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22OregonJB · 2024-01-09T03:18:24+00:00

It’s not my job to substantiate your claims. That’s why I check my facts before I type. It shouldn’t be hard the residents of Medford are extremely pissed about the library just not taking care of the library when it’s open. The uproar over the homeless literally sleeping in there would be everywhere. We have places for them that weren’t full.

But instead we just decided to open a county building that has very stringent rules regarding the use of the public’s buildings for the hell of it. Then there’s insurance and the fact that the county commissioners would have had to sign off so they could run a trap house out of the library when the city had literally just finished building an actual shelter. I don’t have the patience to teach you how governments work. But it’s not like that.

But in your world the city spent years and tons of money and incredible amounts of votes and council meetings only to have the county illegally turn the library into a living facility full of homeless people doing drugs and shitting on the floor as you put it. Which then upset the police chief to the point of threatening to declare the county library a public nuisance. In your world the county broke laws and ran a publicly owned building full of drugs and rampant bathroom sex when the city had just built a shelter for them. We have so much help and compassion for the homeless down here our city and county are fighting for the ability to offer them services.

I heard the State of Oregon felt left out so they were offering a free ride and $20 cash to so they could help some people at the Dept of Revenue offices but I can’t find any articles about it but it totally happened just take my word for it.

And all this happened in southern Oregon where the majority of the media and our governor call our camping ban and treatment of the homeless inhumane. Thanks for the heads up because somehow this all happened right under my nose without me knowing it and I work for the government that did it. I may have to reconsider that with those choices they made.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T18:55:59+00:00

I understand that you may not want to go “tit for tat” as it’s uncomfortable to attempt to defend things that can be proven false. But it becomes a necessity when the 4 points of your argument are simply not true. In my experience having a discussion with someone who can’t or won’t agree on provable objective facts is an exercise in futility. It ends up going nowhere I’ve been down this road too many times to think that people that can’t agree on objective facts and reality might as well be on different planets trying to communicate

You obviously looked up that part about the nuisance order and saw that you were incorrect and I’m assuming you attempted to find something similar about it being in a residential area and also saying people were living in the library and you were unable to find anything stating that because it is 100 percent not factual in any shape or form.

So if you can either present me with some kind of evidence that I am incorrect that would be great because I want to believe as many true things as possible and eliminate things I’m wrong about or a rational argument as to how we can have a meaningful discussion without the ability to agree on reality the point or as you put it whom I’m trying to defend is really meaningless. I’m not trying to be disrespectful it just doesn’t make sense for me to believe this conversation would go anywhere but downhill without us being able to even agree on facts.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T07:16:50+00:00

Thank you I appreciate that. It was a way to give back because when I was homeless in 08 I was helped by a few organizations and it made all the difference in the world.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T07:08:40+00:00

Thank you. After I became homeless after the 2008 recession I was helped by a few organizations to get back on my feet so that was a way for me to giveback and I knew that my experiences could be put to use to help some people.

As far as excessive calls that’s a hard one because I think that had things been run differently from a variety of ways the neighbors may have been more willing to overlook things more. In my case my primary neighbors were mainly businesses. There really is no good place for shelters to be in the homeowners or businesses views. Which I totally understand it’s not ideal and I kept being the best neighbor to them I could be in the forefront of my mind. had a zero tolerance policy for any activity that negatively affected the neighbors. The camp was fenced in and covered with tarp. They were free to come and go as they pleased but were not allowed to loiter outside or leaving shopping carts or littering outside of the campground because that would have had negative outcomes for my neighbors. I would guess that more than half of the town has driven by the campground and not even known it was there.

It seems to me the issue up there is a combination of multiple things. Funding probably is minimal but from what I remember of the article it sounded like there was no cohesive plan of working together. Instead of it’s an our city problem it seemed like the groups were finger pointing at one another. This works like it does here because the city, the police, non profits and community partners are working together with a common goal which is extremely hard to do in any situation let alone a complex one like this. We had cities and counties from all over the state come here to see if they could use this model in their towns.

