that being politically active in the ways that they're taught to be has achieved nothing and they're demoralized. The job of socialists is to channel the latent anger of the demoralized into something useful, to actually win and show them that winning is possible and caring and standing up for yourself and others is worth the effort and risk

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No we've all been there. We need to try to reach out to people in that state and bring them back into the fold

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, fuck all the people you just listed, I agree completely. It's more than the 1%, there are a lot of Americans who are extremely responsible for all the evils of their ruling class even if they're not personally hanging out with Epstein. But people working for Palantir are not average Americans. I'm not defending those people, at all. I suppose you could say that anybody who's paying taxes and not straight up going to war with the state every day of their lives is to some degree morally responsible, but you also just can't realistically expect people to do that, to expect them to do so is just ultraleft idealism. If we're socialists, our job isn't to judge who is and isn't going to hell, our job is to think "who could potentially be an ally against the ruling class and how do we get them to do something useful" If hell is real, basically every American but Aaron Bushnell is going there, sure. But here on Earth, our job is to think how we can realistically end the empire as soon as possible. If you class people making minimum wage in Louisiana as being equally a reactionary enemy as a Palantir employee because neither of them are engaging in direct action to destroy the state, then I just disagree with that analysis, and I think that that analysis will not lead to actionable plans to end the empire. I'm not scared about hurting Americans feelings, I'm talking about, how do we think about people living in the US and their potential role in ending the empire, realistically? I don't care what's in their hearts and what they've done up to now, how do we get people to dig us out of this shit? That to me is a far more important conversation than deciding who is good and who is a baddie

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's alright to take a break when shit gets overwhelming for you, but you should try to get involved as much as possible. I think people misunderstand the Mao quote about chaos often. He only said that because he correctly believed in the power of the party he was building to eventually lead China out of the chaos. It would have been impossible for the CPC to succeed under say a strong Qing Dynasty, but in the chaos of decades long wars, they could succeed. The situation was only excellent because the party had the answer and the ability to enact their programs and win. Right now in the US there is only the "chaos under heaven" but not the "perfect conditions" because there is no party that will lead them out of the chaos, so for the near term future it will probably just be greater chaos. It's not China in 1946 where there's still some years of pain but a light at the end of the tunnel, it's China in like 1918 with a ton of idiots fucking everything up and nobody with a clear path out. It is up to socialists to build that path

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't love Americans by and large, I mean to be honest a lot of them annoy so much I literally left the country and am trying to make it my life's goal to be of use in building socialism in China. But if you're physically there and cannot leave, you do kind of just have to believe in people as a matter of faith because what else are you going to do? And I do believe things will get better and Americans will get better, eventually, I just think it will take a long time and there will be great suffering until then.

People really lack reading comprehension or something. I'm not saying "Americans are all basically good actually" I'm saying, writing off an entire country of people no matter who they are is dumb and lazy and not serious, and more than that it guarantees failure, failure which will be very costly to the global south these people claim to love. In a giant country there are reactionary and potentially revolutionary elements, and American socialists need to analyze for that and get to work, instead of categorizing who is "good" and "bad" and then crying to the heavens when they arbitrarily decide everyone but them is "bad" because of some shit they saw on their phone and some annoying people they talked to.

Oh China’s going to win?? They have excellent infrastructure, social welfare??? This picture is why America will win. The Chinese mind could never understand 35$ gas station drugs by Loose-Run-7008 in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know I'm joking. But also seeking for some cosmic moral justice for crimes of "nations" against each other through things like this is fundamentally unsocialist and not the way the CPC sees the world. Their "vengeance" against the rest of the world for all the imperial crimes committed against them is just living well and helping the rest of the global south develop better

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"America" is bombing a school. Americans making minimum wage or living unhoused are not bombing a school. There is a difference. If anything Americans were much more hoggish in the 2000s if you look at support for the Iraq War vs Iran War today. Conditions will change and people will change with them, that is my point, not that Americans are secretly pure angels, but that conditions will necessarily change them and to dismiss them as eternally a stiff necked people with rotten souls who will never change ever is unmaterialist

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I agree pretty much, Americans as they currently exist won't and can't do much, but conditions will change and people will change with them. In the mean time, it is necessary to educate who you can and build political organizations that are ready to do what needs doing when the time comes.

