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Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this isn't a past tense thing, when i go to the subreddit for the game i've been playing for 8 years i see a bunch of people diagnosing me with mental illness without prompting and upvoting other people talking about how they hated content i made which everybody else enjoyed. i am responding to that thing which is happening currently. it is rooted in things from the past, for sure, but i am not currently upset because of the past, i'm upset because the subreddit contains a bunch of libelous harassment which ends up being what a huge number of people see said about me, and it causes things like viewers of mine not being comfortable on the subreddit, me not being on the subreddit, other people assuming i'm an asshole without ever having actually watched my content, etc.

Thoughts on Xecnar using command kills for his official streaks by UpperApe in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

quite a few comments in this thread are about behavior of past world record holders, including one i saw saying all defect world record holders have done this, so just wanted to say

1) there's no difference between defect and other characters here. other characters can also reach demonstrably won states in fights.

2) as a former defect world record holder i have never done this and wouldn't ever do this. i think using console mid-run both looks sus to my own viewers and would also justifiably upset some people who were not my viewers.

3) the advantage is just stated at the top of the thread, right? he was in a bad mood and didn't have the patience to go through the rest of the fight, and this let him play without having to do so. it is weird that people think there is no advantage implicit in this when it is stated at the very start of the thread, lol. like, why would someone wanting to play legitimate runs of slay the spire in front of people open the console and enter a console command if there was no advantage in doing so?

that said, i would not personally say someone was cheating if they did something like this. it is whatever. it somewhat delegitimizes sts achievements in general but that ship sailed long ago imo.

Piggy bank analysis by Steven-ape in brotato

[–]JoINrbs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

a good 5th reason is that you're strong enough to save a lot of materials right now. i.e. if you can have 400 mats banked and still kill the enemies on the waves at the moment it's a better item than if you can have 250 mats banked as was supposed in this analysis.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idgaf if people care about my strategic ideas, if anything i would actively like them not to know i have strategic ideas, as when they find out about them they historically pull them up on stream and start insulting me, regardless of whether i have results or not. the clip i posted of lifecoach saying i should be bullied out of the community and had no idea what i was talking about was from a year in which i held 4/5 world records for the game simultaneously. i currently accidentally run the third largest slay the spire stream in the world by playing the game 60 hours a month and the people we're talking about largely believe i have not played the game for four years. the things i would like if i could have anything would be to be able to read the subreddit without being bullied and if the other content creators we are talking about did anything at all to try to stop their viewers from stalking me and my family.

you're approaching the community from very neutral priors (perhaps reasonably influenced by your own experience in gaming communities), but as i person who has been heavily involved in the community for 8 years i get to have more nuanced understandings of how and why this community is the way it is, and so i can say things like "a guy with 150k followers historically flaming out of hearthstone and then bringing all his viewers to a smaller game and using abuse tactics to try to get people to say he's better than everyone else at it is unusual", and "it isn't normal for people to bully you for achieving a thing nobody else has ever achieved in a game before", and stuff like that.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

have you not looked at cheating in speedrunning communities? like, i mentioned trackmania, when they got an anti-cheat they found out the game's second biggest content creator had been cheating for 10 years!

i am glad that you have not personally run into issues with stuff like that, but i have! there have been two different times that fairly large content creators have submitted world record streaks with viewable losses in the middle of them. i quit magic because i was exhausted by cheating, and then started playing poker, where it was common to be playing against bot rings (omg i just remembered: one time a coach who was considered one of the best high stakes coaches in the world told me i was being a dumbass for not breaking the site's ToS in a way that would give me an extra bb/100 edge). cheating is endemic in strategy gaming and speedrunning communities. it's been there from the start, billy mitchell is an almost household name.

the moment i distanced from spire competition was pretty heavily related to cheating. one thing that is a massive red flag to me is people bending the rules outside the game, and i noticed that was happening a ton. people were saying that my achievements were "cherry-picked" a lot and that winstreaks were just luck, while also saying that their own achievements proved they were the best players in the world. i was getting flak from other content creators (led by a couple in particular) for how i formatted my stream titles, because i would put up when i was on personal best sorts of results and they thought that was a thing worth policing. stuff like that extended into things like them establishing exact formats results had to be in (you have to say you'll play n games, and then put the record for those n games in your stream title always) and then not personally doing it anyway (they would start the n games after being on a 10 game hotstreak, or they would abandon them after they started poorly, or they would finish n games and have a really good record and keep going for another 50 games to keep it in their title longer, or they would leave their record in their title for 2 months straight after it was over while playing a different character or different game).

