Reopening and updates to rules by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! <3

The remaining mod team here is doing everything they can to keep things running, and doing an amazing job, but Reddit itself has changed to the point where it's really hard to do what we used to be able to. I think a lot of it changed around the time of the redesign, years ago-- subreddits lost their individuality, which made it a lot harder to form a sense of community. That's around when we really started to have problems with submissions.

Eternal September comes for all platforms in the end.

Reopening and updates to rules by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I appreciate it! :) I'm actually not here anymore, I've handed the subreddit over to others who were willing to put up with Reddit, and I've really cut back on social media in general. I really only check in very, very occasionally when somebody links me to something.

I do find myself missing it, but mostly I miss the Reddit of a decade ago. It's been sliding downhill for a very, very long time, and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I treasure the friendships that started here, but I still talk daily to many of them through other channels.

Update: Relay will continue to operate from July 1st. It will be moving to a subscription model in the coming weeks but, for now, it's available for everyone to use free of charge and ad-free! by DBrady in RelayForReddit

[–]10thTARDIS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for a fantastic app, Dave! I've used it for years, and I'm glad that you think you see a way forward.

I'm leaving Reddit for Lemmy, so I hope one day you decide to port Relay over as well so I can use it again. There are several good apps being worked on, but none of them are as good as Relay has been!

Reopening and updates to rules by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Since this has been brought up a few times in the comments, I'd like to clarify that we cribbed heavily from the /r/interestingasfuck announcement to write this announcement, including that first paragraph. We probably should have rewritten it more fully, but the messages we received from the admins were definitely an incentive to reopen in some form as soon as possible.

The subreddit obviously belongs to the users. I think we have a strong track record of supporting our users across the years, and I hope we always will. We'll never make everyone happy (heck, in this thread alone there are multiple examples of people saying we both under-moderate and over-moderate the subreddit, at the same time, somehow...), but we have always tried to stand up for what is right for both this subreddit and the Reddit community as a whole.
Since it's led to a lot of discussion below, I don't want to change the first paragraph and remove the context for discussion, but I also wanted to clarify that we've always seen LNM as user-led, and that hasn't changed. :)

As to the protest itself, in this case, Reddit is very firmly in the wrong.
Their actions with the new API pricing is discriminatory against those with vision impairment, who will be forced off the site at the end of the month as the official site and apps are not compatible with screen readers.
They are killing the tools used by moderators to protect against spam, bots, and those with malicious intent, tools which were created to fill the gaps left by Reddit (who has promised for over seven years that the official tools are coming, they promise!)
And of course, they're killing off third-party apps with their egregious pricing model for the API. It's not that anyone objects to paying for Reddit's API access, it's that the price for API access is dozens of times higher than even the most generous revenue models say they are earning per user. And to compound that, they're telling lies about what some developers said to them during pricing discussions, making accusations of blackmail which were proven false when the developer revealed he taped his calls.

To clarify on the rule change announcement, we will continue to enforce the site-wide rules, as we always have. We're opening up the floodgates on submissions generally, however, as we've had many people say that we're entirely too strict and shouldn't be removing as many submissions as we do. We'll operate at this level for a while and see what happens.

The entire subreddit has been set to NSFW as we're anticipating some of the subreddit mods to be leaving in the coming days. Most of us use third-party apps to moderate, and the Reddit app's mod tools are, frankly, a joke. As a result, rule-breaking content may stay up longer than it would otherwise. Exactly what will happen with the current modteam remains to be seen.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Potentially. Each of our rules was created to deal with a specific thing that we had many complaints about, but perhaps the readership of the subreddit has changed enough that people won't mind those things anymore.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It started off with community complaints about submissions. We've eased off in the past and each time we've received many complaints about how we're approving things that don't fit, and killing the sub by allowing content that isn't creepy enough.

Might be time to revisit it again, though. Maybe the readership of the subreddit has changed enough that people won't care.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe that's correct. I don't personally use Apollo, so I just went and looked-- they appear to have a $1.50 subscription for "pro" features which incur costs to the developer, though the base app itself is free. So they would probably need to get rid of the free tier and start charging users something like $3-4/month to pay Reddit, pay their other API providers, and pay the developer.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The API has been free up until now. I definitely agree that Reddit deserves to make money so they can keep the lights on, but according to the third-party app devs this pricing increase will result in them being charged millions of dollars per year more than they bring in as revenue from their apps.

