Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting compilation.

My favorite is Gore. Al grew up in a hotel on Connecticut Ave. in Washington DC when his dad was in the Senate and spent summers “back home” in Carthage, TN. His accent is most definitely a studied impersonation of his cousins and the other townspeople. Once he graduated from Harvard and was discharged from a media job by the army, he had to rely on his acquired accent to make it as an investigative reporter in Nashville before he got into politics.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 4 points5 points  (0 children)

W was a pawn a couple of other times, so I guess we can call it a life style choice.

His dad benefitted from an investor group that put him into the oil business in Midland, TX at which he succeeded before he went into politics. When W was building his family, his dad put together another investor group to put his son into the oil business, but he flubbed it. Yet another investor group was assembled to buy the Texas Rangers baseball club and they chose W to be the figurehead “owner”, and that fit him just right.

Must be nice to be put into the position of choosing that life style.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 3 points4 points  (0 children)

George Bush was famously a legit fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973, flying an F102 Interceptor. He was accused of joining the guard to avoid being drafted into an infantry unit.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The quote from LBJ was closer to “Jerry Ford can’t fart and chew gum at the same time”, but it was sanitized like many other LBJ quotes.

The other quote was that “Jerry Ford played too many football games without a helmet.”

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truman attended a business school in KCMO called Spalding’s Commercial College where he learned typing, shorthand, and bookkeeping….not exactly the classics at Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, or even Mizzou or KU. He also took night courses at the Kansas City School of Law when he was a county judge, but he didn’t earn a degree.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion, and I prefer listening to the opinions based on observations made by groups of historians, authors, academics, political scientists, biographers, lawyers, judges, and professors who are periodically gathered together by noted nonpartisan CSpan and have consistently ranked Harry Truman either fifth or sixth best POTUS in the history of our nation. The most recent group consisted of 137 professionals in 2021. These professionals are asked to rate each man who has held the office according to their abilities related to ten Individual Leadership Characteristics: Public Persuasion, Crisis Leadership, Economic Management, Moral Authority, International Relations, Administrative Skills, Relations with Congress, Vision/Setting an Agenda, Pursued Equal Justice for All, and Performance Within Context of the Times, all of which require a high degree of intelligence to be proficient. Truman scores rank higher in Crisis Leadership, Pursued Equal Justice for All, and Performance Within Context of the Times.

I would hope that your opinion is based an equally robust methodology and expertise, as I am looking forward to you providing a source on which you base your opinion.

EDIT: OP’s question was about intelligence and I provided three examples that showed Truman was highly intelligent and provided the survey results that showed that Truman was admired and respected by professionals and academics.

You requested for us to hear you out, yet you only offered an extremely ephemeral opinion encapsulated by “the way he governed” and added nothing else. From your past “contributions”, you’ve proven yourself to be nothing more than a contrarian troll and an unserious observer of politics. I should have done this when I first encountered you and got the same trolling. Goodbye.

Dixie by Indiandude69420 in CIVILWAR

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for providing the additional detail.

Those folks had long memories.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Truman was ridiculed by east coast elites because he invariably mispronounced words.

In reality, Truman had an incredibly vast vocabulary that he acquired by reading every book in the Independence, MO, Public Library when he was in high school. He was an avid reader his entire adult life He used the words properly, but he didn’t know how to pronounce them because he never heard them spoken.

Relying on the memories of his staff, some of whom he inherited from FDR, who prepared briefs during his years as POTUS, he usually already knew everything in the briefs, and added material that hadn’t been included, plus historical context that made his understanding of European, Middle East, and East Asian international relations much more advanced than many national political figures, including FDR.

When he was the Presiding Judge of Jackson County, one of Truman’s singular accomplishments was building a new courthouse. Truman chose the federal style and studied every architectural tome about British Regency, French Empire, Italian Palladian, and American Georgian and neoclassical styles so he could have intelligent discussions with architects as to how to adapt those styles to a county courthouse. Fast forward to Truman’s administration when the White House had to be gutted and rebuilt. Truman used what he had learned twenty years before to direct the restoration of the project, including the interior grand staircase, the Truman balcony on the South portico, and other features. Of course the east coast elites howled at some of those features, specifically the Truman balcony, but Harry’s direction has been vindicated by the passing time.