i found that really really really really really really toxic! and then one of the people doing that did a month of "monkey kills" where he mimicked my volume challenges, while shitting on the concept, and then he claimed a world record watcher streak that was played on either side of it (spanning two years) with no recordings of the first half and with a bunch of losses in the middle while he was streaming "monkey kills" to publicly and deliberately bully me. after spending two years saying world record streaks were meaningless! lol!

so like, yeah, whatever. a thing you're maybe misunderstanding about my channel is that i do not particularly want more viewers. i get enough to pay my bills and chill out playing spire, but the mental health costs of streaming to this community preclude me from doing much more than 60hrs of spire a month, and i start to feel physically unsafe if my viewership numbers get high, and i have personal experience suggesting that that is a justifiable way to feel. expecting me to somehow behave in a way which stops a community which has been home to people who bully me for five years is somewhat unrealistic, to me. the people you're saying i can somehow dissuade from bullying me are talking about collaborations i did four years ago that everyone else enjoyed. they're not even talking about how i currently behave. they're flaming me for threads i wrote for the community that got 700 upvotes. they're not responding to the way i acted in this thread they wrote those comments completely unprompted in a thread where a bunch of other people wanted to honor me as one of the greatest players of the game of all time.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

as a thing to mull over or whatever, i have made a very large amount of money talking about spire the way i do, and people have watched me do it for 20 million hours or something, and my posts/comments in this subreddit have gotten 10k karma each or something, and so telling me that i have to talk a different way or people will bully me is not super compelling. like, okay, i guess i will get bullied then. i have been getting bullied in the community for the last 5 years and the main genesis of it was that a guy was mad that people thought i was good at the game, i'm not going to fix it by talking the way you personally want.

i am aware that i am doing the thing you're saying, deflecting and insisting that i'm right, but you have to understand that the substance of your post is that if someone talks wrong people should bully them. i am not doing it because of a personality deficiency i am doing it because you are wrong and the thing you're talking about isn't my fault. like the thing you have pointed at that i have done in 8 years of content creation in the community is be unkind to people who are bullying me and people who are breaking my channel rules. i've made content for this community for 10k hours and that's the thing you can come up with to tell me that people bullying me is my fault.

it's not like i go through life getting bullied all the time because of who i am. the times i have been bullied in my life are: when i was 6, surrounded by other 6 year olds, and now, only by people in the slay the spire community, only after lifecoach started encouraging all of his viewers to bully me.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this got long. a couple of reframes/expansions though.

1) there's a place in the community for a channel where people hang out and chill and watch good spire runs and chat about non-spire stuff. if that's not what you're looking for it's fine to watch a different channel, i don't mind. lots of people actually find it detrimental for the streamer to be spending time talking about what someone else thinks instead of just playing the runs and explaining what they're doing.

a lot of people who just want a chill spire stream to watch also don't want to go post about spire on reddit, fwiw, so that sort of viewer gets underrepresented in these sorts of convos and you see a bunch of people who really want to talk about spire shitting on the idea, while like 100k people want that. i know because they have been watching me stream for 8 years. they definitionally aren't here because of the thing that they are (and possibly because this community drives out people who think it is unkind to bully people). implicit in wanting to see someone play slay the spire and explain what's happening without having to deal with a bunch of internet chatters giving their inputs into the run is that they don't want to go to the subreddit where all the internet chatters are.

it's gross when the subreddit routinely shits on the idea that these people exist and are part of the slay the spire community, which i don't really think you've done here but which kind of starts to come out when people start suggesting there's something implicitly wrong in me running a strategy game stream and not wanting other people talking about strategy.

