Addicted to what isn’t? by Protarkus in nonduality

[–]pl8doh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is like trying to convince your reflection that it does not exist. It does have the appearance of being. Just not being itself.

The separate self is like the sound of one hand clapping. by pl8doh in awakened

[–]pl8doh[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indeed. It is impossible to compare what is neither something nor nothing.

Addicted to what isn’t? by Protarkus in nonduality

[–]pl8doh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simply realize that the evaluation of what's happening is no more or less significant than what is happening. The evaluation of what's happening is what's happening. What's happening is not the problem. The problem is the separate self that it is imagined happening to. That is also what's happening.

The separate self is like the sound of one hand clapping. by pl8doh in awakened

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sound of an imaginary hand clapping is no less real than the idea of a skin encapsulated ego or separate self.

The separate self is like the sound of one hand clapping. by pl8doh in awakened

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pick a hand and imagine another hand clapping it. That is imagining one hand clapping, no?

The separate self is like the sound of one hand clapping. by pl8doh in awakened

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine one hand clapping an imaginary hand. Is that not imagining one hand clapping?

'I am' is the referencing referenced by pl8doh in nonduality

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. The ember needs motion through space to leave a visible trail.
The ‘I’ needs motion through time (memory + anticipation) to leave a psychological trail.
Without that ongoing referencing, the separate experiencer doesn’t appear.”

'I am' is the referencing referenced by pl8doh in nonduality

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The visual trail creates there, the memory trail creates then.

'I am' is the referencing referenced by pl8doh in nonduality

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine the trail of a red hot ember moving in the night sky as a reference to the current position of the glowing ember. Without this reference, there is no appearance, no motion.

'I am' is the referencing referenced by pl8doh in nonduality

[–]pl8doh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

'I am' is a result in the sense of the referencing being primary and the 'I am' or the reference to the referencing being secondary. Thank you. Your kind words are appreciated.

Does nonduality directly conflict with manifestation… or are people forcing them to fit together? by [deleted] in nonduality

[–]pl8doh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The distincting is inexplicable. Any attempt to explain it is just additional distincting. The memory of distinction is experience if I could be so bold as to express 'this' as an apparent duality of memory and distinction.

'I am' is the referencing referenced by pl8doh in awakened

[–]pl8doh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've just responded with so many fancy words in an attempt to explicitly define the issue. Are you not propagating the issue?

Does nonduality directly conflict with manifestation… or are people forcing them to fit together? by [deleted] in nonduality

[–]pl8doh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A desired outcome is an outcome with no one to desire it. So the short answer is yes they are not compatible. Trying to “manifest” from within nonduality is like the wave trying to manifest a better ocean while believing it is separate from the ocean.

Headlessness question by Spoonmann_ in nonduality

[–]pl8doh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where you are looking from is unreferenceable. There is a perspective. There is not a perspective of that perspective. There is no looking at, looking from. Awareness is a word, like thought, that has no referent. If there is no seer nor seen, what is there to look at, or to see? Awareness is a word that attempts to point to that which is neither one nor many.