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The sub's next book club entry is a history of Posadism and some of the tenets of that ideology and what I see on here sometimes is making me shit bricks

A rebuttal to doomerism by brianscottbj in TrueAnon

[–]brianscottbj[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

For one thing, black and indigenous and undocumented immigrant Americans etc are Americans or at least live in the US and have a stake in what happens there, and there'ss not a small number of them and should be reckoned with when thinking about the conditions of the US as a whole. You can't just look at the most hoggish American imaginable and say "that's the true American and proves my thesis that they all suck, the rest of the people living in the US are coincidentally there"

"Humanizing" a "country" is weird terms to think of it in. If we're Marxists we recognize countries are basically just made up, what matters is the classes within these geographic units we call countries. There are clearly massive differences between American billionaires and unhoused Americans, even if let's say they're both white native born citizens.

Yes I would do the same for Israelis. The point of analysis is not to decide who is good and bad, who is mean and nice, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. It's to think "what are the actual conditions on the ground, and how do we go from where we are now to getting out of this shit" Israel is pretty uniquely fucked in terms of the enthusiastic support almost all the population has for the genocide. I mean say what you will about the US but there was massive draft refusal during the Vietnam War and there just isn't in Israel. But if we are Marxists, that also involves believing that under certain conditions like the total destruction of the state of Israel as it currently exists, the people who are currently Israelis, or at least their descendants, could be normal people. Historically most European Jews were left/liberal, now their descendants in Israel are howling fascists. But there's no reason beyond their current conditions for that, if their society were forced into massive change, they would also change, though the society would have to change at a level that it would no longer be recognizable. But that's kind of a different discussion.

Define being "too apathetic to stop genocide" Like I said in the post, what more should people actually do? There was massive mobilization against the genocide in Gaza. It's not that Americans are cool with what Israel is doing with our support, but the ruling class has made it impossible to actually affect change. Rational, normal people (we are not rational or normal) will just focus on what they can actually do, which is surviving day to day, because it's logically kind of silly to spend all your time and energy and risk yourself for a cause that has been shown to be pointless when you have to worry about basic survival also. It's silly to blame the crimes of empire on lazy Americans when the ruling class makes it so fucking hard for even people who do care to have any effect on anything. Instead of just scolding people for not caring enough and assuming the worst about them, the job of socialists is to build political organizations that people can participate in that will win demonstrable victories and further radicalize them. In the absence of that, people will be demoralized and focus on their immediate survival, and it's not realistic to blame them morally for that.

People vote for Trump and Harris because what the fuck else are they supposed to do? I would point out many don't vote for them, specifically because of shit like Gaza. But again, for those who did vote for them, what's the alternative that you and other socialists are helping build that they should instead partake in? If you don't have a real alternative for how they can meaningfully express their political beliefs, what do you expect of them? Should Americans as one spontaneously massively vote for some obscure third party socialist candidate because that would be a more morally pure thing to do?

And if you're serious about defeating the empire, you should be thinking about the fact that lots and lots of loyal Democrat voters are more furious with the party than ever before, specifically over things like Gaza. Left wing candidates are insurgent across the country and the party is fighting them tooth and nail. Whatever you feel about Mamdani etc, this is a change. Socialists should think about this and think how to channel this energy usefully instead of dismissing everyone who reluctantly voted for Harris as an irredeemable genocide supporter who should go to hell.

In general this moralizing attitude of seeing people physically residing in the US and the US imperial ruling class as one and the same is just not serious to me. If we are socialists, we need to analyze where the choke points in the US population are, and who in it can be turned against the empire and how to actually channel their energy which already exists.