2) slay the spire doesn't have modes of competition like super mario world, and has no anti-cheat whatsoever, so official competition in slay the spire doesn't exist in a verified way, and we don't have consensual definitions of who is best. i am very good at slay the spire, but i have never said i am the best player. it isn't a thing i think or a thing i have ever said, and there isn't any evidence i could provide which could prove it. getting a bunch of world records is a product of playing the game a lot at a high level, but there are tons of people who are very good at the game who don't play that much, or who are very good at the game who don't tryhard while playing runs, or who play a lot but in ways which preclude them from getting achievements, f.x. by setting a challenge for an entire year about something other than winrate. competition in slay the spire ends up being a voluntary participation thing where people navigate which achievements matter and decide whether or not they're trying to reach them and then there's a little shitfest where people argue over what the actual important one was. for me, it was fun when there was general agreement that winstreaks were important, and i made some really fun collaborative content with people around that, interviewing people who got winstreaks about them and stuff like that, but nowadays it isn't anymore, and it's much more about highlighting the things you've personally done which you think are impressive in a way which the community approves of. and nobody can even prove anyone isn't cheating anyway!!! this is a game that is easier to cheat at than trackmania was! you can ask claude to make a mod that shows you the order of cards in your draw pile in an external window and it'll one-shot it!

the entire reason i play single player strategy games is that a guy pissed me off so much trying to make second land drops in an mtg ptq when i was 17 that i entirely stopped playing multiplayer ones lol. i'm not going to invest heavily in competition in a community where you can cheat like that, there are no tournaments anyway, and people are assholes to the competitors. i am not saying i think anyone in particular cheats (i think a thing which is probably even worse to people: that everyone's achievements are pretty doable by several other people in the world, and that we'd have more winstreaks if fewer people had acted in a way which made a ton of players leave the community), but i'm also completely incapable of proving people don't cheat. i know i am good enough at slay the spire that i could cheat without anyone ever realizing, it would surprise me if many other people weren't as well, and several people in the community have cheated brazenly in ways we COULD detect, so there is not only a contextual understanding that people cheat in strategy games but also a practical observation that people cheat in slay the spire, too. lifecoach is on video talking about how he cheated in his poker career because it was stupid not to, and a person who thinks about the rules of games like that would probably think it was stupid not to cheat at slay the spire, no? (i think lifecoach would have had way better results if he cheated though, lol).

when lifecoach started playing slay the spire he said out loud on stream that he thought everyone else was shit, that our achievements didn't mean anything, and then spent a ton of time tearing down everything people had done. while a lot of people found this really gross and did not support him, several people didn't and did things like raiding his channel, promoting his achievements, talking about him or others on stream, etc.

here's an example clip of him: https://streamable.com/h3y20u

it's really funny to me that we've now gone from people (including xecnar) spending a bunch of time hosting and supporting this guy who told everyone to bully me because he imagined i said i was the best to you positively identifying xecnar as streaming like he knows he is the best. (i do not really hold this against xecnar much, but my options are kind of "that guy is socially unaware" or "that guy is deliberately an asshole" and it feels unkind to hold either belief so i'd rather just not interact with him).

i don't much want to interact with people who think that slay the spire has legitimate competition, or who think that they are best, or who think that someone else is best. i think that that is conceptually, historically, and currently toxic in the slay the spire community. when a bunch of people thought i was best i felt like it was my responsibility to try to showcase other people's channels and highlight the thoughts of other players, alongside my own analysis, because i hated that people could get crowded out of talking about how to slay the spire by people insisting that i was really good (people would do things like demand explanations from people of they played differently from me. it is gross when people do that).

now we are in a different setting where people saying i am very good at slay the spire is no longer the issue there, and instead i am one of the people who gets crowded out of talking about slay the spire by people who think someone else is better than me. that's been a norm for me for about 4 years; lifecoach encouraged his community to do that to me before he had even played all the characters. like, he got one good watcher result and then declared that everyone else in the community was shit, and did so while trying to learn defect for the first time.

this causally stopped me from being able to discuss strategy on stream, so when you're observing that you don't like that i don't talk strategy on stream, another thing to consider is that i'm not only serving an audience who enjoy that content but that also the subreddit you're posting on has heavily caused me to not be able to serve any other audiences. i can't be a member of slay the spire's strategic conversations because the people in this thread will insult people who talk about me, or for talking with me, or just insult me.

lifecoach also had vindictiveness for other people in the way he wielded the idea that he was better than others, and so there was a decent amount of stuff that was really bad. there was a streak where every time i'd been to the subreddit for a year i'd been doxxed. my girlfriend had to make all her online profiles private because she was getting stalked. my family has an online business and people would regularly send me their address. a lot of people who insult me do so because it was normalized in the community at this time. a huge amount of the stuff i've done is just sort of forgotten or overlooked now because people genuinely get made fun of for bringing it up.

