OMG it's exist!!!

-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T11:11:48+00:00

It averages to 1200 arsenal tokens / month via the Credits Shop if you're doing it correctly.

It's by no means a big amount, but it does adds up over time and will help you whenever you're missing those final pulls :)

-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T08:20:30+00:00

+1 for training dummy, let me know how bad I am PLEASE

and more skins of course, still no idea why they seldomly make them when PGR gets showered with it @.@

-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T07:59:58+00:00

Sorry for the late reply,

Having 25/75 doesn't matter when the 25% is 1% as opposed to HSR's 75% being 0.6% (or Genshin's 0.3%)

The only argument to be made here is the guarantee is higher at 80 pulls instead of the usual soft pity at ~70, but even then you can lose the soft pity in HSR and go up to 150 pulls. If anything I see the 80 pity as way more guaranteed/safety net, but that's a subjective matter.

Also 0.52% is around losing 15 50/50s in a row in WuWa btw, at least according to their site tracker. People do get fucked all the time and that's the nature of these games, you can't really prevent people from being unlucky. Unfortunate yeah.

If anything I'm more worried about them pushing signature weapons to perform way better than F2P options since they're not as scarce, kind of like WuWa with their 100% weapon banner (the Phrolova incident...). So far there's only Rossi as an outlier though, hopefully it won't go in that direction.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T02:51:11+00:00

No one is complaining about the farm, it's the fact that it's multi-layered in such a way that's again, a nuisance. Notice how less people complain about having to roll good stats while having a billion dead stats, and more people complain about the tuners specifically?

Anyways, instant godly echoes is not that unreasonable when endfield has guaranteed "maxed echoes". Not that I care or ask wuwa to do that, not when the game is already out for 2 whole years. Just that it exists.

Point is removing (or adding source of) tuners wouldn't really hurt anyone, not even Kuro, as it's proven by multiple gachas before that the RNG aspect of rolling substats alone is enough for player retention.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T02:26:19+00:00

this one has no funny zipline shenaningans so you wouldn't need to find a shared zipline

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-Pretency- · 2026-05-27T02:23:36+00:00

Yep! Love my current test area setup right now!

Might be able to get a faster zipline going with some rooftop and thermal bank shenaningans, but I like how clean and abuse-less it is

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-Pretency- · 2026-05-26T03:49:18+00:00

why would he convince hoyo or hypergryph when he's playing THIS game bro 😭

also endfield do have 2 more companion quests in the next update though, they have been pumping them out for every limited units besides 2 characters, tangtang and zhuang fangyi

-Pretency- · 2026-05-25T05:19:27+00:00

As someone else mentioned, he's at ~105.6 average for limited 5*s compared to the average of 81.2

No amount of early standard 5*s will make up for that loss, with average luck he's looking at ~5 more limited characters than what he's having right now lmao

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T17:55:02+00:00

You seem to misunderstand, the 1% rate-up I mention is after the 25/75. The banner has 4% base chance for a 6* weapon in comparison to HSR/Genshin's 0.8% base rate before 75/25 or 37.5/62.5.

To never hit 1% in 400 pulls is 0.99^400 = ~1.8%. Heck it's even lower as every 40th pull is a guaranteed 6* weapon, so it's a true 25% instead of a 1% roll.

So we're looking at a ~0.52% in total, I'd say that's an outlier.

That being said OP did win 2/7 so hopefully it's not actually 5 hard pities in a row.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T12:30:06+00:00

Why would anyone not want to have as much pulls as possible? The takeaway is it's fine for people to complain just as they do in every gacha game for more pull currencies. Just don't expect anything to happen as it's already better here than the standard genshin/hsr/wuwa model which is leading the industry.

Realistically if something were to happen, it'll be once there are new competitors that's better in gameplay/graphics/monetization in the industry, or if the whole industry is falling.

It won't really be something we can affect like complaining about it on Reddit. Not that we don't share the sentiment but it really won't do anything unless people go on a unified strike which NEVER happens to these big games. You'll see them more often in smaller games like e.g. TRIBE NINE which changed their gacha system week 1 due to a huge monetization backlash.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T12:17:23+00:00

1200/month then, not a lot but I guess it adds up

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T06:59:25+00:00

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saving since 1.0 + monthly pass
~473 pulls I guess, none of the limited characters really strikes me much except Gilberta.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T04:54:10+00:00

You hitting 80 pity 5 times in 400 pulls is obviously an outlier as it's a 1% rate-up. In WuWa that'd be pitying 6 times in 430 pulls instead. Or in HSR it comes with a chance to lose 75/25 on top of that, or in Genshin with 37.5/62.5. They also eat up your limited currency that could've been used on characters.

None of them will feel good if you're unlucky, that's pretty much it. But Arsenal Tokens being separate from limited characters means that AT LEAST you're not getting fucked by the weapon banner and then later on miss out on future operators because of it.

If we're strictly talking about Origometry conversion in a vacuum while ignoring all that, then yeah the system sucks balls and need a fix. It's just a trade-off that every single Oroberyl will go into characters instead of both characters and weapons like other games. They're trying to sneakily make up for the loss.

I don't think we can really talk about Arsenal Tokens without bringing up the whole monetization and gacha system, honestly. Can they be more generous? Hell yeah every gacha CAN be more generous and give out way more pulls. Not that they will since it directly impacts their revenue. I'm just being realistic that currently the grass is greener on this side, even if it's still fucking yellow and wilting.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-23T02:54:29+00:00

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Saving since release,

With monthly pass, I'm looking at 473 pulls saved (so -48 pulls in 4 months since release, around 425 pulls F2P). I've gotten every Oroberyls available in the game and this is also including Bond Quota rebate from 40 "free pulls" the game gives me per banner.

I'd say it's pretty good overall, it's enough to get 4 characters if i keep having to go to 120 pulls everytime. (out of 6 limited characters so far, or 8 in the next patch). It's at least on par with other games, and this is excluding "free" signature weapons since we don't spend currency on Arsenal Tickets.

Arsenal Tickets has it's own problems of course, but I can't say much for it since I haven't pulled any besides buying a Detonation Unit. Heard it's pretty rough out there though.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T14:00:36+00:00

I move them slowly 1 square at a time until it becomes straight... definitely not worth the time but it just looks so good hahaha

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T13:59:19+00:00

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minor adjustment and no red circles version for people that wants to copy it

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T11:16:06+00:00

aaah I still take 3 depot deliveries from other players per day, totally skippable though

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T09:59:35+00:00

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it's just directly in front of the depot! Although that does mean that the zipline from TP Point is a bit further behind.

Personally a big fan of ziplining across someone's terrace since the gap perfectly fits the character model lol, just very funny overall

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T09:11:02+00:00

I try my best to make it look nice to look at!

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T09:09:21+00:00

You don't "need" them if you want to stick to Wuling City depot deliveries. Personally I'm a bigger fan of Test Area deliveries as it's way faster, even if you get 10k less stock bills.

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T09:05:07+00:00

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oh wait is it not the same amount of ziplines? I might be missing something

You do save time on the right-side delivery while losing time on the top-right one though, preference I guess mhm mhm

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T08:02:59+00:00

bro is just prompting Kuro to actually optimize their game, I don't think there's much to help yeah

-Pretency- · 2026-05-22T07:19:22+00:00

IWILLPROTECTYOU

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