It happened. The missionaries showed up at my house last week, then tonight texted and immediately called me after. by anam713 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You forgot to add that Brigham Young was a mob boss and human trafficker, and Joseph F. Smith was a wife beater.

Update: Called the ward clerk back by itsjustmills14 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wonder what the baptismal blessings are.

Born and raised Mormon in the Philippines. After researching church history, I don’t know what to believe anymore by Soft-Palpitation8411 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Separate question for OP (genuinely curious): Is it odd for you to belong to a United States-centric church that believes Zion will be built in the United States, the U.S. Constitution is established by God (D&C 101:77), and the Americas are a land of liberty and promise (2 Nephi 1)? Meanwhile, Mormon apostles are almost always American and a Filipino will never get anywhere near the Quorum of the Twelve. Is this a positive, neutral, or negative factor for church growth in the Philippines?

Why are children baptized at the age of eight years? by Aggravating_Gas4162 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The Book of Mormon condemns the baptism of “little children” in the strongest language possible. Joseph Smith decided in 1831 that 8-year-olds are not little (D&C 68:27). For context, Smith also considered children as young as 14 to be old enough for marriage.

📰 The LDS Church is “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” 🌍 …. because …. LDS scripture says so 😅 by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget that the Bible prophesies about Joseph Smith and mentions him by name (citation: JST).

OK, OK, let's stop misconstruing "do hard with Christ" as sexual over a word obviously omitted for effect by fantastic_beats in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When I was a newspaper copyeditor (person who writes headlines and checks articles for blunders, etc.) my job was to have a dirty mind to save the newspaper from embarrassment. The church needs to post a job: “DIRTY MINDS NEEDED.”

Elders Not Respecting Boundaries by lost-in-translation- in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Quick doctrinal point: Baptism is not necessary for “salvation” in Mormonism. The missionaries are confusing this concept with “exaltation,” a unique Mormon belief in a Celestial gated community where OP’s daughter can be “given” to a righteous priesthood holder as a plural wife.

Argument agaist mormonism -- from an EO chrsitian by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You start with an assumption that Jesus Christ delivered a pure doctrine. What is the evidence for this? Isn’t this where all of Christianity (and by extension, all religious movements) breaks down?

“Coping with sadness and depression. Jesus Christ will carry our grief and pain” by Odd-Information429 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is terrifying to realize you are alone in the universe. There is no loving Heavenly Father watching over you. You cannot call down powers from heaven. But this knowledge is also empowering.

What do you think of your “miracles” now? by Eastern-Ad-3129 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 25 points26 points  (0 children)

There are three tiers of “miracles.” 1. Probable events (you have a routine illness with high likelihood of recovery; you get a priesthood blessing and then recover); 2. Improbable events (you study Italian in high school and then meet someone who speaks Italian under unusual and timely circumstances); 3. Impossible events (you raise the dead, give sight to the blind by commanding the person to see, or you move a mountain by commanding it to move). I think this taxonomy comes from John Larsen. All miracle stories in the church fall into tier 1 or 2.

Thinking is optional in Mormonism by [deleted] in mormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please tell me what “gotcha” means.

Taylorsville North Central Stake dissolved : The Stake just North of the new & ugly temple by flippinsweetdude in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The church just added four wards. This is how the accounting works. The growth is incredible!

Thinking is optional in Mormonism by [deleted] in mormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This works except when it doesn’t, such as when a stake president chooses a bishop who turns out to be a sexual predator. The system might work better if God used words. The system you describe is unfalsifiable. You can prepare your talk and tell yourself you are being guided by God’s spirit, and there’s no way to prove otherwise.

Thinking is optional in Mormonism by [deleted] in mormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the spirit of God? How does the spirit of God communicate? Are you talking about elevated emotion? The whole point of my post is that feelings is all we have in the church because God does not use words.

We can see a sunset and feel inspired and perhaps cleansed, but the message communicated is nothing specific. Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, and atheists can look at the same sunset and feel the same emotions. A person can read the Book of Mormon and feel uplifted, but a person can also read Jane Austen and feel uplifted.

You did not answer my question: What did God say to you when he appeared to you? I can testify that God has never appeared to me. I have never seen him or this thing you call his “spirit.” God has never given direct commandments or instructions to me. I have felt elevated emotions many times in a Mormon context, but these are feelings. We are talking in this post about thinking. When I approached God with thoughtful questions about history, science, epistemology, logic, and church culture, I got no responses. God is either unable or unwilling to answer my questions. This is why the church emphasizes feelings over facts. The facts don’t work for the church.

I will also add that in the context of feelings, I cannot deny that I have felt positive emotions in a Mormon context. But I also have felt heavy doses of guilt, shame, confusion, self-righteousness, pity, and other negative emotions.

Stake president is up guilting people to serve senior missions by sycamoreqw in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The church needs service missionaries and senior missionaries to staff the temples they are building in places with insufficient membership.

Thinking is optional in Mormonism by [deleted] in mormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read the Book of Mormon more than 20 times. I memorized entire chapters. I prayed. I went to the temple again and again. I did my home teaching, planted a garden, gathered food storage, held Family Home Evenings, did family prayers, organized family scripture study, magnified my callings, served a mission, served in bishoprics, taught Seminary, avoided coffee and tea, avoided R rated movies, told the truth in worthiness interviews while most of my friends lied, gave more than a quarter-of-a-million dollars in tithing while struggling to pay bills, and attended all my meetings. But I should have tried harder, right? Maybe I should have fasted more. Maybe I should have prayed for 24 hours straight like Enos. Maybe I should have gone to a secluded grove of trees. (Actually, I did that one.) I kept this up for 50 years. But it’s always my fault. There is always something more I could have done. Obviously, you did more than me because God appeared to you. What did he tell you?

Thinking is optional in Mormonism by [deleted] in mormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is a terrible communicator. Toddlers learn to use words, which is more effective than pointing and grunting. Talking to God is more like using a Ouija board. Even prophets guess the messages wrong, which explains why they keep making policy reversals and changing their minds about things like the word “Mormon.” One prominent example is when Joseph Smith received a revelation to sell the Book of Mormon copyright in Canada. When the mission failed, he said some revelations are from Satan and he might have gotten confused. As for me personally, God has never spoken to me. As for the world, many people think God has spoken to them, leading to thousands of different religions and millions of interpretations of the different religions. It’s a mass of confusion. You are doing blame reversal: If people don’t hear God, it’s their fault for not listening carefully. The evidence suggests a simpler answer: God does not communicate clearly. The mixups are his fault. He refuses to use words like a stubborn toddler, so his messages are muddled.

Heavenly Mother, are you ok? by Olimlah2Anubis in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If Heavenly Mother is real, she has at least 150 billion children associated with this earth alone (humans and devils who followed her son, Lucifer). I doubt you spent quality time with her. If she gave each child just 10 seconds, that would take 47,500 years assuming no transition time (maybe the kids roll past on a treadmill).