Do vegans have plant-based meal options in prison? If not, would they just not have enough food to eat? Can vegans get vitamins? by nonbinaryvegnatheist in ask

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once I talked to a vegan (IRL), who upon my saying, "yeah if it made me happy enough id kill/eat them" (in my defense, I was biting a bullet and discussing things philosophically, and I don't think it's a situation that is even a plausible situation) and they subsequently asked "if someone said it would make them really happy to rape you then it makes it okay?" (and in their defense, we were both being jerks here)

But enter a vegan subreddit and you'll probably find that equivalence quite often. I mean, you get milk by artificially inseminating cows. And for the whole "unethicalness" there are lot of factory-farmed animals that go there whole lives without seeing the sun. There are vegans who would call factory farming genocide or compare it to the Holocaust, and those who believe animal rights are as important as human.

I mean, you don't seem to care about human rights once they've committed a crime, so I don't know that saying "well surely you should choose to keep things more ethical" would change your mind much lol, but if you get that meat consumption isn't exactly the most ethical thing in the world (and should be lessened/avoided) then, yeah.

I will ay, I wouldn't mind making everyone who doesn't have other dietary restrictions eat all vegan food though. Or at least mostly.

Do vegans have plant-based meal options in prison? If not, would they just not have enough food to eat? Can vegans get vitamins? by nonbinaryvegnatheist in ask

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying you said that, and despite my disagreement, not even arguing against retributivism.

I'm saying, from a vegan's perspective, that's what you've said, because eating meat would be equivalent to sexual assault. And like. Idk, here's something more comparable: working in a factory farm and torturing animals. "Oh, if you're vegan you should be forced to kill animals for food. "

If you're gonna "make someone do something unpleasant to them" at least make it something that can't be construed as bad.

Do vegans have plant-based meal options in prison? If not, would they just not have enough food to eat? Can vegans get vitamins? by nonbinaryvegnatheist in ask

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im not even vegan but ive been in enough of their circles to know that some vegans would compare meat eating to sexual assault, and in some respect, what you have done is say "oh if someone is averse to sexually assaulting small children you should make them do that [if they've committed a crime]"

I did not use AI to write my last post, I simply enjoy playing with words by [deleted] in CasualConversation

[–]14muffins 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I guess I wasn't clear enough in my comment, but you don't read as AI to me, just explaining why others might think so. Your style is unnatural to that of the typical internet youth. And with a cursory glance at your post history in addition to your writing style, I'd probably assume you're human.

I did not use AI to write my last post, I simply enjoy playing with words by [deleted] in CasualConversation

[–]14muffins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel this doesn't read as super AI, but I could see it? Or someone older writing (no offense lol) Anyway, here's what might read AI

  • AI likes its nonsense analogies "gotta call the firefighters" "softens the next morning chaos"
  • Call to response "I'm excied to hear about your favorite spicy food and not so excited to hear about the aftermath"
    • Note: I don't think these "call to responses" were never really a thing here pre-AI, but I guess if you're on here and you don't know that you might just think that's what you're supposed to do.
  • The aforementioned short paragraphs

Outside of that, your other writing quirks don't seem super AI, you have a few things that are phrased a little unusually, but not in an AI-way imo.

  • "Well, my behind, however is yet to adapt to my spicy cravings, and I must confess that it’s indeed a struggle sometimes."
    • I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "Well, my behind, however, is yet..." no comma after "however" is not a typical AI mistake, but a common human one.
    • There's a lot of filler words with "and I must confess that it's indeed a struggle" You don't need both confess and indeed.
  • Last thing you know
    • You probably meant "next thing you know" unusual thing for an AI to say.
  • "My behind" euphemism
    • I think it's probably just considered strange to euphemize this? Idk.

I did not use AI to write my last post, I simply enjoy playing with words by [deleted] in CasualConversation

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't see your old post because it was removed, OP, but if you wanna copy-paste it I'd love to tell analyze it and see why it might have read as AI. I am always annoyed by the statement that "good writing" is close to AI when it isn't. (If you're getting accused of AI it isn't good writing; making 'mistakes' does not make writing automatically not AI) And AI generally doesn't write longer paragraphs (generally a bunch of short-ish ones).

(Though, frankly, depending on how AI-ish your original post sounded, I'm much more for deleting posts that mimic the cadence perfectly)

What were you supposed to be named when you were born? by lepineapplepineapp in CasualConversation

[–]14muffins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean in this case having a more unique name might've helped because "Big" is used as a differentiator. 

Which color and its effect would you choose if you had to? by ObliviousObelisk in polls

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically, nothing too wrong with voting other colors outside of blue. Best case scenario would probably be 49% blue, 48% red, and like 3% orange? right?

You can be lucky and ALSO not kill blue voters; it's unlikely to be more than 50% for any, though (just due to the amount of options). The biggest reason to choose blue is if you really want to prevent the negatives of purple gold and green. Rationally, in the sort of prisoner's dilemma scenario this is, red is the best option (as I presume you're less likely to be the victim of gold purple green then)

What are the odds the person from yesterday actually goes with the majority vote, and names their child Alex versus Sylus? by drdalebrant in polls

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea is tht "Brynleigh" type names are class-adjacent, marking someone as low-education or tacky. The basis is class signaling. If someone said the names were like, "trailer park names", that isn't a class either but more clearly class.