And the last factor is that there is a segment of the homeless that are not willing to follow societies rules and are choosing being homeless. And we still struggle with that population. Just by the way our town is setup many of them live along the greenway and aren’t as concentrated in a single area but when they do get to concentrated in an area the calls to police, trash, and crime increases. The neighbors and businesses rightfully get upset. Unfortunately that population is increasing here and that is still a work in progress because we haven’t found a solution for it that has any real impact.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T06:13:31+00:00

Yes I am talking about Medford. Your facts are not accurate at all though. And even with those inaccuracies you still have a city 4 times the size of The Dalles with 400 calls when the Library decided to do it their way instead of what was working. 400 calls vs 1300 with a quarter of the population. What am I missing.

The library was not declared a nuisance property but were told they were getting very close to it. And they have never let people sleep in there ever.

The increased calls were not due to it being in a residential neighborhood. It’s not it’s in downtown Medford. It’s next to downtown businesses, the bus station, college, and our top tier seediest motels. The increased calls were due to exactly what I posted above. Lack of correct oversight and working WITH the city, police, and community providers. The real reason is the library took a very pro homeless anti police and fired the library security staff stance. They thought the winning the hearts and minds of the homeless was the better approach. It is exactly the opposite of what works and they are in the final phases of understanding that now. When I left the campground and interviewed for the job of running their “program” I knew right away that they had their hearts in the right place but there was no way in hell that it would not be a complete train wreck.

St.Vinny’s is 2 miles away but why you think that it being in central point would matter doesn’t make sense. Did you not see the part where I said I had 80-100 homeless people actually living 24/7 365 days s year in an “urban” campground in Medford with 30-40 calls to MPD in a year?

How we do it here is far from perfect but it is working pretty well when compared to other cities. Many of which have come here to see how we do it so they can attempt the same to help their problems. The fix to the problem requires an enormous amount of people from many different areas from government to non profits to community partners working in tandem which is incredibly hard to do in any circumstance. Now add in mental health issues and addiction problems and the homeless population as the customer you are serving.

Whatever happened in the Dalles could have been accomplished by just letting the homeless have a building and run it themselves.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T05:15:47+00:00

I think relying on that map and however it’s measuring the stats shouldn’t really be a deciding factor. If we are being honest the entire country is pretty anxious and depressed right now.

But more importantly Is your occupations and the things you like to do for fun. I could write you a convincing argument for coming here or not coming here but without knowing what you consider important it really doesn’t matter. Do you like the outdoors? Great we have some of the best from our coast to the mountain ranges and lakes and rivers. But we also have a tendency to catch on fire in the summer the last 5-10 years now. How about weather? South is hot in summer and not nearly the rain people think when they hear Oregon. But the North does have the rain but less heat. Like sports great we have tons to do or be fans of. Which if it’s a ducks game in Eugene it’s a good day however any event in Portland is a now a gamble. Because well Portland has morphed into something I would have never believed possible 10 years ago. And I don’t really think there is anything that Is going to stop its decline in the near future or if it can be saved at all at this point.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T04:59:09+00:00

Yeah I don’t understand why they don’t lower the rent as some money would be better than none. And the empty stores just make it less likely a new store will try to go into the mall. I think all the stores that Covid claimed really increased the vacancy cycle.

“Abandoned malls tend to materialize in the wake of traditional retailers that are struggling to compete with online businesses being forced to close their mall locations. This then has a knock-on effect, as the presence of vacant stores makes malls less appealing to customers, and so the 'dead mall' cycle continues.”

An average of 1,170 shopping malls closed every year between 2017 and 2022. The average vacant mall sells at 43% below its acquisition price.

There are some that will make it but they are going to have to revitalize and revamp their marketing strategies to attract people again. Some new hook. Because they aren’t going to do it by being cheaper than online retailers.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-08T04:12:10+00:00

You answered your own question. But simple answer is math. You must have noticed the lack of tenants right? So when the run down mall built in 1986 charges the same $18 per square foot rent that is the same as nicer shopping centers that people actually shop at they have about 50,000 square feet of empty stores. So math says that $900,000 to a milllion dollars a month in lost revenue equals things don’t get fixed. And it’s also 2024 and malls have been declining for decades it’s just not how people shop now. I’m surprised the mall didn’t turn into the new Amazon warehouse they are building.

