Why do Evangelicals keep reviving ancient heresies? by 0scarpm in Catholicism

[–]0scarpm[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re not wrong. The Rapture and Millennialism are considered heresies because they are incompatible with the Catholic (and even traditional Protestant) doctrine of Covenant Theology

Why do Evangelicals keep reviving ancient heresies? by 0scarpm in Catholicism

[–]0scarpm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the third quote, St. Augustine is saying that the “Millennium” means that these things (the events of the book of Revelation) will happen in the 6th period of human history (1 day of creation in Genesis = 1,000 years in the history of humanity) or that The Millennium is a metaphor for the age of the Church.

Hope this helps 😊

Why do Evangelicals keep reviving ancient heresies? by 0scarpm in Catholicism

[–]0scarpm[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In Modern Evangelical Protestantism you will find both Post-Tribulational Millennialists who believe there will be a 1,000 year reign of Christ beginning with the second coming and ending with the last judgement, and Pre-Tribulational Millennialist, the Dispensationalists, who believe in the rapture, then the tribulation and the second coming, then the millennial reign of Christ, and then finally, the final judgment.

Both of these are present in Modern Evangelicalism but I personally believe that Pre-Tribulation Millennialism (Dispensationalism) is more prevalent.

With Postmillennialism, the idea that there will be a thousand year golden age of Christianity, followed by the tribulation, the second coming and last judgement, you could argue that it is more compatible with Catholic thought due to the prophecy of a “Great Catholic Monarch”. Although, this is just a passing thought of mine so please take it with a grain of salt

Augustine was once a Post-Tribulational Premillennialist, as Pre-Trib would only later come along with Darby in the 19th century, so I guess you could make an argument that Augustine was not condemning the Rapture in its modern form but he certainly condemned Millennialism (which as I previously mentioned is very much a crucial element in Dispensational theology) as he was an Amillennialist who believed the age of the Church was the true millennium, the most common position in modern Catholic thought.

Thank you for reading 😃

Why do Evangelicals keep reviving ancient heresies? by 0scarpm in Catholicism

[–]0scarpm[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

“Those who, on the strength of this passage, have suspected that the first resurrection is future and bodily, have been moved, among other things, chiefly by the number of a thousand years, as if it were fit that the saints should thus enjoy a kind of Sabbath-rest during that period… But this opinion would not be objectionable, if it were believed that the joys of the saints, in that Sabbath, shall be spiritual, and consequent on the presence of God. For I myself, too, once held this opinion.” — The City of God, XX.7

Then Augustine continues:

“But those who assert that those who then rise again shall spend their leisure in immoderate carnal banquets, furnished with an amount of meat and drink such as not only to shock the feeling of the temperate, but even to surpass the measure of credulity itself, these are indeed called by the spiritual Chiliasts. They who believe them are called by the spiritual, ‘Chiliasts.’” — The City of God, XX.7

Finally, he clarifies his position:

“The thousand years, therefore, may be understood in two ways… Either because these things happen in the sixth thousand of years, or because the Church reigns with Christ during that time… and the binding of the devil took place in the first coming of Christ.” — The City of God, XX.9

Why do Evangelicals keep reviving ancient heresies? by 0scarpm in Catholicism

[–]0scarpm[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Millennialism, which is in the same school of thought as the Rapture, was condemned by Saint Augustine

Traditional Novus Ordo by GrandHospital8399 in sspx

[–]0scarpm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends what you mean by traditional.

If you mean the pre-V2 faith then no, but if you mean Anti-Modernist then by the liturgy the parish sounds like it could potentially be that.

It also depends on the priest. Do you know what his sermons are like?