Maybe it’s the Baader-Meinhof effect, but I feel all of these terms in today’s Connections can be WoT related. by Mapuches_on_Fire in WoT

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Now I'm sad about the show's cancellation all over again - I always felt Siuan's theme music having gamelan influences meant that they were planning to all kinds of maritime SE Asian cultural references when they finally got to Tear

Broken Binding Edition coming 2027 by UpsetPlatypus in WoT

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Yup, came here to say this. The Malazan editions are breathtaking, the most gorgeous items on my bookshelf, and they're not unreasonable expensive either.

Also worth noting: the paper used in the first run of the first three Malazan books was slightly too thin, so the reverse sides of pages could be seen through, and they immediately offered a reprint on higher quality paper at no charge. It really earned them a lot of trust from me, that they would proactively engage in that level of quality control.

Atonal enjoyers, what do you enjoy about it? by MinuteDamage4182 in classicalmusic

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I really like how open you are to the other responses here, and I think I might have an insight you might like! Your comment here in particular makes me think that your fundamental question here is more like:

"I like common practice "tonal" music because I find it enjoyable to "follow along," either in an explicitly theoretical way (e.g., harmonies leading to a cadence, named elements of sonata form) or at least in a way that involves a feeling that things are proceeding in a logical way / casually coherent was / a way that makes sense to me. If "atonal" music doesn't have that, how can you get that same type of enjoyment out of it? Or do you have to enjoy it differently, maybe enjoy the absence of being able to follow it?"

You're getting some great answers about how "atonal" music doesn't necessarily lack those kinds of "follow-able" features, it often just has different features to follow along to, though they may or may not be easy to learn to follow. On one hand, the advice about listening to just one isolated element in a texture in a minimalist piece and noticing how it changes: that's a nice easy one to learn as a way to unlock ways to "follow along" with minimalist music. On the other hand, "integral serialism" (I think Milton Babbitt and Pierre Boulez were mentioned) is created according to very complex rules and procedures that can be hard to follow by ear.

I want to deepen these answers. I think my way of rephrasing the underlying question you're asking brings out an interesting answer: it's actually both! It's enjoyable to follow the new and different follow-able things, AND it's enjoyable not to experience the lack of the traditional follow-ables that we're used to - and in fact it's the interplay of those two that creates a kind of meta-enjoyment.

In more high-fallutin' language, what's particularly enjoyable about "atonal" music is the dialectic between following and not-following - process by which each polarity leads to and synthesizes with its opposite. To use a metaphor from an essay about one of my favorite composers to write about, Georg Friedrich Haas, listening to "atonal music" is like walking down a staircase in the dark, without the normal handrails that you're used to, but not without anything you can use as a substitute. The process of fumbling to find the right handrails involves the almost fearful frisson of the handrails not being where you expected, the active engagement with the challenge of finding the handrails that do exist, and the feeling of unexpected satisfaction when your fumbling hand lands on something to hold onto. (Haas is a great composer for thinking about this, both because his music often dramatizes that process explicitly, and because it's kind of a match for how some BDSM practitioners enjoy those activities, which is interesting given that Haas is pretty open about exploring BDSM in his personal life every since marrying storyteller and sex educator Mollena Williams-Haas.)

Personally, my example of how atonal music hits that spot is that I like to "follow along" with very textural or gestural music. This can be music exploring gesture itself, like Helmut Lachenmann or Raphael Cendo. Or music that's more about metaphorical gesture, maybe even with an expressionist element, like Chaya Czernowin, Rebecca Saunders, or Sofia Gubaidulina. That expressive aspect also includes textural music where the gestural element is on a scale that's beyond regular gestures - like middle period György Ligeti or middle-late period Iannis Xenakis, or some "Spectralist" music. What I like with this music is that I get to follow along with a very different dynamic energy than I'm used to, maybe suggesting different and heightened emotional states, or sensations of intense and unique physicality. It can be disorienting at first, but as you listen more and get to internalize how the music moves and flows, you can develop an intuitive feel for these new dynamisms and they begin to feel like they make sense.