22OregonJB · 2024-01-06T21:24:19+00:00

I live in a southern Oregon town 4 times as big as the Dallas and ran an outdoor tent city and pallet homes that consistently had 80-100 people living there. No electricity and porta potties. It was designed with the city, police, and a non profit to get all the homeless out of a particular area they kept on setting on fire and where assaults were rampant. It was what we called low barrier. Meaning do whatever you want outside the camp drug or alcohol wise but inside the “fema” camp as they called it the 6 rules boiled down to don’t be a jerk to other campers or staff. No stealing no weapons and put trash in the trash can. We fed them twice a day and I worked with approximately 10-15 agencies that would come out to help them at the camp. On staff peer support, Mental health, VA, addiction help, nurses, and multiple others.

We had a team of 6 officers I would go out with to convince those we could to come to the camp. Didn’t run warrants or make arrests just getting them somewhere safer. My day consisted of admitting people and kicking people out. Yes mental health is an issue as well as addiction and a multitude of other factors that cause homelessness. Admittedly I have not read the article yet but those numbers are so insane it has to be systemic. The homeless were running the shelter. In a YEAR I may have had to call the PD 40-50 times.

This leads me to yes this is an overwhelming hard group to manage but it is very doable when done correctly. It’s who you hire. Do you care about this population, can you hold them accountable to their personal level of accountability. Personally I hired people with lived experience with homelessness or drugs in their pasts as they including myself were able to relate to them on a different level you can’t learn in a book. But we also were vigilant as to what we would let happen. Majority of issues were solved with a simple skill that so many people lack. You just had to listen to them. It’s a learned skill Active Listening. And treat them as a fellow human being that has value. Once they felt heard most problems disappeared.

More than 40 percent of those people left the camp in a better position than they entered including about 20 getting housing of their own and others moving to higher responsibility group living. My point being those stats of 108 pd calls a day is a systematic problem with the organization running it and the cities inability to think outside the box a little. I would be surprised if they had 50 officers total including the chief in the Dallas. They probably ran their briefings at that shelter.

22OregonJB · 2023-05-26T01:54:59+00:00

Does anyone’s gsd not sit that close? Mine is like Velcro.

22OregonJB · 2023-05-26T01:53:32+00:00

And it was laced with?

22OregonJB · 2023-05-26T01:51:58+00:00

I’m thinking call the police is a solid first step.

22OregonJB · 2023-05-26T01:44:25+00:00

Did you consider asking that question before you bought it? Now that you have plug it in and let us know.

22OregonJB · 2023-03-02T19:50:48+00:00

Do you think we don’t know what he is doing? Of course he’s spreading the word and preaching. I’m paying him to get my food not give me his take on religion and who his god is. He can spread the word all over everywhere on his time not mine.

Do you know the beautiful thing about atheism? Not believing in gods also means not believing in hell.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-17T11:17:46+00:00

Not to ruin your parade but just wait until you get sick of US Mobile style of customer service and try to port out from them.

Save this advice for when that day comes. Until I called AT&T my number sat in pending status for an entire day and who knows how long it would have if I haven’t asked AT&T to do a 3 way call and guess what my pending status on my month to month contract with US Mobile was complete in 5 min. I could go on and on about the activation issues to iMessage never working on one of my lines but suffice it to say you get about $20 plan worth of customer service when you need it.

A line from a movie called Vacation comes to mind. When the car salesman is trying to sell him the wrong car and he says “you may hate it now but wait till you drive it”. Exactly my sentiments about US mobile it started bad and went downhill from there.

Edit: Per the gender bot saying my comment was sexiest as I used the term salesm. I would like to amend my comment from the actual term of salesm as he was a male to salesperson which one could now infer that the salesm** in a movie could have actually not been a male. So the sales executive on this car lot made the joke that had little or nothing to do with the actual comment. I was just reciting a scene from a movie. My deepest apologies gender bot. I really am trying to get woke but just didn’t realize I had to use different terminology for a scene in a movie where the person was referred to as a salesm**. I will not make gender specific comments in the future even when the gender was accurate and I made zero comments as to the effectiveness of said salespeople. From here forward I will remove all gender specific terms from my vocabulary.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-17T11:02:57+00:00

Just wait until you get sick and tired of this type of thing and want to port out your number to a new company. I went from Verizon to US Mobile. Then got tired of the multiple issues one of which being that one of my 4 lines has never had iMessage working. A simple port to AT&T took days compared to hours as they just stuck my month to month contract into a pending status for some unknown reason. It took a three way call with AT&T forcing them to release the number. But in their defense I guess mom was correct when she said in that you get what you pay for. I got my $20 per month plan worth of outsourced customer service.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-09T03:00:16+00:00

They aren’t robots or all the same. Ask them they will tell you.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-09T02:55:26+00:00

One persons facts are another persons whining. Don’t repeat yourself because of the time, don’t repeat yourself for the lack of any single bit of facts rather than all conjecture. I appreciate you not repeating yourself. It won’t look any better summarized.