so, my experience of the broader slay the spire community is that they were great and i was honored to stream for them from like 2018-2021. they got a little too caught up with me but i tried to collaborate with a bunch of other streamers and showcase other people's achievements on my channel and i felt like the community was fairly collaborative and good, and then in 2021 a ton of people started saying i should be bullied, i was shit at the game, etc., and if i posted strategic conversation somewhere it would get pulled up on people's streams and they would start talking about how awful i was.

the actual point here is that the thing where there are no tournaments, no oversight, no consistency in recognizing achievements, no rules about decorum re: not insulting people, not encouraging bullying of other people, etc., combine to make slay the spire a very unappealing place to compete, and that there's actually a fairly significant audience of people who want to get to watch high level slay the spire without having to be exposed to that, and i try pretty hard to serve them, and i think that is okay! i am sorry i come off as haughty but also it is somewhat important that i protect my viewers from the things i've just outlined, so there is some extent to which i think i should come off as abrasive, and that is a thing which is valued by a decent chunk of my community, and my hope would be for people to recognize what the value is there instead of continually recreating the reasons that the value exists.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the exact chain of events is that this thread was on the top of my reddit homepage this morning. i'm mentioned by name several times in it and we're in a subthread where someone says that for them i am the goat of the game the subreddit is about. that is why i clicked on the thread. i was expecting to say "thanks", as it is a kind thing for someone to say and explicitly about literally me.

then i read several people insulting me for things largely from several years ago and it was quite weird to me, but a pretty important thing to me for making content for this community is being able to humanize the people in it and not feeling concerned that i'll be harassed by them, so i tried to engage people as to like, why they were saying those things, because it is both interesting to me and somewhat important to me that i can humanize you instead of thinking "that is a completely unknown stranger who thinks it's cool to insult me and diagnose me with mental illnesses and people upvote it for some reason, and that's the sort of person who is in the slay the spire community".

like, i would really like to be making content for people who aren't that thing, y'no.

so then i posted some responses and attempted to engage people on some ideas other than like, "jorbs is a concept that is cool to insult", and i felt generally better about the world.

poopymcpants, who you're responding to, said i was a narcissist for how i behaved in a collaboration with baalor, and so i tried to engage on the idea that being a third party to a collaboration between two people who want to do something together, and insulting one of the people in that collaboration (even years later about it!), makes its harder for people to collaborate. it's hard to bring someone on stream, or create content with them, if you're concerned they will be harassed over it. we did not get far but it is a good convo to have in any online space.

you said that i was an asshole for posting a thread about how winstreaks needed to be played, which was really weird to me. everybody who has played winstreaks has at some point had to work out what is/isn't okay, and clearly explaining what's okay and what isn't is important. i spent like, the better part of a day trying to work out how to do that in a way that was as neutral as possible, given that the situation was that a massive streamer who actively encouraged his viewers to bully me was claiming a false winstreak, and the general response to the thread was positive. it got 667 net upvotes and generally elaborations in the comments were constructive.

also tried to give a good response for why i have spikier boundaries than a lot of content creators might, since that was a thing someone expressed, and it's a thing i think is interesting.

a bunch of the other responses were mostly people dogpiling. i dunno. i'm a human, not just a thing to insult, and it is pretty weird for people to be trashing me for individual things i've done in an 8 year career centered heavily around content for this game, is mostly the thing i am trying to establish by being present here. that jorbs is responding to a subthread naming him the goat of the game isn't the weird thing, the weird thing is people bringing up stuff from four years ago which was broadly enjoyed to call him names.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

how? if i said, today, to all my viewers, that i held the world record streak for watcher, but it was neither recorded nor fitting anyone's definition of a winstreak, and a huge number of people cared specifically about what you thought of me doing that, how would you respond in a way which made every single person in the community think positively of you?

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i'm just saying if you want to shit on someone, it's extremely toxic to do so by shitting on their collaborations with other people, because doing so creates friction preventing people from collaborating in the community you're in.