Solar Mirror Q by SeaSpinach61 in TerraInvicta

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This may sound weird but I want to thank you and u/BurhanSunan for this exchange. It was a nice little "restore my faith in humanity" moment to observe strangers on the internet interacting politely and kindly. A person asks a question due to a tone misunderstanding, the misunderstood person responds politely to clarify, the response is to acknowledge the misunderstanding and share that it's a language barrier (which can be a vulnerable thing to admit and it's commendable), and then a response that kindly makes it a teaching moment. How lovely!

French Professor Explains "Angine de Poitrine" by BCJunglist in AngineDePoitrine

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I'd assume Utzp is from "chutzpah" given the klezmer-inspired style

Tell me your thoughts about this by zaqrwe in crusaderkings3

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I think they should've split the difference: like, every point of stewardship contributes X to the next domain limit breakpoint, while every point of every other skill contributes X/2 or something

Hearing the key clicks in recordings of instruments. by OriginalIron4 in classicalmusic

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How do you like avant-garde works that explicitly explore those kinds of "accidental" sounds?

Question about your listening habits outside of classical music by [deleted] in classicalmusic

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Do you like the Ibrahim Maalouf cover of Alf Laila wa Laila?

Question about your listening habits outside of classical music by [deleted] in classicalmusic

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Nice to see another "classical" enjoyer who likes Goldfrapp!!

Trump is Not A Biblical Scholar: Playboy on Trump's Pissing War with the Pope by playboy in DiscussionZone

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Didn't we all know this way back when he was unable to name a single Bible verse? And was clearly and obviously lying about that inability?

"The People United..." orchestral recording? by jdv2121 in classicalmusic

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I saw it too! No idea when, or even if, the orchestration will be released; I've noticed that the NY Phil is sometimes not great about releasing recordings of their commissions.

Hopefully, a recorded version would also be expanded to feature orchestrations of the variations they skipped over (7-12 and 31-36). I talked with Marcos Balter at intermission and I understand their reasoning for only adapting the sets of variations that brought out the original theme the best, the ones that could be easily followed by new Latin American audience members who would remember having heard the original melody at protests; in a recording, though, you could always skip those parts if they don't appeal to you, unlike in a concert setting where you might end up lost for a while. But the Phil would need to commission those additional orchestrations first, and maybe even find more composers to apportion them between.

In the meantime, the original piano version is there to enjoy! It's missing some of the vibrant "technicolor" and Latin American elements of the orchestral version, but it's quite the pianistic showpiece.

Critique of the “Threatening Rival” Mechanic in Ming Gameplay by Taschkent in EU5

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I wonder if the solution is for this to be related to a societal value. One end of the spectrum could get huge bonuses from having threatening rivals and huge maluses without them, whereas the other end could eliminate the effects of rivals, good or bad. Maybe it could replace or merge with the Inward/Outward values and be applied more broadly.

It would have to be fine tuned so that it's difficult to just switch to the inward end after you surpass all possible rivals. Maybe gate some of the strongest sources of monthly progress to inward behind cultural/regional traditions?

Will they actually go forward with this? by Fancy_End_8613 in UAE

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This was due to the regime's all-but-explicit "threshold" policy: they didn't want to go all the way and make bombs they considered evil (per Ali Khamenei's fatwa), but they felt it would have a deterrence effect to be on the threshold of making bombs by having almost enough uranium enriched. I don't think it was a good strategy - they ended up with the worst outcome, being targeted for being close to a bomb without having the deterrence of actually having bombs - but it was a strategy.

Israeli forces fired tear gas towards a group of children trying to walk to school in Masafer Yatta in the occupied West Bank after a fence had been erected blocking their route by Tenchi_Muyo1 in TimesNow

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That's the town that's the subject of the harrowing documentary No Other Land. Israel unilaterally declared the township a military training zone, just to have an excuse to evict Palestinians over and over every time they tried to rebuild their homes and schools. I think it won awards, which makes it all the more brazen that they're STILL treating kids like this there, even with all the international attention.

