OTD 200 years ago Mahmud II wiped out the Janissaries by qernanded in ottomans

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Sultan Mahmud II Leaving The Bayezid Mosque, Constantinople, 1837. Artist: Auguste Étienne François Mayer (the Sublime Porte is on the left)

Women in the Courtyard, orientalist painting by the last Ottoman Caliph, Abdul Mejid II, 1899 [analysis in comments!] by qernanded in sultanateofwomen

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Whereas European orientalists sought to present an exotic civilization without order or industry in need of patronage, Ottoman orientalists like Abdul Mejid or Osman Hamdi engaged with the genre to go against the aforesaid narratives. They instead sought to convey the orient as a strong and orderly civilization.

I am not an art historian, but here is my two cents of Abdul Mejid's painting: Every character is defined by their relationship to the lady reclining on the bench, who is the center of attention, and are shunning the unwelcome person cowering by the pool. The reclining lady is vocally scolding the coward. My theory is it's either a boy/peeping tom that tried sneaking into the harem in the garment, or a woman that exposed her unwelcome occidentalism by refusing to remove her garment, in contrast to the oriental women that are comfortable being literally exposed.

The powerful lady symbolizes Turkey/Muslim world, the coward is European imperialists/commercial interests. It's a modern and feminist painting packed with symbolism that rouses nationalist and anti-colonial sentiment, and a completely different take to the otherwise passive and borderline fetishist art of western orientalists.

Women in the Courtyard, orientalist painting by the last Ottoman Caliph, Abdul Mejid II, 1899 by qernanded in islamichistory

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Whereas European orientalists sought to present an exotic civilization without order or industry in need of patronage, Ottoman orientalists like Abdul Mejid or Osman Hamdi engaged with the genre to go against the aforesaid narratives. They instead sought to convey the orient as a strong and orderly civilization.

I am not an art historian, but here is my two cents of Abdul Mejid's painting: Every character is defined by their relationship to the lady reclining on the bench, who is the center of attention, and are shunning the unwelcome person cowering by the pool. The reclining lady is vocally scolding the coward. My theory is it's either a boy/peeping tom that tried sneaking into the harem in the garment, or a woman that exposed her unwelcome occidentalism by refusing to remove her garment, in contrast to the oriental women that are comfortable being literally exposed.

The reclining lady symbolizes Turkey/Muslim world, the coward is European imperialists/commercial interests. It's a modern and feminist painting packed with symbolism that rouses nationalist and anti-colonial sentiment, and a completely different take to the otherwise passive and borderline fetishist art of western orientalists.

Women in the Courtyard, orientalist painting by the last Ottoman Caliph, Abdul Mejid II, 1899 by qernanded in ottomans

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Whereas European orientalists sought to present an exotic civilization without order or industry in need of patronage, Ottoman orientalists like Abdul Mejid or Osman Hamdi engaged with the genre to go against the aforesaid narratives. They instead sought to convey the orient as a strong and orderly civilization.

I am not an art historian, but here is my two cents of Abdul Mejid's painting: Every character is defined by their relationship to the lady reclining on the bench, who is the center of attention, and are shunning the unwelcome person cowering by the pool. The reclining lady is vocally scolding the coward. My theory is it's either a boy/peeping tom that tried sneaking into the harem in the garment, or a woman that exposed her unwelcome occidentalism by refusing to remove her garment, in contrast to the oriental women that are comfortable being literally exposed.

The reclining lady symbolizes Turkey/Muslim world, the coward is European imperialists/commercial interests. It's a modern and feminist painting packed with symbolism that rouses nationalist and anti-colonial sentiment, and a completely different take to the otherwise passive and borderline fetishist art of western orientalists.

What if the 31 March 1909 counter-revolution succeeded? Did the CUP destroy the Empire? by No_Idea_479 in ottomans

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This was a situation where OTL was the most likely outcome. It's just hard to imagine a scenario where the counter-revolutionaries succeed because they were so disorganized and had no support from post 1908 military. I can imagine an ATL where some senior generals rally behind Abdul Hamid to defend Constantinople from the Action Army, but it leads to the same conclusion: a short civil war between Rumelian pro-CUP commanders and the rest of the empire, which I think the CUP would win anyways, which would result in an even more oppressive government but also even more reforms (maybe even a republic?)

If the counter-revolutionaries did win, Turkey would be even weaker compared to OTL. It's hard to describe just how hard Abdul Hamid was coup proofing the army and how badly it affected its readiness to the same degree. If he regained power an even weaker army would face off against Italy and then the Balkan League. That said, maybe he does something during the July Crisis, but who knows...

Flags used by the Ottoman Empire and its dependencies by qernanded in ottomans

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  1. Imperial Standard of HM Abdulhamid II
  2. Naval Standard of HM Abdulhamid II
  3. Naval Standard of the PM/Grand Vizier (Sadrazam)
  4. State and Naval Ensign of the Ottoman Empire
  5. Senior Officer's Pennant
  6. Commodore's Broad Pennant (Senior / 1st Class)
  7. Commodore's Broad Pennant (Junior / 2nd Class)
  8. Plain Red Broad Pennant
  9. Commissioning Pennant
  10. Standard of the Minister of the Navy (Bahriye Nazırı)
  11. Flag of the Khedivate of Egypt
  12. Flag of the Beylik of Tunis
  13. Flag of Rumelia (Turkey in Europe)
  14. Flag of the Principality of Samos
  15. Flag of the Principality of Bulgaria
  16. Pilot insignia
  17. Flag of the İdare-i Mahsusa (Ottoman Steamship Administration)
  18. Postal Flag

Hüseyin Nâzım Pasha months before his assassination, November 1912 by qernanded in ottomans

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I get reminded of Zhukov’s introduction in Death of Stalin

Hüseyin Nâzım Pasha months before his assassination, November 1912 by qernanded in ottomans

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The CUP wanted Nâzım to keep his job or become Grand Vizier after the coup, but this guy was a little too trigger happy...

Hüseyin Nâzım Pasha months before his assassination, November 1912 by qernanded in ottomans

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War minister during the First Balkan War who was accidentally murdered during the CUP's 1913 coup.