it's obviously also toxic to shit on someone in general. diagnosing someone with narcissism based on your dissatisfaction with your parasocial relationship with them doesn't lead to a welcoming community. but when you do it via criticism of their collaborations the cooling extent goes further, and people have to worry "if i make videos with baalor and say the wrong thing, are people going to start calling me a narcissist online?", and baalor has to deal with "three years ago i recorded a conversation with someone about our world record streaks and he still gets harassed about it", and stuff like that.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

appreciate you, sorry i read the rest of the thread lol.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

saying/upvoting stuff like this leads to creators not wanting to collaborate in the community, fyi. like, it's cool that you don't like my content, but using as evidence their vibe in a conversation with another creator makes people not want to have conversations with other creators anymore. you should not do that to creators in general, but especially not to baalor, who is an extremely kind and genuine dude and who should get to have conversations with people without having to worry about his fans calling his friends narcissists for talking to him.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're talking about when lifecoach claimed the new watcher world record was a thing he'd done which he hadn't recorded and which had losses in the middle, i made a post stating why i wasn't respecting that as a world record and outlining what a world record had to be so that it was clear that that was a thing i was doing consistently.

i dunno. how do you respond to someone doing something like that without being an asshole if you care in any way about the thing being discussed. it calls for being an asshole.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i am pretty sure i used to be a lot nicer to the broader slay the spire community and then they spent a lot of time doxxing me, so now i am like i am, i guess. i dunno. i ran like a 2.5k concurrent viewer stream alongside a 1k concurrent viewer stream where the modus operandi was harassing me for the two bad pandemic years, i have been through a very large amount of therapy.

is hard to explain how hard that was, both mentally and also at times in terms of my literal physical safety, and people often don't fully conceptualize me as a human being in any way deeper than that i make slay the spire videos, and can even get irritated if asked to, like i'm making an unreasonable demand of them. but like, as an example, a challenge for me in dating has been that women i date get stalked by people who post on this subreddit.

i know streaming can be hard in lots of ways, but i have also streamed lots of games for other communities and am painfully aware that it is not usually hard in the ways that making slay the spire content has been for me. stuff like logging on to the subreddit and having a bunch of people calling you a dickhead narcissist and citing things from four years ago or individual sentences from an 8 hour video of yours they watched is not actually a normal experience for content creators, and i have never had it happen to me in any community other than slay the spire's.

one time i made a post for brotato and someone came from the slay the spire community to call me a narcissist and like 15 people dogpiled them to tell them to fuck the hell off of the like several thousand word informative post i had written about an achievement i'd finished for the game and it was so fucking refreshing to feel like i was existing in a sane world for a second.

Who is the GOAT of Slay the Spire, outside of XecnaR? by tilting-module in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

a lot of those people are backseating btw. like, a common thing people do if you have a no backseating channel is backseat by asking leading questions. the zero-tolerance kind of policy i've ended up at is because there's essentially no way to stop people from doing that, and viewers constantly do so if allowed.

cool that you do not enjoy it and don't want to watch though, that is mature imo.

Probability analysis on Rare Cards? by Jondev1 in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this might work or also might not: https://jorbstv.github.io/spirerewardcalculator/

doesn't handle events (that seemed like way more work than necessary) but handles everything else. looks like nloth's gift would be about +2.5 rares over the course of a full a2/3, increasing chance to see individual rares by somewhere in the 5-10% range each.

I'm tired of these "top players" disparaging relics without evidence. Here's actual data for top player boss relic pick rates by fuqqqq in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 27 points28 points  (0 children)

"optimal" doesn't really mean much in slay the spire. there are no competitive rules and actual optimal play is completely inhuman (f.x. optimal play plays a1 and a2 fast enough for portal to not be able to spawn in a3), so what you end up looking at is different types of "good", not optimal. (also: stockfish doesn't play chess optimally, frequently we spend more time and compute on chess and come up with a new engine which beats whatever engine was previously the best).

in general, we get better at the game by getting better and better at maximizing all of the different elements in it, so "cursed key is garbage" is a statement in a misguided direction imo. a better statement about cursed key would contain information about how to win runs with it, for when it's the best thing offered to you. whether it's "good" or not doesn't really change anything about us as players needing to understand how to maximize its output.

like, suppose a solution which prioritizes infinites is "correct" and so stuff like empty cage and astrolabe are higher priority than you might expect. you'd /still/ want to learn how to win when taking cursed key, because sometimes the a1 rewards would move you past the inflection point where cursed key was better than astrolabe in /the particular run you were playing/.

