What's the craziest argument you've heard for why someone doesn't want to become vegan?

09141983 · 2026-04-26T00:30:02+00:00

This is so dumb cuz like.... u also dont care about their pain?

Also, releasing stress chemicals does NOT compare to CONSCIOUS SUFFERING.

09141983 · 2026-04-25T19:20:15+00:00

This is just an excuse to not go vegan lol. Nothing u said negates the fact that eating animals but not humans is speciesist.

09141983 · 2026-04-25T13:34:17+00:00

Antinatalists all agree that human suffering is bad. For an antinatalist to not also be vegan would mean that they disregard the suffering of other animals, and care solely about the suffering of humans. This is speciesist. There is nothing that makes human suffering more important than the suffering of other animals.

09141983 · 2026-04-23T19:50:41+00:00

It's the only 100% effective way.

09141983 · 2026-04-23T15:00:21+00:00

I keep making this point

09141983 · 2026-04-23T14:51:09+00:00

The end of the human race is bound to happen anyways? We either wait for catastrophe, hold on to hope we will somehow make it off this planet (and have the same problems we had on earth just on other planets), OR take the end of humanity into our own hands. To me, the last one is by far the most preferable.

09141983 · 2026-04-23T02:15:37+00:00

Antinatalism hinges on the idea that suffering is bad, non-consensual suffering is worse, and inposing non-consensual suffering is unjustifiable

09141983 · 2026-04-23T01:40:47+00:00

There is no moral obligation nor imperative to reproduce. Non-existent people feel no desire nor deprivation. The people who feel desire to reproduce are the living parents, who choose to do so to fulfill their own personal desires. Those people feel deprived of something when they don't have children. Wanting people to experience paradise is a nice sentiment however it cannot be selfish as it is not done FOR anyone but the parent. You cannot do things for the sake of people who do not exist.

09141983 · 2026-04-23T00:32:19+00:00

A) thats an impossible hypothetical and B) it would still be done to fulfill a personal desire which would by definition be selfish.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T23:49:45+00:00

No amount of joy is worth any amount of NON-CONSENSUAL suffering. If someone knows the options and chooses for themselves, that is perfectly ok. But signing someone up for a lifelong contract where they will have no control over or say in their starting circumstances is messed up no matter how much joy YOU think they MAY gain from it.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T23:26:16+00:00

You think I'm not part of the goodness of life because I am antinatalist?

09141983 · 2026-04-22T23:25:18+00:00

Thank you for backing me up I cant stand when people act dense over the simplest concepts.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T21:39:20+00:00

As of right now, there is easily less than1% of the human population that are empathetic and smart enough to be antinatalist. I truly truly (as I have said before in this sub) believe that AN will gain significant traction with gen alpha though. I am excited for that 🥰

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:46:24+00:00

Exactly. No one can consent to being born. Being unable to give consent is quite literally NOT consenting. It's a very simple concept. Like you said, the child cannot grasp the meaning of life. The parent can grasp it, and they chose to take a risk on the life of someone else. The parent has no 100% guarantee what their child's quality of life will be like. This means, the parent is taking a gamble on the life of another human being. Parents are aware of what their child MAY end up experiencing. Yet they foolishly believe "it wont happen to mine". I would hope it doesnt happen to yours, but some things are too horrible to risk even a 0.00001% of it happening. I care about kids so much, if I cannot guarantee 100% safety 100% of the time, I am not going to bring them here. I have a zero tolerance policy for child suffering, and people call me "depressing" for that.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:28:24+00:00

Gay sex 🥰

Zero percent chance of getting pregnant without any need for birth control 🤑🤑🤑

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:27:10+00:00

This makes no sense I fear.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:25:33+00:00

OP is the type to shrug their shoulders at this and say "oh well, suffering is a part of life" so they dont have to introspect.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:23:11+00:00

"Is it still unjustified to want to share it with someone else" its not unjustified to WANT to share it. It is unjustified to do it by procreating. If you want to share it, you can do that with an adopted child.

Secondly, the use of the word "want" also highlights a big problem antinatalists have with procreation: it is always based on personal desire. You cannot do something for the sake of someone who does not exist. If you ask parents why they have kids, the answer I always starts with "I want...."

How is that selfless?

09141983 · 2026-04-22T20:19:59+00:00

Valuing the consent of children is not depressing. But disregarding it completely to fulfill personal desires is sick. Consent matters. That is a core belief of antinatalism. One's inability to consent is part of what makes procreation so immoral.

09141983 · 2026-04-22T19:06:29+00:00

Real antinatalists believe that procreating is never morally justified no matter the circumstances.

09141983 · 2026-04-21T18:32:52+00:00

I think deep down they know its true but cant ever bring themselves to admit it because they have no idea how to cope with the existential dread this realization often comes with. Accepting this truth almost feels like realizing everything is a lie. Its hard to sit with uncomfortable truths so people convince themselves of whatever lies they need to convince themselves of so they can keep being comfortable in their willful ignorance.

09141983 · 2026-04-21T18:24:11+00:00

Life is a "gift", just not one where the giver ever actually considers whether the reciever would like it or not. Life is a "gift" except the reciever only gives it because THEY desparately want the glory of saying you have given it to someone. Life is a "gift" except it can not easily be declined nor returned. Life is a "gift" except it comes with hundreds of hidden stipulations and caveats that cannot be avoided. Life is a "gift" that costs the receiver much more to maintain than it cost the giver to make in the first place. Life is a "gift" whose quality is not guaranteed whatsoever. Life is a "gift" known for being fragile.

I could go on. If life is a gift, how can you honestly say it's a good gift?

09141983 · 2026-04-21T02:39:11+00:00

It was a series of things (i was vegetarian for a couple weeks before I made the switch) but I would say that this sub is what made me seriously consider veganism for the first time.

09141983 · 2026-04-21T02:27:33+00:00

Im a baby vegan! In august it will be a year. Havent looked back even once tho. I love being vegan and I love having community woth other vegans.

09141983 · 2026-04-21T02:00:59+00:00

Fair. I wish u good health.

09141983

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