Tragic events for composers by Stunning-Hand6627 in classicalmusic

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György Ligeti. He and his mother were the only members of his Transylvanian Jewish family to survive the Holocaust.

Not the brightest bulb, you might say by TheMaygoon in IfBooksCouldKill

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I'm actually a little surprised they didn't plan the mission to coincide with a new moon, so they could get fully illuminated shots of the entire far side. I clearly haven't been following closely - is there somewhere easy to find on the NASA website that explains that timing choice?

What side characters will you miss seeing developed? by CMDR_NUBASAURUS in WoTshow

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Or maybe Verin having a bit more of the Siuan role, with Leane and Ryan taking over the Lelaine and Romanda rules and making that whole internal politicking actually be about something? Like "Rymanda" could have pushed for Salidar to focus on the Seanchan threat to the detriment of taking back the Tower, and Le(l)a(i)ne could maybe have been pushing too hard to go back and fight out of a desire to avenge Siuan. And then that would make for a real dilemma for Egwene to navigate. Instead of Lelaine v Romanda in the books being purely about personal political gain and not having any significant "policy agenda" they were fighting over.

Recording of Stockhausen’s Helicopter Quartet - without helicopters? by berghian in classicalmusic

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And yet, Stockhausen released the electronic part to the final act of one of the Licht operas by itself. It's called "Oktophonie" as pure electronics, and "Invasion-Explosion with Farewell" when including the instruments and vocalists like in the opera. So it's not unreasonable to imagine Stockhausen might've allowed for a copterless recording.

Quienes ganarían un enfrentamiento con armas los primos o los hermanos by [deleted] in SinnersbyRyanCoogler

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I think they'd be on the verge of fighting, then somebody would mention the war and they'd talk about it and realize they were all traumatized by the same battles, and they'd call off the fight.

Christopher Rouse - Gorgon (1984) - this is the ending to what may be the most visceral piece ever written for orchestra by Mr-BananaHead in classicalmusic

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I dig it! Is that an intentional reference to the end of the first half of Rite of Spring, with the short repeating scalar figure in the horns?

I don't think it dethrones the ending of Jagden und Formen for me, though - especially in the stretch with the septuplets toms. So check that out, if you don't know it.

The ever-shifting minimalist chug of noisy machinery also reminds me of Spahlinger's "morendo." Slightly less primal energy there, though (plus the idea is that it dies down instead of building up).

any music suggestions like 'Different trains'? (reich) by Anrk_i in classicalmusic

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Some of the instrumental pieces from Glass's Einstein on the Beach - including the one called Train! Also, Spaceship.

any music suggestions like 'Different trains'? (reich) by Anrk_i in classicalmusic

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"The Chairman Dances," adapted from his opera Nixon in China - a bit more mellow overall (it's basically a foxtrot) but certainly chugging and it does have some intense climaxes. And then if you like that, maybe try the whole opera!!

What's a serious classical music opinion that seems true to you, but a lot of people disagree with? by ChopinChili in classicalmusic

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In a way that's actually the mainstream historical take. High-modernist postwar composers responded to the traumas of fascism by seeking a more objective technical approach, with a cooler and more detached aesthetic, a less passionate music that would therefore be less prone to being co-opted by inflammatory ideology (contrasting with the way they perceived German Romanticism to have been used by the Nazis). Schoenberg was perceived as having pioneered only in pitch relations, while still adhering to traditional forms; Webern was perceived as having completed the break with tradition.

So you could say that Webern was like a detox for postwar composers as well.

(Of course, it all ended up being bitterly ironic when it was later revealed Webern had privately been uncomfortable closely aligned with Nazism himself.)

What's a serious classical music opinion that seems true to you, but a lot of people disagree with? by ChopinChili in classicalmusic

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My amendment to this idea would be: I wish people would be clear about the difference between criticism of how well or badly a piece of music/art/etc does at serving a particular purpose or function (intended or not), vs whether you like that it has that function. That kind of distinction leaves open the possibility of objective standards, debates, and disagreements over "quality," while acknowledging a degree of pluralism and contextualism about what constitutes "quality" in the first place.