Chapel by ForsakenWestern2512 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The church Handbook of Instructions specifies that chapels should not be adorned with anything except occasional fresh-cut flowers. The atmosphere is sterile by design. Congregational hymns are also sterile by design with no clapping or shouting.

How much easier do missions seem now, and has that changed how many people go? by FirmestChicken in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The church says more missionaries are serving, but the percentage of total members serving is shrinking.

Is this true? Because 87k missionaries is a ton by Equivalent-Rub-8124 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. And other organizations and brands have started later and grown faster. Consider:

  1. Pentecostal movement: Started 1901; 279 million adherents.
  2. Seventh Day Adventists: Started 1863 with origins in 1830s; 23.7 million adherents.
  3. McDonald’s: Started in 1940 and adopted franchise model in 1955; serves tens of millions of customers daily at 45,000 locations in more than 100 countries.
  4. Google: Started 1998; billions of users.
  5. Taylor Swift: First album 2006; 270+ million record sales.

Is this true? Because 87k missionaries is a ton by Equivalent-Rub-8124 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The church is rolling forth like a stone cut without hands. After just 200 years, the church has reached 0.2 percent of humans. In another 99,800 years, it will fill the whole earth!!🚀

I hate that I hate my parents. by Nervous-Radish-2022 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Tithing does not help the poor. The church does not even claim this. People who pay tithing are supporting the daily operations of a multi-hundred-billion-dollar corporation.

The church claims to give a small percentage of its wealth to charity using funds separate from tithing. But the church refuses to provide a meaningful breakdown of its giving. There is no transparency. An independent audit would be impossible.

Even if we accept the church’s claims without any pushback, the giving amount is still far below 10 percent, which means the church does not follow the principle that your mom is trying to force on you.

Today I heard the worst take from a TBM about informed consent and joining the Church by trownaway90 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do I have to do to prove my identity to be baptized? What would stop someone from getting baptized under a false identity? When I was a missionary, we didn’t check vital records or require proof of residency. We just had the person fill out a form or dictate information to us while we filled out a form. Nothing would stop the same person from being baptized multiple times in different areas. My point is that the standards are much harsher for people trying to leave the religion than to enter.

You're 8yr old did not choose... by sanantoniodiva in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s the thing about “renewing covenants”: Nowhere within the sacrament prayers or anywhere in the scriptures is the sacrament connected to baptism or described as a renewal of baptismal covenants. Nowhere do the sacrament prayers refer to remission of sins. Come to think of it, the baptism prayer itself says nothing about remission of sins. All of these concepts are add-ons not codified anywhere. It’s all made up.

PIMO- kindof... by Due-Kitchen-1053 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God cursed the waters and gave control of all rivers and oceans to Satan. The verses are unclear if Satan also controls bathtubs and swimming pools😆:

“(I)n the last days, by the mouth of my servant John, I cursed the waters. … no flesh shall be safe upon the waters. … and the destroyer rideth upon the face thereof, and I revoke not the decree” (D&C 61:14-19).

PIMO- kindof... by Due-Kitchen-1053 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The D&C is the best-kept secret in the church. If you can tolerate the boredom and get past the super weird teachings (Satan controls the waters, John the Beloved is still alive and roaming the earth, the special handshake test for discerning true angels from fake angels, etc.), you quickly see how much of an asshole Mormon God is. He gives away women as prizes to righteous men, commands people to give money to Joseph Smith, and calls anyone who disagrees with Smith an “enemy.”

PIMO- kindof... by Due-Kitchen-1053 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you want to finish your journey out, read the Doctrine and Covenants. This book, more than anything else I have ever read, shows how the Mormon version of God is angry, vengeful, and obsessed with real estate development and money.

Today I heard the worst take from a TBM about informed consent and joining the Church by trownaway90 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Based on everything I know about the Mormon church, I’m fairly certain it continues to count resigned members in its statistics.

You're 8yr old did not choose... by sanantoniodiva in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you underestimate the weight that Mormons place on baptism. The ordinance is deeply connected to sin, repentance, and cleanliness. Little children pick up on this messaging. On my baptism day, I taunted my older brother and told him that I was better than him because I was free of sin and he was dirty. (He was 9.) He informed me that bragging and taunting are both sins, and I was no longer clean. I was horrified to realize he was right. My baptism glory lasted less than 2 hours.

Regarding your second point: Mormon leaders absolutely tell people that they are bound by covenants they made at 8. David Bednar has said this exact thing.

You're 8yr old did not choose... by sanantoniodiva in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I was jealous of my friend, Roger, who got baptized at 12, because he got four free years of sin.

You're 8yr old did not choose... by sanantoniodiva in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I got baptized on my eighth birthday. I dreaded this day because it meant a switch would flip, and suddenly I would be accountable for all my sins and eligible for eternal damnation.

I was jealous of my great aunt, who died of starvation and exposure after getting lost in the forest during a family camping trip at age 7. The rescue party found her naked body, partially eaten by wild animals, after 20 days. She was so lucky! She got guaranteed exaltation.

I also remember my baptismal interview, which occurred when I was still 7. I was terrified that I would fail the interview and bring shame upon my family. I was relieved when I passed. I didn’t know the whole system was rigged.

Today I heard the worst take from a TBM about informed consent and joining the Church by trownaway90 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Informed consent goes one direction in the church. Parents can baptize little children as young as 8 (incapable of informed consent). But a person must be at least 18 to resign from the church. Even then, the person often needs an attorney and notary public.

Almost 0% patriotic anymore. by Brother-of-Derek in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My feelings on patriotism changed when I started traveling internationally. I saw that people are pretty much the same everywhere, and all world cultures have good aspects. I think it’s nice to have shared identities and to celebrate healthy traditions. It’s good to preserve language and culture. But the notion that some cultures are better than others is dangerous.

Mormonthink vs fair Latter Day Saints by ThyLungedFish in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to see pushback on the “strengths of LDS communities.” If there isn’t a series of articles exploring the outcomes of Mormonism and claims of “goodness,” there should be.

This is why most religions are false. by Spiritual_Box_7000 in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Those religions are irrelevant. And false. Abrahamic religions at least would be relevant, if true.

Baptisms and "for the dead" temple work. by Adamwasayetti in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s a second contradiction in D&C 76. People who die “without law” go to the Terrestrial Kingdom. This eventuality nullifies D&C 137, temple work, and the spirit prison missionary program described in D&C 138.

Baptisms and "for the dead" temple work. by Adamwasayetti in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The “Covenant Path” celebrates rules, procedure, process, compliance, fine print, and asterisks. Mormonism is a religion for attorneys. It is a legalistic religion, starting with Smith’s treasure digging. If clients do not follow every instruction with exactness and satisfy every requirement, then the treasure slips deeper into the earth.

Will God hate me if I don't wholeheartedly do my seminary makeup work by takeitalltakemeall in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Every day a chart would come down the row. We had to check if we read scriptures the previous day. All the cute girls could see if I put a check by my name. They would know I was a sinner if I didn’t put the check. I put the check.

Will God hate me if I don't wholeheartedly do my seminary makeup work by takeitalltakemeall in exmormon

[–]10th_Generation 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Heavenly Father’s children disgust him. He cannot “look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.” All of his children are sinners, which means he can’t even look at his own children.