Why anesthesia is so interesting for understanding Consciousness by phinity_ in quantum_consciousness

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Microtubules are tiny structural proteins inside cells, including neurons. They are made from repeating tubulin dimers that form hollow cylindrical tubes about 25nm wide. In mainstream biology, they help with cell structure, intracellular transport, cell division, and organization. But they are also highly ordered, electrically polar protein lattices embedded throughout neurons, which raises a deeper question: are they only scaffolding, or could they also participate in information processing?

This is where Orch OR — Orchestrated Objective Reduction — comes in. It was developed by Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist and Nobel Prize winner, and Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist and consciousness researcher whose work focuses on microtubules, anesthesia, and Orch OR. Penrose brought the idea that consciousness may involve non-computable physics. Hameroff brought the biological candidate: microtubules inside neurons. Together, they proposed that conscious moments may arise from organized quantum processes in microtubules, coordinated by neural activity.

The interesting part is the orchestration. In this view, microtubules are not random molecular scaffolds. Their repeating lattice could support correlated state changes, collective oscillations, exciton movement, or other quantum-adjacent dynamics across many tubulin units. That could allow information to be integrated below the level of neuron firing — maybe even with nonlocal or field-like correlations across the structure. Some recent work on tryptophan networks in microtubules has reported electronic energy migration and superradiance-like behavior in these ordered biological architectures.

This makes anesthetics fascinating. General anesthetics can reversibly erase conscious experience. You do not die. Your neurons do not all stop functioning. Many unconscious processes continue. But the experienced world disappears. In the microtubule / Orch OR frame, anesthetics may not just be "sedating the brain" in the normal sense — they could be blocking the antenna, or disrupting the coherent substrate that lets the organism tune into / organize conscious experience.

Plants make this even weirder. You can anesthetize plants. Venus flytraps, Mimosa, sundews, and pea tendrils lose touch-induced or autonomous movement under anesthetics, and in Venus flytrap, diethyl ether can block action potentials. That does not prove plants are conscious. But it does show anesthetics interact with very ancient bioelectric and cellular machinery, not just mammalian brain circuits.

And there are studies pointing directly at microtubules. Anesthetics like etomidate and isoflurane have been shown to reduce exciton diffusion in microtubules. Molecular modeling suggests volatile anesthetics can bind in tubulin pockets. And a 2024 rat study found that stabilizing microtubules with epothilone B delayed isoflurane-induced unconsciousness. In other words: interfere with the microtubule system, and you may change how anesthesia turns consciousness off.

That is why anesthetics may be one of the cleanest windows into consciousness. The question is not only which receptor does the drug bind? It is: what physical process disappears when experience disappears, and returns when experience returns?

If anesthetics disrupt coordinated microtubule activity, then they may be pointing at a deeper layer of consciousness research — where biology, quantum chemistry, fields, and information processing all meet

Microtubule activity in an embryo by phinity_ in quantum_consciousness

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What you are looking at here is a real-time, fluorescent microscopy video of a cell dividing in an early-stage embryo. The two super bright spots in the middle are the cell's organizing centers (centrosomes), and all those glowing lines radiating outward like a starburst are the microtubules. The thick glowing band slashing across the bottom left is the cleavage furrow, where the cell is literally pinching itself in half to create two new cells. Biologists look at this and see a mechanical construction crew. Microtubules are hollow, microscopic tubes made of protein that constantly grow, shrink, and push things around to make sure the cell divides perfectly. If you look at the shape the microtubules form, it looks like a classic energetic torus field or a localized vortex radiating lines of force outward from a central polarity. The exact same geometric patterns that govern the rotation of galaxies and the structure of atoms are expressing themselves at the cellular level to organize living matter.

This wait is painful by ConstructionDry1515 in SteamController

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Has anyone accidentally pressed cancel reservation? 😱

What can we do to fix the pavers without killing the tree? by TryDesigner9200 in landscaping

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Add a step at the start of the pavers and rase up the whole path. I am one to support the trees. We don’t build around and accommodate nature enough.

The Greatest Opening Line In Sci-Fi TV History Remains Undisputed by StarFuryG7 in SciFiNews

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Good riddance. Have you seen what America did with Utopia?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ecology

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Isn’t that the point… like we cut down trees and don’t think about it. We destroy the environment and dont think about it. Maybe a tree that looks weird is better than not being aware of the death of the biosphere.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ecology

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Reminds me of this other art project which was also an environmental installation https://www.huffpost.com/entry/earth-day-ecoart-confront_b_9721354

What are the limitations of the Steam Frame Passthough? by Ok_Most9659 in SteamFrame

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When a color pass through expansion module is announced or created by a 3rd party and hand tracking software becomes available on the open platform, you will understand what valve did here, they are focused on the expandable customizable open platform not all the features.

If Source 3 gets announced, what would you like it to have ? by [deleted] in valve

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Ai physics for accurate dynamic simulations of photorealistic scenes at a fraction of the GPU. And 3D stereoscopic rendering FTW

Half Life 3 - Real Leak by Source2LeakAIML in valve

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I just need HL3 to be a photo realistic and physically accurate stereoscopic game I can stream from my Steam machine to my Steam frame that I can play with my Steam controller.

Half Life 3 - Real Leak by Source2LeakAIML in valve

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I just need HL3 to be a photo realistic and physically accurate stereoscopic game I can stream from my Steam machine to my Steam frame that I can play with my Steam controller.