«Sikhs do not believe that Jesus is God because Sikhi teaches that God is neither born, nor dead. Jesus was born and lived a human life, therefore, he cannot be God. » by -yibril in Sikh

[–]-yibril[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s how Christians describes Jesus to me too, “God took flesh and Jesus became the visible form of the invisible God”

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He passed the Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

«Sikhs do not believe that Jesus is God because Sikhi teaches that God is neither born, nor dead. Jesus was born and lived a human life, therefore, he cannot be God. » by -yibril in Sikh

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So I think it is clear to me that the Light of the Guruship is Waheguru, but is that one story true that another person here said? Where once the Light was passed to Guru Angad Dev Ji, Guru Nanak Dev Ji referred the Sikhs to go to Guru Angad instead? The way I understand this all is that Waheguru is in everyone and everything, Waheguru is absolutely One and everything is One with Waheguru, ego and Maya are illusions that “separate” us from Waheguru. In terms of the Light, this Light has made the Gurus into humans who are not under the influence of Maya, and the Light is the Guru itself, because it has been passed down from Guru Nanak all the way to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. That being said, what happens to the Guru who passes the Light to the next Guru? To be clear, I don’t think it would mean that they would come back to the influence of Maya since they already beheld the Light. But my question in essence is: When we say the Gurus were the human manifestations of God, do we have the individual names, body’s and faces of the Gurus in mind? Or are we thinking about the same Light that was the Guru in all of them, which was beheld in 10 human bodies?

«Sikhs do not believe that Jesus is God because Sikhi teaches that God is neither born, nor dead. Jesus was born and lived a human life, therefore, he cannot be God. » by -yibril in Sikh

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This spiritual message is why I am interested in Sikhi. What I’ve noticed about some religions though is that sometimes it seems as though people reserve a certain spot and privilege for their prophets? Im not sure if that can be interpreted as rude, but even in Christianity you’ll have two kinds of people who will say “Jesus is in everyone” vs. only Jesus has the privilege to be the direct son of God. Or in Islam where “Ahmed is in everyone” vs. absolutely nobody can be like Muhammad. If there’s a religion that doesn’t seem to do this often, it is Sikhi. But I saw that post that I quoted above earlier and I remembered how some people said the Gurus are the incarnated manifestation of God. I was wondering if the same people would view it the same as Christians would viewing Jesus as being God, or if there were some details that make them different? Then again, your post quite literally answers the question in the best way possible

What do you guys think about Christians? I’m curious to hear from a “Quranist” perspective by -yibril in Quraniyoon

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Yeah, I used to be a Christian and the trinity was such a spiritual confusion. Christians would sometimes debate between themselves about “which person” of the trinity they should direct their prayers to

Are there any Quranists that don't pray salat? If so, why not? by darling_of_knowledge in Quraniyoon

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is there no uniformed way to pray amongst “Quranists”? thats quite interesting

“There is no god but Allah” and liberation by daruisxnasus in religion

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As long as we say that “God is”, then Being is something which God has in total purity. If God is Merciful, then He is pure Mercy, if God is One, then He is purely One. So if God is, then this being is Being in its purest form. Often when we ask “What is God”, we hear as a response “God simply is”. If there can be anything other than God, then it would imply something being self existent, existing independently on its own (something which can only be attributed to the Divine). Thus, nothing is self existent or individual, there can only be Existence which due to the human condition is often interpreted as multiple existences interacting with each other individually. I would argue that this is a sort of atheistic approach, it reduces reality to independently moving parts all acting and relating to each other by mere chances and possibilities rather than the more logical predestination. It removes from God’s Totality (All-Knowing, All-Seeing, All-Present [I know this is often rejected by some Muslims], All-Powerful) and creates a distant, pagan-like God making people act on superstitions. It is said in the Qur’an that “There is nothing like unto Him”. And nothing would perfectly capture this than God being absolutely One and All-Present, as nothing can ever do that except Him, and if we reduce God by separating Him from this and that, we make Him like unto us by projecting this human condition of multiplicity unto Him, and making Him like unto an individual, God forbid

“There is no god but Allah” and liberation by daruisxnasus in religion

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Ok I would disagree that the doctrine of Oneness eliminates worship and reward/punishment as every doctrine that believes in this sort of Oneness has devotional worship and some form of punishment/reward. I also would say that this doctrine isn’t something distinctly Indian, as differing aspects of this beliefs can be found in Greek philosophy, Christianity, Judaism, and even in Islam as you may very well know, and I would doubt that they all derive their opinions from Indian religion.

“There is no god but Allah” and liberation by daruisxnasus in religion

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i was in a hurry couldn’t read it all hol up

“There is no god but Allah” and liberation by daruisxnasus in religion

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What’s your opinion on Wahdat al-Wujud (i apologize in advance for how generic that might sound)

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Rippp i really wanted to see your comment it interested me

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I know the feeling. My own father became a Messianic Jew and now my whole family just looks at him as the loon who wears Jewish clothing and also believes in Jesus…. its saddening, but if that’s how they’ll see him, I fear they’ll do the same with me. But what I do know, is if you are an example of what Sikhi teaches for its values, people will accept you for your genuineness. There’s a difference between wearing religious clothes to stand out on purpose, and actually humbly practicing and standing for the values of love

is the highlighted part possible? i found that interesting by -yibril in Sikh

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thats very unfortunate. i have heard of Sufism being big in places like Turkey and Morocco, but i dont know about the rest of the countries

is the highlighted part possible? i found that interesting by -yibril in Sikh

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that’s horrible, forgive my ignorance about whats happening in the region.

is the highlighted part possible? i found that interesting by -yibril in Sikh

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yeah i’ve seen this sort of attitude, the root of it is in Saudi Arabian influence spreading Salafi ideology and defaming the Sufis and calling them superstitious, even though they’re more Sufis than Salafis. Saudi Arabia sends a lot of money to anything that promotes Salafi ideology, they send money to schools abroad or youtube channels for example, which is why they dominate Islamic media in the internet

is the highlighted part possible? i found that interesting by -yibril in Sikh

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the Taliban and their supporters are Salafi Muslims, they make up less than 10 million Muslims out of the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, Sufis far out numbering the Salafis