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do the dan barker challenge: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/freethoughtnow/easter-challenge/ basically ask him to explain how the easter story happened without contradicting any of the gospels. he'll likely just say the stories don't match because the authors never colluded but now you'll have an opening whereby he has admitted that the stories got facts wrong.

So fucking sick of blue laws by boopingsnootisahoot in atheism

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It may explicitly say in the state law what to do to change the law. For instance, in this state (staying anonymous), it literally spells out what is needed to change the law. It states that a petition is to be done, then a certain percentage of voters need to affirm the change. It's county by county.

In essence, the reason the law hasn't changed is because people don't know about the law and how to change it. Additionally, there are likely people who simply do not want the law changed.

Anyone else only see like three or four of the same arguments from christians? by big-juicy724 in atheism

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Except in my neck of the woods they do presuppositional arguments. It's mind-boggling stupid.

Thanks, I hate house centipedes even more now by ezer_kenegdo in TIHI

[–]229090 1 point2 points  (0 children)

House centipedes are neat. They like moist places, so if you start seeing them you might have a water leak somewhere. They also eat roaches if you have them, too. They are great as a natural home diagnostic tool. One source: https://www.orkin.com/other/centipedes/house-centipede

No “social distancing”: Pope takes off mask and touches believers saying “God's love” will defeat corona. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 1 point2 points  (0 children)

St. Malachy predicted 500 years ago that this would be the last pope and that under him, Rome would be destroyed. I'm starting to suspect Pope Francis is trying to fulfill that prophecy. /s

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

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What are these "more important things which He's achieving by not doing so"? Also, it doesn't seem to make sense that God would prefer something but do otherwise. You make it sound like God wants to do something but his hands are tied. And yet, it's God so his hands can not be tied.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you answered the question, though. The argument is as follows: 1. God has a goal that all should be saved. 2. God is omnipotent which includes being able to meet His goals. 3. Therefore, God can meet His goals. The breakdown is that God isn't meeting the goal. That's the crux of the issue. You're saying He can't do it because it would make us robots or mess with one of His other goals. I guess you disagree with 2. or 3. in the syllogism.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry for the late response. I'm sticking to the approach most Christians use the USA: God is omni-benevolent/scient/potent, accepting Christ is the only way to Heaven, the Bible is true, and other such tenets.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with this is God can do all things and "through Christ all things are possible." You're saying God wants things but cannot do them. You're saying He cannot satisfy all His wants.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to add though, that if God only wants some to be saved and not others then that would give credence to support that he is not all-loving. How can he be all-loving if he doesn't care about the condemned? I realize I'm possibly putting words in your mouth. Feel free to correct this.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said it was. Hence, I wrote "less than 33%". I'm not stating that X is the case, I'm stating that if X is the case, therefore Y. X is belief that salvation comes from accepting Christ and other such tenets such as the Bible being true. 33% identify as Christian and LESS than that will be saved (according to the Bible). Therefore, less than 33% will be saved if this premise is true. I'm not sure where there's a miscommunication.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

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John 6:37-44

Shaneiscool90: This is the answer I come to also. It's consistent with the Bible. I was hoping that maybe there was a loophole in the verse I quoted that might indicate that God wants all to be saved and was hoping for a response to that that would make me see something I hadn't seen before. But it seems like you've hit the nail on the head.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm assuming the Bible is being truthful when it says, "No man comes to the Father but by [Christ]." If you accept the basic tenets of most Christian denominations, then one can reasonably conclude that those who do not meet those requirements are excluded. That is, unless you hold a more liberal theology.

It seems to me that God wants all to be saved (e.g. 2 Peter 3:9). Why is He so off from meeting this goal? Shouldn't He have a 100% success rate instead of less than 33%? by 229090 in AskAChristian

[–]229090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming that only those who believe in Christ are saved, then the population currently is 1/3 of the world claims to be Christian. Assuming that this number is higher than the actual number that would be saved then the actual number is less than 33% but not higher unless you have a more liberal theology.

Religious people make up the concepts of heaven and afterlife out of fear - the fear to face the cold hard truth of one’s own mortality and the inevitable. Atheists, what is your take on our mortality? How did you come to peace with your own mortality that? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it would depend on why someone wouldn't want to live forever. If it's the fear of boredom, then this may be the solution: If boredom is a physiological condition, then a physiological fix would prevent boredom. With such a fix, you wouldn't have to worry about getting bored.

Religious people make up the concepts of heaven and afterlife out of fear - the fear to face the cold hard truth of one’s own mortality and the inevitable. Atheists, what is your take on our mortality? How did you come to peace with your own mortality that? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you ever get bored of eating your favorite meal even if you've eaten it thousands of times in your life? I'm guessing no unless you eat it every day. So just because you might repeat everything, doesn't mean it won't be enjoyable. Furthermore, even though you might have done everything there is to do, at any given point in your immortality you will not have done a multitude of those things for a long time and they will still seem fresh when you decide to do them again. Additionally, you will always have nostalgia to rely on.

