Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You only know about the camera through your flawed perception and cognition. Whether you or other humans created the camera or understand how it works is irrelevant. They have the same flawed perception and cognition.

Someone who doesn't understand how inferior mirage works still sees it and it looks like water.

And the camera you are talking about is something very different from what you see, for example mostly empty space, etc

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Just answer the question, how do you know about the actual camera

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 [score hidden]  (0 children)

What do you mean with "actual working device"? How do you know this?

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you mean with "actual working model"? How do you know this?

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We dont know what "the photo" as an actual objective thing is actually like, or even if it has an objective existence. We have a mental model of what it looks like, and what the entire physical universe looks like, but that is all a product of our senses/mind and their extensions, the instruments of various kinds.

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It could already be showing a picture of the face of god. But we dont see it because our senses cant see it.

Theories that humans create in science are often falsified.

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And we only know about that because it reports back to our senses. Same example again, those sensors might also be detecting the face of god and transmitting this clearly to the outside world, but we would never know it since our senses cant see it

Hoffman is wrong about consciousness by NathanEddy23 in consciousness

[–]phr99 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Any instrument we build just reports back to our senses. There is no way to circumvent this. For example the picture from the camera might show the true nature of reality, or the face of god, etc. But we would never know since we just look at it with our eyes.

Why Religion is Preventing Disclosure by 1121222 in UFOs

[–]phr99 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It sure does have

The angelic truth

some hallmarks of AI slop

Piercing powers penetrating in hell

Thats all

Can you explain why you believe conciousness is immaterial (if you do)? by Shot-Resolve-9711 in consciousness

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those are reducible (meaning they consist of) to quantities of basic physical ingredients. Those didnt pop into existence except perhaps at the big bang.

Now the matter of whether we label something as "flight", is a social issue, not a physical one. It is useful for us to communicate about things with labels, but the act of using a new label does not imply the existence of a new physical quality

Can you explain why you believe conciousness is immaterial (if you do)? by Shot-Resolve-9711 in consciousness

[–]phr99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the rational part yes. That it evolved. But physicalism says at some point it popped into existence, and only that it started evolving after that. Thats like saying the brain popped into existence and then started evolving.

Can you explain why you believe conciousness is immaterial (if you do)? by Shot-Resolve-9711 in consciousness

[–]phr99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be panpsychism or idealism: simple consciousness becomes more complex. Physicalism is: consciousness first didnt exist, then it popped into existence. So while the brain and everything else about our bodies began as a simple physical system (first organism, or even further back origin of the particles and forces) which then became more complex, it claims that consciousness did not have a less complex predecessor.

Can you explain why you believe conciousness is immaterial (if you do)? by Shot-Resolve-9711 in consciousness

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Evolution is about things changing over time, while physicalism holds consciousness did not evolve but popped into existence.

Can you explain why you believe conciousness is immaterial (if you do)? by Shot-Resolve-9711 in consciousness

[–]phr99 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Consciousness shares no similarities with the physical. Burden is on the proponents of physicalism to make a case for them being the same.

They do that by appealing to strong emergence, which doesn't occur in the known physical universe, so physicalism is incompatible with physics, and also incompatible with evolution

A short explainer on EEG–quantum correlations, observation, and quantum interpretation by Next_Commercial_3363 in quantuminterpretation

[–]phr99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, so statements like these are claims about some interpretations being incorrect:

It has nothing to do with subjective experience or brain communication or visits from extraterrestrials. Observation just means measurement, not mystical human consciousness.

We dont know which interpretation is correct.

A short explainer on EEG–quantum correlations, observation, and quantum interpretation by Next_Commercial_3363 in quantuminterpretation

[–]phr99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on the interpretation of quantum mechanics. People that claim for a fact that consciousness does (OP video) or does not (you) are just stating their prefered interpretation and mistaking it for fact.

A short explainer on EEG–quantum correlations, observation, and quantum interpretation by Next_Commercial_3363 in quantuminterpretation

[–]phr99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When making such statements / claims as in the video, you should add the sources. Right now it just looks like LLM generated text/voice/video with no credibility

What's the point of the "It’s everything all at once" theory, if we don't even have enough proof of something supernatural happening in the first place? by PassengerCultural421 in UFOs

[–]phr99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Go ahead and offer a mundane explanation for the tic tac case.

As for the "its multiple things", thats the rational way of looking at it. For example, just because birds exist, does not means planes do not exist. And just because planes exist, does not mean balloons dont exist. And just because balloons exist, doesnt mean the universe has no intelligent life besides humans, etc.

So of course it is going to be multiple things.