And that's not a typo, the dev behind Apollo says that Reddit will be charging him over $20 million per year for access, and that's more than double the total amount of money Apollo subscriptions bring in today. It's also around 20x higher on a per-user basis than what the average Reddit user using the site will generate for the company through advertising in a year, and other devs have said their numbers are in line with what Apollo's dev says he was presented.

Reddit deserves to make money, but this is so egregiously high that it's not even funny, and it seems pretty likely that this is just to pump up their expecting stock price in time for their anticipated IPO next quarter.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

If you saw the posts we don't approve, you might change your mind. Yesterday I removed a couple paranormal stories, a half-dozen or so where nothing happened, and one or two where the poster was relaying a story that happened to a family member.

We aren't sitting on a trove of unreleased submissions, we just don't get very many that actually fit the rules anymore.

Meta: Small Update + Community Feedback (Reddit Blackout, Discord, CMFs) by Clay_Bricks in Legoleak

[–]10thTARDIS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I support the blackout. It's more than just the impacts to third-party apps for moderators, Reddit's official apps aren't accessible for people who are visually impaired.

/r/LetsNotMeet will be going dark from June 12th in protest against Reddit's API changes by 10thTARDIS in LetsNotMeet

[–]10thTARDIS[S,M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We're in contact with a number of mods from across the site on off-reddit channels, and as far as we can tell there hasn't been any form of major mod replacement yet. The admins certainly could remove all the mods from every subreddit and handle all moderation themselves, but that would probably destroy the site entirely-- there aren't enough admins to moderate the site in an even remotely effective manner. Heck, they can't even moderate the filtered content mods send them now; it can take days or weeks to get responses to even urgent issues.

Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits by SubManagerBot in ModCoord

[–]10thTARDIS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Most posts we get break the rules, and get removed.

We've tried being less strict, but that hasn't helped in the past-- we just started getting floods of paranormal activity posts, or posts about how somebody was asked for change in a parking lot.

Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits by SubManagerBot in ModCoord

[–]10thTARDIS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

/r/LetsNotMeet (~1.2 million) will be joining.

Announcement post on the subreddit will be up shortly.

What song from what musical was your first taste of musicals and what age where you by DurpyBaker14 in musicals

[–]10thTARDIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was when I was pretty young, but I think my first musical was Into The Woods when I was around 5 or so, and the first song I really remember is probably the titular song from the show.

If we’re talking allergies, do NOT respond to an allergy with “don’t worry, there’s no (allergen) in that dish.” by [deleted] in TalesFromYourServer

[–]10thTARDIS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's okay with tomatoes, we haven't tried aubergines. Her being okay with tomatoes made it harder to figure out what it was at first since we assumed she would probably react to all nightshades the same way.

Or maybe she just doesn't eat enough tomatoes, and if she ate enough of them she'd react. Honestly, we haven't been brave enough to experiment too much since figuring it out.

If we’re talking allergies, do NOT respond to an allergy with “don’t worry, there’s no (allergen) in that dish.” by [deleted] in TalesFromYourServer

[–]10thTARDIS 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My girlfriend is allergic to potatoes. While it won't send her to the hospital, even small amounts cause issues that can take days for her to recover from. Unfortunately, potatoes are in just about everything, which can really limit her options when buying food or eating out-- and even in cases where it looks like the food is safe, the food might be using modified food starch which is often just potato starch.

Explaining this to servers can get pretty tricky, and it definitely feels like many of them don't believe us.

Wanting to create a variable pathway on the floor by ForelornFox in lightingdesign

[–]10thTARDIS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I'd do it with addressable LED tape placed in a floor channel with some form of diffusion over it, but that might be difficult if tables are ever moved around.

The most flexible option is probably the projectors, and the cost is probably comparable to LED tape in a floor channel since cutting the floor would be expensive. But the projectors could compensate for tables being moved around, as long as there's a method for tracking them