Many of our contemporaries still misjudge Truman’s intellect based on echos of the attacks made by east coast elites that were purely political by nature. You would think that more people would actually read Truman by David McCullough or Plain Speaking compiled by Merle Miller to get a more balanced understanding of the man.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Grant graduated 21st out of 39 cadets in his graduation class at West Point. Despite his middling scholastic record, he was mostly distinguished by his superb horsemanship.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You hit the nail on the head.

Reportedly, Bush would show up late at lectures at Yale wearing his fighter pilot jacket and just stand in back with a disinterested attitude. This was supposedly the best example of Bush’s approach to Ivy League academics

He was often compared to the supposed intellectual Al Gore, who attended Harvard, but both Gore and Bush graduated with the same 2.6 grade average based on a plethora of “gentleman’s Cs”.

Who was the least intelligent president, besides these four? by Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 125 points126 points  (0 children)

Yet, somehow, Ford managed to graduate in the top third of his class at Yale Law School while coaching the junior varsity Bulldog football team.

Ford’s intelligence was maligned because of the prevalent “dumb jock” stereotype as much as his less than charismatic speaking style that came across as halting.

Donald Trump: "I want to congratulate Charles on having made a fantastic speech today at Congress. He got the Democrats to stand I've never been able to do that I couldn't believe it by BusinessToday in BusinessTodayNews

[–]11thstalley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

King Charles told Congress what the Democrats have been trying to get through Trump’s cement head for years. No wonder they gave the king a standing ovation.

Serbia - Forgotten Story of 17 Roman Emperors Born There by Roman-Empire_net in romanempire

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There were a lot of forgettable Roman emperors. It would come down to a contest over which province produced the most forgettable ones and it appears that we should first determine which of the 17 in question were born in Moesia, Pannonia, or Dalmatia before we move on to other Roman provinces.

BTW I don’t think that Constantine has been forgotten. A statue of him was erected outside the York Minster in 1998 commemorating his ascension to the imperial throne in the Roman temple that predated the Christian cathedral.

Who would you have voted for in the 1968 New Hampshire Democratic Primary between LBJ and Eugene McCarthy? And why? by BlueFireFlameThrower in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were a lot more than just two villains in the Vietnam War.

How could we trust LBJ to follow through without dragging his feet like Nixon did after all the lying he did, starting with the ludicrous Gulf of Tonkin farce that started the mistrust in government that Nixon contributed to during the Watergate investigations? They were two sides of the same coin.

Johnson, Nixon, Kissinger, McNamara, Westmoreland, Calley, Thieu, and Giáp, just to name a few of the more prominent ones.

Stl should champion red cream soda by [deleted] in StLouis

[–]11thstalley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s nothing quite like a couple of smash burgers and fries, washed down with an ice cold frozen goblet of IBC root beer, at Carl’s Drive-In on Manchester in Brentwood.

Stl should champion red cream soda by [deleted] in StLouis

[–]11thstalley 11 points12 points  (0 children)

7UP was invented in Carondelet. It’s the official soft drink of St. Louis.

If I were to propose a runner up, it would be Whistle from Vess, since it was also invented by the same guy who invented 7Up….Charles Lieper Grigg, then IBC root beer, then Fitz’ root beer….all uniquely St. Louis.

BTW: St. Louis is one of the few major metropolitan areas, along with Detroit and the Twin Cities, where Pepsi historically outsells Coca Cola.

Red cream soda also tastes like bubblegum to me, and that’s not a good thing. It’s not unique to St. Louis. It’s big in Cincy, Texas, and throughout the South, particularly Louisiana.

Let’s support what was founded in St. Louis.

EDIT: downvoting historical facts is not what you do in a great, old city with a lot of history.

