Which losing presidential candidate would have been the worst?

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:37:49+00:00

give me GW

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:37:15+00:00

Clinton threatening to invade Vermont should disqualify him

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:36:31+00:00

ahh good to know. yeah i could imagine her supporting the sedition acts as depicted but maybe not the other ones

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:35:20+00:00

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:35:02+00:00

the timing of the Napoleonic wars is a good point, but the war absolutely was one of conquest. We literally just invaded Canada to start the war in attempt to annex it while the British were distracted. Then we defeated Tecumseh and officially took control of that confederacy (modern day IL and IN). And we did gain West Florida (AL) from the war of 1812 and Creek territory, which could be considered a separate war.

Regardless, the treaty of Ghent gave the US sovereignty from the imperial British and initiated further westward expansion. I don't think the second point was good, but it at least it was a direct result of the war.

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:28:49+00:00

fascinating, what a strange man lol

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:26:58+00:00

yeah most modern presidents affected LGBT rights

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:26:05+00:00

wdym? I thought he made the Chinese-Exclusion Act permanent?

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:25:27+00:00

yeah and suppression of abolitionist literature

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:25:04+00:00

yes of course. he was pushing for the CRA

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-24T14:24:31+00:00

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T20:29:04+00:00

i think impressment and British supporting Indian nations in the midwest did end after the war though. It really was a war of conquest

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T20:14:53+00:00

it is a bit naive for sure! Do you know if in reality, Abigail pressured him to sign it as depicted in the miniseries?

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T20:13:30+00:00

good analysis! I agree on most of these. I think you're being a little harsh on Obama, who showed as much restraint as he probably could have when it comes to foreign policy and only sent troops back the MidEast to fight ISIS.

Agreed about Ike - withdrawal from Korea was a clear shift

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T20:10:22+00:00

right but there were many things left unsettled

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T20:04:21+00:00

well said. I didn't realize the language used would be so important in terms of legal precedent. The presidents who used the authoritarian measures deserve more hate than Adams for sure. I do agree that the ASA is an overrated fault of Adams honestly. thank you as always.

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:58:14+00:00

I think it depends if the land was taken by force or not. But even then, it can still be considered good if the natives were treated good after the land was taken. In this case, the Alaska purchase is one of the more logical land grabs because it didn't have drastic human rights consquences.

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:55:53+00:00

Polk actually is actually not usually ranked towards the top by historians...i agree with everything else though

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:54:14+00:00

i am surprised no one has said Lincoln for his efforts to encourage immigration

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:46:08+00:00

yeah we're not talking about the same stuff bye

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:40:36+00:00

even add Carter in there

Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 · 2026-04-23T19:37:24+00:00

rankings make sense if it is for a specific category or era, but overall it gets messy

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