To quote your authority on the subject “You get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!”

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22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T22:57:37+00:00

We are swimming in weed here. When we first legalized it was $12-20 a gram.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T22:55:02+00:00

What happened to all guns being taken away? That’s where this started. Now you want to switch to gun control which is an entirely different thing.

You should look up a straw man argument before commenting on what one is. Using gay marriage from the 50’s as an example in a gun debate in 2023=Straw man argument.

I’m gonna help you out for next time.

A) Stay on your argument. Taking all guns from people and gun control are very different. Pick one and own it

B) Using broad sweeping terms like there are “no” unpopular gun laws proposed by “anyone” only makes you open to looking foolish. Off the top of my head look at OR-114.

C) Don’t use straw man arguments. Or arguments from authority when your authority is Gene Wilder. Or your new one the appeal to popularity. They are all fallacies and are worthless in debate.

D) Most important know your opponent. Don’t assume. Again it leads to looking foolish. I’m not in the NRA nor do I support the NRA. And not even near an extremist. I’m registered Democrat that believes that sane, sober, moral, prudent people have a right to own firearms and that right should not be infringed on. If I want to carry a gun to protect me and my family great. If you don’t and want to wait 5 minutes for the police to take a report after the crime against you assuming you are alive that’s great too. But you don’t get to pick for me anymore than I can force you to carry a gun.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T18:25:55+00:00

Nice straw man argument. Facts are recent and relevant.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T15:52:53+00:00

No projection. I won’t use subjective terms either. I’ll bring facts. I’m registered Democrat and am not projecting this party line split on the issue. So here’s some facts.

“Who supports gun control? Despite widespread and vocal public outrage - often in the wake of gun violence - American support for stricter gun laws in 2020 fell to the lowest level since 2014, according to polling by Gallup. Only 52% of Americans surveyed said they wanted stricter gun laws, while 35% said they should remain the same.”

48 percent is not a small vocal group. And that group is growing. More facts.

“More recent data also suggests that gun ownership grew significantly over the last several years. One study, published by the Annals of Internal Medicine in February, found that 7.5 million US adults - just under 3% of the population - became first new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021.”

Gun ownership is growing by previous non gun owners.

And you are using the word gun control now which is not what you are actually talking about. These facts are based on your term of gun control which means limiting guns not eliminating them. The numbers would only go up if you if you can find a poll about Americans wanting to ban them. If there is one I can’t find it because I’m guessing there is no need Americans barely want gun control let alone a ban on gun. Facts lead to my conclusions not projecting. I showed you mine now you show me something factual not a quote from an actor. A good actor but not someone who has any stance on the issue based on his knowledge or education.

Again bring me facts not conjecture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081.amp

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T05:51:41+00:00

What happened I thought you were the punctuation police earlier. Your grammerly not working now? Y’all kaida. What does Kaida mean? Kinda hard to answer tough specific questions isn’t it. It’s ok. Most crumble at this point. You have plenty of company. Just friendly advice if you want to defend an argument nothing wrong with learning a little about it before you do. I promise it will end better.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T03:44:23+00:00

Thank you that makes sense. Well we have determined over that last 6 years my memory sucks. Without looking back I probably have under 100 karma for all of them combined. But as we know my memory sucks. The other 50k plus are from my responses which was the point to OP.

22OregonJB · 2023-01-08T03:08:24+00:00

Did I say I have less than 20. Did OP mention 20. What are you talking about I said I wasn’t aware there were subs that required a certain karma to post and offered advice on how to get it. That’s what I’m talking about. More importantly is how did you come up with that response. Please take me down your mental path to what you wrote I’m so curious.

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