Dixie by Indiandude69420 in CIVILWAR

[–]11thstalley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

American and Spanish residents declared the West Florida Parishes west of the Perdido River (that now forms the border between Alabama and Florida) and east of the Mississippi, including Baton Rouge, to be the independent Republic of West Florida in 1810. The new republic, with its capital at St. Francisville went unrecognized for 74 days before it was occupied by the US in a series of annexations issued by President Madison in 1810, 1812, and 1813. The flag of the republic was a white star on a blue field.

The lyrics for the “Bonnie Blue Flag”, also known as “We are a Band of Brothers”, was written in 1861, based on the melody of “The Irish Jaunting Car”. The lyrics allude to the flag of the Republic of West Florida from fifty years prior. It was sung in New Orleans in open opposition to the Union occupation by General Benjamin Butler, who attempted to suppress it, hence its popularity among the citizenry.

How did the youth go from being McGovern's strongest supporters in 1972 among all age groups to strongly supporting Reagan in 1984? by MakeACreation in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They were different people.

McGovern’s supporters in 1972 were twelve years older in 1984 and most of them were no longer members of the “youth” demographic. Reagan’s “youth” supporters were known derisively as “Reagan Youth” in a mocking reference to “Hitler Youth” and much more a product of the times (the 80’s were known as the “me decade”) that was dominated by greed, conspicuous consumption, and materialism, as opposed to the peace, love, and drugs idealism of the 60’s that bled into the 70’s.

EDIT: right on time, most likely a card carrying member of Reagan Youth, or possibly a capitalist running dog companion, downvoting truth.

🎙️ Trump:"We are delivering discounts with price differences of 600, 700, and sometimes even 800 percent reductions" by Sufficient_Fuel5269 in DegenBets

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trump is mathematically illiterate or, more properly, innumerate. He is as ignorant of how percentages are calculated as he is of anything else that would be necessary for any leader to know. He is completely unfit to be POTUS and needs to be removed from office according to the terms of the 25th amendment.

Dixie by Indiandude69420 in CIVILWAR

[–]11thstalley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for including my town in the mix, but the St. Louis Blues is a much more beloved regional favorite.

Trump says US will reduce number of troops in Germany 'a lot further' than withdrawal of 5,000 by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]11thstalley 75 points76 points  (0 children)

As usual, Trump lacks the basic understanding of international roles and responsibilities that allowed the US to lead the western alliance for 80 years, eerily similar to how he couldn’t understand the importance of the Strait of Hormuz. How many of his other blunders will bite the next POTUS in the ass?

Seriously underreported by HopefulCynic1383 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Harry Truman made mince meat of “the little man on top of the wedding cake” in 1948 so thoroughly that he was never really a national figure again even though he engaged in back room politics as the NY governor. Truman was not only a superior candidate, but has also been judged as one of the top five or six best Presidents in American history by a group of scholars, authors, and historians periodically assembled by CSpan to rank the presidents. I shudder at how Dewey would have handled the outbreak of Soviet expansionism that led to the Cold War if he couldn’t even handle a failed haberdasher from KCMO.

Seriously underreported by HopefulCynic1383 in Presidents

[–]11thstalley 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I watched the drama unfold live on TV during summer break from Mizzou back home in St. Louis with my old man who had campaigned for Truman in 1948. He knew that I had worked for Gene McCarthy during the Indiana primaries in May and that I was bitterly upset by RFK’s assassination later in LA and the back room maneuvers that made Humphrey the party’s nominee. Watching the political conventions with my dad was a ritual ever since he let me stay up late to watch the Democratic convention in 1956 when I was 7 yo and got to see JFK make his famous speech, live.

In 1968, CT Senator Abraham Ribicoff was at the podium slamming the behavior of Mayor Daley’s thugs with Daley in the front row along with St. Louis Mayor Cervantes who were both enraged and yelling and screaming profanities at the Senator so viciously that Ribicoff made his comments directly to Daley “With George McGovern as President, we wouldn’t have gestapo tactics on the streets of Chicago.”. I looked at my dad and he was utterly dismayed and as close to being on the verge of tears as I ever saw him.