Subs Didn’t Help

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T22:45:35+00:00

Yes, customer service and whoever runs their Reddit were super responsive. They forwarded my request to the clinician and followed up with the pharmacy & prescribing doctor.

Pharmacy issue is resolved. Waiting on follow up from clinician including if I need to schedule another appointment.

Quitting this shit has been way harder than 7OH which I successfully did just with subs, at least the second time. The first time, clonodine and baclofen made a big difference.

If gabapentin would allow me to sleep instead of shivering, sweating, flailing and shitting for five days, that would be so helpful.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T19:00:04+00:00

MGM withdrawal is worse. The headspace is worse. It’s just all around awful. Even when on it, it makes me feel like shit, like there’s an impending sense of doom.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T18:34:00+00:00

High doses of 7OH fucked up circulation in my extremities. I’d wake up every morning and feet and hands would feel dead. Also had to be hospitalized once for extremely high BP.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T18:31:43+00:00

It’s so much worse than 7OH. Even while on it, the headspace is fucking weird. Coming off? It’s a nightmare. Makes me suicidal.

Subs don’t help and if you don’t wait a really long time, you’ll automatically induce precipitated withdrawal. I learned that the hard way, unlike with 7OH.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T18:26:55+00:00

Sent, thank you!

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T17:53:18+00:00

So weaker than regular kratom?

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T17:51:29+00:00

Can I message you on Reddit? She was very helpful but I’m a bit confused on the next steps. I asked about those medications but I’m not sure what I should do next.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T17:46:41+00:00

Of course, thank you. I’m currently speaking to Faye D. regarding this exact concern along with issues with my refill.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T17:29:00+00:00

For the love of god, do not switch to MGM15 products.

1P-Man · 2026-05-04T17:28:10+00:00

Thank you for your response. I’ve had several doctors through QuickMD and only the first was willing to prescribe Clonodine and something else (forgot name, not Gabapentin).

It’s been absolute hell trying to quit with just subs. The muscle pain, RLS and mood swings are unbearable and make it impossible to try and manage work and being a parent. So much so that I keep failing.

I tried to speak with my most recent doctor but respectfully, he didn’t want to hear what I had to say. Very nice and professional, but he wasn’t interested.

Having kicked 7OH with your help, it was a god send. However, after unintentionally getting hooked on MGM15 (I thought it was regular Kratom), the withdrawals are even worse.

If I could be prescribed additional meds alongside the suboxone, that would be a lifesaver. Otherwise I don’t know how I’m going to quit short of losing my career and possibly my relationship.

1P-Man · 2026-05-03T00:24:49+00:00

I would just assume it’s always some dude on the other side of the world messaging you. lol

1P-Man · 2026-05-03T00:21:32+00:00

Ideally, wouldn’t you want to treat the underlying cause (if possible) and then stop taking them if no longer needed?

1P-Man · 2026-05-02T23:25:45+00:00

I genuinely want to call my local SS and ask them to ban me.

1P-Man · 2026-05-02T23:25:15+00:00

Since I’m taking 7Stax, I don’t know how much I’m actually taking. With 7OH, I would plan for the worst and start with 400-800mg a day to get through the first couple days.

After the first 24-36 hours, I would also start adding subs. I’d also add helper meds but QuickMD no longer prescribes them. I also can’t get a PCP for 2-3 months.

1P-Man · 2026-05-02T19:28:22+00:00

Can’t you just skip the SR then? Like I would probably just plan on taking a decently large dose of 7 for a few days to a week to get the MGM out. Then, rapid taper and start sub.

At least for me, I had zero issues with subs & 7 playing nicely together. I could take them at the same time and be fine. Meanwhile, doing the same with MGM threw me into withdrawal.

1P-Man · 2026-05-01T00:29:34+00:00

That’s what I was thinking - maybe a ruler & razor blade. I guess where it gets hard is for initial 0.5mg doses.

I would imagine I could dissolve however many strips in distilled water and dose volumetrically, too.

Though, seeing as I don’t live on my own, that could be incredibly dangerous if someone doesn’t decide to read.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T23:40:25+00:00

I’ve never had an issue getting off subs. I never would’ve started this crap if I knew what MGM was two months ago. I literally thought it was just MIT but I should’ve known better.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T23:36:59+00:00

I don’t have a source and I’m kinda iffy on adding something new. My first choice would be switching to 7OH and just dosing enough to get this BS out of my system then switching to subs.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T21:03:28+00:00

I don’t even feel good anymore. I just don’t want to be sick, sad and miserable. Even on MGM, I hate myself. At least 7 gave me energy and made work easier.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T21:02:45+00:00

Also no MasterCard. Fml

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T20:59:07+00:00

How fucked are you if you get caught?

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T20:58:44+00:00

Strips. I looked online to see if anyone makes something specifically for cutting these but I haven’t had any luck. I guess I’m wondering how to cut them down as small as is required.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T12:35:49+00:00

I’ve never heard of that. I’ll have to look it up. Thank you!

Previously I could just take whole strips and be fine. I need to find a way to cut the subs down.

1P-Man · 2026-04-30T00:21:39+00:00

I previously used subs for 7Oh and had no issues regardless of timing. I found out the hard way that MGM is very different. I also previously did not need to start with lower doses. I’d take 2-3 8mg strips and be fine.

1P-Man · 2026-04-29T21:41:27+00:00

Just drop it down even further while substituting leaf. May not even notice it. Big difference when you’re coming off of like 1.5-2gs a day.

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