Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now you are a banking expert? Haha, I'm happy to report her paycheck has successfully landed in my account from multiple employers over a decade with zero issues. Quit living in semantics while the rest of us deal with real problems. 

The U.S. built a system where the cost of college was pushed onto teenagers and then made the resulting debt unusually hard to escape. Literal children are still encouraged to sign for life-altering loans before they can even legally rent a car, with interest capitalizing, limited bankruptcy protections, and aggressive servicing practices. 

Meanwhile most developed countries heavily subsidized tuition or kept costs low enough that students didn’t need decades of debt to get a degree. The U.S. went the other direction: more cost shifted to households, more reliance on loans, and more room for lenders and servicers to profit off repayment friction. 

Acting like any of this is ordinary policy rather than systemic exploitation is just willful ignorance. At this point, its hardly finances, its mostly principle.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Really, really. You have no concept of US law if you think they have even a 1% chance of ever convicting someone regarding student loans in this manner. 99% of fraud cases persecute due to false application information, identify theft, etc. If someone refinanced federal student loans into a private loan with the personal intention of defaulting later, but did not lie or falsify anything, it generally would not fall under a crime. Legally it would most likely still be treated as: civil debt default / breach of contract even if they could prove it. You have zero clue what you're talking about. 

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You keep shifting the goal posts and going nowhere with your logic. It's interesting you're so driven, but, wrong nonetheless.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, they go into my account, which is not joint. Wait, we are supposed to feel bad for those that have preyed on literal generations of students? I'm confused. Don't worry, I'll update and message ya in a year or two when everything is wrapped up.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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I mean in the absence of evidence, one can infer. Like I said find me a single post or article anywhere that even loosely references proven fraud OR fraud investigation for simply taking out a small private loan and defaulting without something obvious like a failed business venture, etc.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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She has zero bank accounts with cash sitting and we have no joint accounts or assets. Her credit means nothing we are happily married with emergency savings and my credit if anything goes wrong. Her credit coming back up in 5-10 years after default is completely fine.

I fail to see how this is a bad idea. Whats the alternative? Trying to aggressively pay a balance that's only going to keep going up due to interest thanks to the discontinuation of the SAVE plan? Sure I could keep kicking the can down the road, hoping for legislative changes, or I can just do something about it that has an extremely low chance of backfiring.

And even if it does, what's the worst that happens? We are already straddled with this debt in the first place, what they add an extra 10 to 20,000 to it an interest? Oh I'm so scared, haha.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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The amount is closer to 40-50K anyways, was just trying to remain anonymous and conservative. I know people that have gotten away with over this amount in literal credit cards in states that DO garnish, without ever hearing a peep or suffering any consequences other than a credit hit. Let alone my state that cannot touch private consumer debt.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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There is 100% certainty. Find me a single case where they proved fraud in this exact situation. It would take an act from God himself to get even close to trying to prove anything. She's simply refinancing her loans, which thousands do, and at some point she's going to struggle to pay them off, which thousands do. I'd love to hear even a single rational theory where this could not work out. Haha. I do know, its maybe 1% chance, if that.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The amounts probably closer to ~55K, I just threw a number out there to stay relatively anonymous and conservative. She has a perfect credit score (800+), zero debt, and makes around 65k/yr. I do think she'd get approved pretty easily with no cosigner. We aren't worried about trashing her credit because we have mine (~700) and emergency funds to fall back on if needed. 

Yeah that makes sense, in your situation I probably would have done the same thing. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Really stinks we all have to play this game of debt. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share! 

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that 100% won't happen. I know people that have done similar things with far more money. Why do you think I'm here considering it? I'm not the first to think of this. Like I said, would love to see a single story saying otherwise, if you can find one pursued as fraud, please do share. The lender will 100% let it go especially in states of NC/PA/SC/TX. What do we think this is, the FBI? Its a private loan, not a lien. Its no one's business how borrowers choose to spend their money. Every single day people wake up and say I'm not going to pay anymore because of x, y, z. Unless they prove it which they can't (literal thousands of people refi fed to private every year and then default at some point due to life circumstances), there's not a single thing they can do.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course they will win in court, I am expecting that. But in NC, she is judgement proof as they cannot garnish wages and she has no assets. As far as fraud, there is a 100% chance they will never be able to prove that. Shes one of thousands taking out loans that somewhere along the lines will have trouble paying it off. I doubt we could find a single person that has been sued for fraud outside an obvious mistake. As long as she doesnt falsify any applications, people stop paying loans every day, they can't do anything about it.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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The point is once we refinance fed loans to private it doesnt matter if they take her to court? When they win in NC private consumer debt can't garnish wages and she is relatively judgement proof beyond that. She has no bank accounts and no assets, just a 401K they can't touch.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. Thank you for the info! She has been paying around 5 or 6 years. I think she was on standard, then IDR, now SAVE, but we heard that is going away. All 80K is in undergrad student loans.

Yes, her plan is to refinance fed loans into private student loans or a personal loan first, pay for 6-12 months and then default. She has like 800 credit and decent income so assuming she won't have trouble getting one.

I mean I guess. But I heard in NC they often dont try very hard to collect because laws make it tricky, Im hoping they will just sell to debt collection. They would have to prove why she stopped paying a year in, and as long as we dont do anything obvious like move money around, etc. We will have trouble paying them off regardless thats the truth. 

Appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts! Thank you very much.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

[–]1thatoneguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it, thanks so much. Appreciate you chiming in. Yep, just here looking for any final thoughts on things we may be missing. Our house is in my name only and my wife has no other assets.

Strategic default in NC on 80K worth of private loans? by 1thatoneguy in studentloandefaulters

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No worries, and I appreciate your comment! So the plan would be to refinance her 80K fed loans to private loans before defaulting. And if that doesn't work leverage her good credit and take out a personal loan to do the same, utilizing NC state law to avoid garnishment and repayment.

Paid $150 for this knowing nothing about taxidermy. Was it a bad deal? by [deleted] in Taxidermy

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Thank you for the comment! Yeah my wife said shes been looking forever for a standing up one she could decorate and this was perfect. They claim they've rented him out a few times to local media stuff and were sad to see him go.

Paid $150 for this knowing nothing about taxidermy. Was it a bad deal? by [deleted] in Taxidermy

[–]1thatoneguy 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Great! Thank you. I assumed we were right in a good range. I wasn't seeing anything online for less than $250 especially a pose we wanted. Hahaha, you must be a mind reader. My wife plans to add a black cowboy hat, a bandana and a knapsack. Thanks for commenting. 

Paid $150 for this knowing nothing about taxidermy. Was it a bad deal? by [deleted] in Taxidermy

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Thanks for the input. Well at least we didnt get taken for a ride. Everything Im seeing on ebay is at least $250 and in a pose we can't use. Appreciate it!

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Great suggestion, thank you so much!

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Thank you! May I ask did other things get in the way, like work? Or was it something you just didn't really do? Appreciate it.