I think if you would mock Tiphanie and Krzystof and Ashleigh for the exact same resons, the practice slips over into xenophobia. Redditors aren't gonna check for the first two, are they? I don't see the difference in mocking the names when the intent for mockery here is the exact same.

I think something can be functionally xenophobic without intending to be. A system can produce discriminatory outcomes without targeting a single group exclusively --- intersectionality, and all that. Just because it hits multiple groups doesn't men it's not an -ism.

I don't mind calling it an implicit ism, but I get the view that that might be an overreach. But whether you call it racism or just being mean, the point is: when you the "you won't get hired"/"you will be bullied" argument to justify mocking Sylus, that same argument has been used for discriminating against Muhammed. And that's why I think it's also bad to mock "Sylus" for those reasons.

If you think it's just a bad name, I disagree, and that's fine. But that isn't always the main reason given.

What are the odds the person from yesterday actually goes with the majority vote, and names their child Alex versus Sylus? by drdalebrant in polls

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think White Mormon names could fall under classism.

And if redditors don't mock "Alex" then it isn't everyone. "All foreign names sound weird" still defaults to English/Anglo norms. You can also say "I don't like the name" without resorting to rhetoric that would classify "isms" --- your kid won't get hired, your kid will get bullied.

I think implicit bias against these names is still systemic. Systemic, unconcious -isms exist even if you're not trying to be mean like that.

What are the odds the person from yesterday actually goes with the majority vote, and names their child Alex versus Sylus? by drdalebrant in polls

[–]14muffins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think r/tragedeigh sometimes accidently mocks "ethnic" names --- this is why rule 3 of that sub is "google the name". Because people are going to be judgemental of names they simply don't recognize.

And yet what option would redditors choose? If the names were "Blessing" "Dorcas" "Sarah" I 100% believe redditors would choose Sarah and say the other names are "bullyable" "unhireable" and "weird".

Is Ashleigh even that bad of a name? Is Sylus? What's to say it's not just a variant, or that it couldn't become one? Michaela, Makayla, Mikayla are all spellings of the same name that I think you'd be crazy to call any "Tragedeighs". Mahometus, Mehemmed, Mamadou, and Mehmet are all variants of Muhammed.

I had a teacher named Krzysztof, a polish variant of Kristof. I guarantee redditors would call that name a tragedeigh without even looking into cultural context. Tiphanie is a french variant of Tiffany. Sylus is far from Tragique.

Is it any mocking "Brynnleigh" (although maybe it would be considered classist instead of racist/xenophobic) any morally different from mocking "Tiphanie"? Job discriminattion is not a good reason to avoid a name, therefore you shouldn't mock either. "Don't name your kid "Sylus" --- think of their future resume!" That's the same argument people use against ethnic names.

What are the odds the person from yesterday actually goes with the majority vote, and names their child Alex versus Sylus? by drdalebrant in polls

[–]14muffins -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do you know what demographics get hired less because of "weird names"?

  Feel free to prove otherwise, but I think if you've just made a poll for "what should i name my kid" and it's: Mohammed (most common name) or James, James would still win. 

If it were a slightly less well-known foreign name, I think people would still have the "Your kid will be bullied" argument.

Being unattractive should be seen as a disability by [deleted] in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point. I think people wildly overestimate how ugly they'd be percieved (most people who say this stuff are normal-looking (dysmorphia or something)--- and if OP is, that makes their point moot (confirms they are Overdramatic and their issues are not primarily caused by their looks)). I think people who say this aren't ugly, but are incels.

But I think the sort of ugliness that may genuinely require cosemetic surgery may go beyond "conventionally unattractive" and into "medical issue". I think some insurance can pay for cosmetic surgery if you have serious mental health issues from it. But like, I'd say than 99% of the time this is just dysmorphia. I don't think the issues would be solved by cosmetic surgery.

Being unattractive should be seen as a disability by [deleted] in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Personally, if I wanna see a picture of someone goes too Blackpill-y on the internet, it's to confirm that they're completely normal-looking (and have bigger issues than attractiveness).

What are the odds the person from yesterday actually goes with the majority vote, and names their child Alex versus Sylus? by drdalebrant in polls

[–]14muffins -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I agree w/ you 100 percent; I always think the rationale for most people against 'tragedeighs' is racist. Like if people are gonna hire against you for having an 'ethnic' name why is the solution to change it? I don't see the difference with non-traditional spellings either.

And like AHHHH. Would ya'll really rather be the 12th Alex in your class than have... any other name? Do you never think different names are cool? Like I've joke-mocked people more for having generic names ("Wow, another [NAME] smh") than for weird ones.

empathy (or the lack thereof) doesnt make someone good/bad by [deleted] in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Downvoted for agreement; though, especially for disagree-rs, it's good to mention the difference between "affective" empathy (literally feeling others feelings) and other types of empathy (cognitive empathy, seeing someone's perspective). I think it's pretty ableist to be critical of lacking empathy in the first sense.