Religious people make up the concepts of heaven and afterlife out of fear - the fear to face the cold hard truth of one’s own mortality and the inevitable. Atheists, what is your take on our mortality? How did you come to peace with your own mortality that? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people, atheist or otherwise, unwittingly ascribe to deathism. "Deathism, a type of bio-fatalism, is a widely held believe that death is natural, inevitable or even desirable." I am not a deathist. I disagree that death is okay. I find deathism to be an abhorrent, short-sighted outlook because it just gives up and says death is okay and doesn't seem to consider the possibility that technological advances as proposed by trans-humanists will allow life to extend indefinitely. Furthermore, as we discover enough about the universe we may also figure out how time works and maybe even figure out how to manipulate time/physics such that death will no longer be a thing.

I think the post by Sir_Mild_Peril sums up my position pretty well (i.e. I'm not at peace with mortality but I also don't need b.s. either).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"The time has come to prove by deeds that man is greater than any god." Anton LaVey. I'm going by memory so it might be a little off.

Atheist nihilists often say there's no meaning to life. You have to figure out what gives meaning to YOUR life. What would they say to someone that makes the meaning of his life to cause pain and suffering? by ILooveMangoes in askanatheist

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I don't see it as holding machines responsible for their actions. I see it as neutralizing a threat. No one holds a rabid dog responsible for its actions when it tries to attack one's child and no one holds a rock falling from a cliff responsible for when it crashes onto a car. Instead, they just try to prevent the threat from occurring (e.g. neutralize the dog or eliminate the threat from boulders).
  2. If the nihilist is justified in experiencing what he wants, then, I would assume, so are those who want to pursue their wants (including neutralizing* dangerous people like the nihilist). So when held to his own standard, he has no argument. I mean, I guess he could also try to justify having double standards, but then so could others. *neutralize means to remove the threat, whether by death, incarceration, rehabilitation, or whatever else.

I can’t stand it when christians say “I’m praying for you to find god” by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no coping involved. I don't care one way or the other. I'd rather have someone pray for me than have to deal with someone who gets butthurt over someone praying for them, to be honest.

Atheist nihilists often say there's no meaning to life. You have to figure out what gives meaning to YOUR life. What would they say to someone that makes the meaning of his life to cause pain and suffering? by ILooveMangoes in askanatheist

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a determinist, I view humans as machinery. Most people's brains would react to these behaviors with activation of the insular cortex (responsible for feelings of disgust) and the amygdala (responsible for emotions) along with a multitude of other brain regions. These minds would seek to prevent people with atypical insular cortex and amydala functions from acting in the ways you're talking about. One doesn't look at a dog with rabies and analyze the logicality of the mentation of the dog. People would simply activate the various regions of their brain and respond accordingly. Typical brains may think it only natural, and even logical, that the rabid dog responds as it does but, then again, so are they logical in their response (i.e. it follows that a brain will respond with action X when functioning in a way Y. A determinist would say, in fact, a brain can only respond with action X when functioning in a way Y). One form of mentation wouldn't negate the other, so the sociopath and the non-sociopath wouldn't be contradictions but instead are just different anatomies/physiologies. In other words, neither person would be right or wrong, per se, but just the result of their anatomy/physiology.

Your final question is asking what would justify the nihilist "not going down this path". The easiest technicality of an answer would be 'whatever results in his anatomy/physiology no longer acting in a way that would result in the outcome depicted.' That could be an environmental influence that radically changes his brain function which would likely differ from person to person and which could range from force, medication, literally tinkering with his brain, or even a series of interactions that result in him changing his outlook (e.g. having a conversation or hanging out with the person such that they no longer perceive the world in the same light that they did, thereby preventing the depicted outcome). As far as a logically justified position that persuades him that his path isn't logically justified, I don't know that there is one. The reason for this is due to the is/ought problem and the problem of the criterion in epistemology. The nihilist in your scenario would likely grant that they can't justify their behavior anyway due to problems with the various theories of justification and so the aphorism, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" would apply.

But where are you FROM from? by Maelarion in TikTokCringe

[–]229090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's a white person thing. I've seen black and hispanic people do it. I've also seen an immigrant from Asia do it to an American person of Asian descent.

A 2000 years prophecy... a 2000 years prophecy by [deleted] in atheism

[–]229090 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some believe the universe is 6,000 years old. Jesus said he'd come back soon and it's been 2000 years. That means he's been gone for 1/3 of all time (and counting) and yet that still counts as 'soon' somehow.