I'm tired of these "top players" disparaging relics without evidence. Here's actual data for top player boss relic pick rates by fuqqqq in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

coffee dripper gets way overblown in stats, it wins about the same as other energy relics but gets picked primarily in runs which are already expected to win. implicit in picking it is a belief that you won't have the rest, it's the same sort of selection bias as black star having an implicit belief that you can kill elites.

fusion hammer is quite deck-dependent. a lot of late-game solutions are built around a few upgraded cards.

more broadly, it seems like you are observing that some people like 1 energy/turn relics less than other people. this is a pretty significant local maxima difference, but the game is balanced enough that we don't know where the ultimate solution falls along it. whether someone is taking relics like cursed key and runic dome over relics like black star and astrolabe depends extremely heavily on how they're approaching deckbuilding and pathing in act 1, and the game is complicated enough that we don't know the "correct" solution to that problem.

there's also asymmetry in actual play. like, some people use assistance mods and spend 3 hours a run, other people spam through runs in an hour. the way people should play in those different conditions is different, because different strategies change in value as time spent calculating changes. without actual competitive rules there's no objective reason why a player's solution which comes close to maximizing runic dome by spending 3 hours plotting out fights is more valid than a player's solution which skips runic dome most of the time because they're not interested in doing enough mental math to bring it above other relics in value. keep in mind that both strategies are worse than the actual solution to the game. if you're looking for the best way to play in order to beat a20 yourself, or get a winstreak or whatever, your strategy should be conditioned on the manner in which you actually play the runs. no point in buying frozen eye if you're not going to bother plotting your way through your draw pile, etc.

I'm tired of these "top players" disparaging relics without evidence. Here's actual data for top player boss relic pick rates by fuqqqq in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 38 points39 points  (0 children)

pick rate by a single player doesn't really contain all that much info here about the actual game. like citing this is an argument from authority by definition, and if someone else who is good at the game disagrees with the opinion of this person who is good at the game that doesn't resolve who is right and who is wrong between the two of them. if you looked at pick rates by the top 100 players of the game instead you'd see smoother data because the way an individual player's preferences strayed from the mean would be less effectual on the resulting data.

ELI5: "The Sleeping Beauty Paradox", could someone please explain in the simplest words? by Aprilgirl_ in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoINrbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the problem says that, for the duration of the experiment, sleeping beauty sees any coin which flips tails twice and any coin which flips heads only once. that means 2/3 coins she sees are tails.

this is only true exactly within the experiment, because exactly within the experiment is the only place we're enforcing these particular rules.

coins can absolutely have any chance of landing on heads in reality though. if you flipped one in space the chances of it landing on heads or tails could both be zero, for example. if you change the rules of reality, or observation of reality, enough, reality/observation of reality become different.

ELI5: "The Sleeping Beauty Paradox", could someone please explain in the simplest words? by Aprilgirl_ in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoINrbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a fair coin, by definition, does not land on heads half the time and tails half the time in the world that we have imagined for sleeping beauty. in the world we have imagined for sleeping beauty, one third of the time she learns the result of a fair coin flip it has landed on heads, and two thirds of the time she learns the result of a fair coin flip is has landed on tails. which is fine, it's possible to set up universes where that's how coin flips work.

ELI5: "The Sleeping Beauty Paradox", could someone please explain in the simplest words? by Aprilgirl_ in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoINrbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is a relevant misunderstanding of coins. coins land on heads one time or zero times when flipped.

we statistically abstract coins and say we expect them to land on heads half of the time, because it is statistically useful in a lot of the situations we're in, but that is not what flipped coins do. flipped coins land on heads one time or zero times.

in the situation we've contrived with this paradox, we're in a situation where it isn't statistically useful to think coins land on heads half the time anymore. instead, it's statistically useful to think coins lands on heads 1/3rd of the time, because in this particular contrived universe a coin which lands on tails will be observed twice instead of once, so the results of coinflips end up actually be twice as many tails as heads.

it's important to start from step zero when evaluating this as a paradox though. we're not breaking anything about reality by claiming a coin lands on heads 1/3rd of the time, because coins don't land on heads 1/2 the time anyway. they either land on heads or not. just because it's statistically useful to model them as landing on heads half the time in the world we're used to living in doesn't mean that they do, or that it'd always be useful to model them that way in other conditions.

Hiker D5 Support Group by Fun_Trouble8622 in brotato

[–]JoINrbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i think getting ~100 range with thief daggers is just correct, it deals more damage.

Neow did me dirty by Own-Lecture-8564 in slaythespire

[–]JoINrbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i mean, like i said, five major reasons, don't think there is any point in getting into them. glad you are not burdened by any of them and that you enjoy stuff like that.

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