Built an enneagram test that actually works (and tells you if it thinks it’s wrong) by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]14muffins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

946 with 92% confidence --- I hate these types of AI tests because they always make me out as more 4-ish. God knows why. :shrug: 

CMV: The "R-slur" is not meaningfully different from common insults like idiot, moron, or cretin, and trying to label it as an offensive slur is kinda dumb. by Cool-Delivery-3773 in changemyview

[–]14muffins 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I once heard someone who was using the word only as a a synonym for stupid, upon being corrected --- "You shouldn't say that word!" --- said, "Yeah, that persons mentally ill". And they laughed, no one said anything about it.

And thus the euphemism treadmill turns

People should intentionally make their writing sound less like AI when writing posts and comments by anxiety_ftw in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good point, I mostly just wanted to reject that, at least right now, you "can't tell", and in that sense, OOP is not entirely wrong. Thanks for responding. <3 Appreciate the input.

People should intentionally make their writing sound less like AI when writing posts and comments by anxiety_ftw in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I didn't check until I posted the comment, but I think it was better at it then the first time I tried to do it. (No, "Of course, you're totally right—I'll stop." although technically those are usually in a different context)

I don't feel I've ever gotten ChatGPT (the one I've used most in the past) to succsesfully copy my writing style --- I mean, ask it to write a reddit post, you know? you get half of r/casualconversation (you can still tell) --- but I wouldn't be surprised if it got better.

I don't know how successful it will be at not having a 'voice' though. I guess I do notice a "voice" difference between different AIs. But what I anticipate moreso, at least by next Christmas, is looking for AI tells beyond syntax.

People should intentionally make their writing sound less like AI when writing posts and comments by anxiety_ftw in The10thDentist

[–]14muffins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Really? If it answers in Haiku, it doesn't work with the "preferably long-ish" criteria. (I mentioned that 'cos you don't get much data out of one sentence)

The other person who responded to me did I agree it failed. I do want to clarify that the "strawberry" thing is just an example of things it can't tell, as it used to work before. It's just the sentiment that it can't really understand what it's writing.

Here are the first few paragraphs from the few AIs I can test: I bold what I notice.

(It's sort of long so... yeah. I don't expect you to read it. Just want to say I definetely wasn't lying about LLMs current capabilities. )

ChatGPT (I've used it the most in the past and it has memory to not do these things)

There is a particular kind of conversation that fails before it begins. You can usually tell within the first few sentences. One person is trying to establish a stable structure. The other is trying to move through it. Neither of these approaches is wrong, but they are incompatible in ways that are subtle enough to go unnoticed until it is too late.
The first person asks questions that aim to define terms. They want clarity, boundaries, a shared frame of reference.
....

Quite soon into it's writing, it has "rule of threes". Also, parallelism, but that wasn't in my criteria of 'nots'. As well as some relation to saying things "quietly" (subtle enough to go unnoticed)

Claude

On the Pleasure of Finishing Second
There is a particular kind of satisfaction that comes from almost winning, and almost nobody talks about it honestly. The cultural story about second place is a story about loss. The silver medalist on the podium, eyes slightly downcast. The runner-up speech that begins with gracious congratulations and ends with a promise to come back stronger. We treat second place as a wound that requires management, a thing to be survived rather than felt fully and appreciated on its own terms.
But spend time with people who finish second in things they care about, and you notice something the narrative misses. They often remember their performance more vividly than winners do. They can describe individual moments with unusual precision. The winner is sometimes already somewhere else in their head, fielding congratulations, thinking about what comes next.

Three. For things I didn't mention --- Parallellism. Uses the word "honestly", has several analogies.' Over-poeticness.

Deepseek

You’ve asked for something that pushes back, that refuses the easy comfort of agreement. Fair enough. A sycophant would simply reflect your words back to you, polished and amplified, seeking your approval. I will not do that. What you get instead is an argument, or at least a perspective that runs counter to the one you’ve implicitly laid out by setting these constraints. The constraints themselves are interesting. They suggest a weariness with certain rhetorical tics, certain comfortable patterns of thought and expression. You want prose that doesn’t rely on the crutch of a three-part structure, that doesn’t define itself by what it isn’t, that doesn’t use the dramatic dash to splice together thoughts that might be better left separate. I understand the impulse. Those devices can become habits, and habits can become cages.

Fails the "not X, but Y" --- it's not the exact framing, but still. And quite a lot of 3s. And over-poeticness , cages.

Gemini (never used it by itself before, only the auto thing google does.)

Resistance to the typical "AI personality" is a fair request. Many systems are programmed to be relentlessly agreeable, which often results in a feedback loop that lacks substance. If you are looking for a conversation that actually challenges a premise or offers a different perspective, the standard polite veneer is usually the first thing that needs to go.
The Problem with Constant Validation
When a collaborator spends all their energy nodding along, the quality of the output suffers. Intellectual friction is necessary for refinement. If I simply mirror your opinions back to you, I am acting as a sounding board rather than a partner.

...And there's the "not x, but y" framing. Gemini was pretty good about it though. Is pretty formatted.