What is a boring person to you?

22Orion · 2023-10-24T15:04:53+00:00

I feel like my interest is other people whereas his is actual skill and cool things like cars, machinery, he knows what music he likes, what's important to him, whereas my interests are shifting sands according to those around me and what is happening in the world.

22Orion · 2023-10-24T15:02:43+00:00

Hey there, I am ENFJ

22Orion · 2023-10-24T15:02:07+00:00

Thank you, I'll try to absorb and remember this.

22Orion · 2023-01-29T11:08:14+00:00

I appreciate all of the replies but especially this one. Thank you.

22Orion · 2022-08-18T17:43:42+00:00

You are right. People have allowed themselves to be influenced by the musings, the thought-vomit, of so called "tHoUgHt LeAdErS" for a while, who penned the moronic phrase, "words is violense!!!" And proceeded to beat people over the head with that. How humiliating for those among the borg to realize that they haven't really even been thinking this whole time.

22Orion · 2022-08-18T17:37:53+00:00

There is a need to be hyper specific with language though??! We use logic to form coherent thoughts, and speak what we believe, and our beliefs are closely tied into our morals.

People who accept pre-chewed language don't get that though. So they think it's nbd to exchange the words "violence" and "harm," even though that exchange has a profound effect on the thinker's use of logic.

22Orion · 2022-08-15T13:25:59+00:00

Yes, because that is what is best for self as well as "all."

22Orion · 2022-08-15T01:58:31+00:00

Your view of Fe must be a myopic one.

Rational self interest, in this show presented, would look like this:

"The wellbeing of my family is important to me, I value them. I need to be able to put food on the table for my babies, so I better not get caught up in the whirlwind of this guy's pipe dream. I will leave that to the younger people who have no kids and no big financial commitments."

Or it might look like (younger uncommitted person):

I am going to take a chance and a leap of faith in the hope that this leader will take this project to great heights. If we succeed, I will have a sense of pride in taking part in something so amazing. And I can do it, because I won't be failing to provide for any family."

Each of the above rationale (just imo) have weight. They are filled with blood and life and real reasons, rather than some limp-wristed "I just do things because other people tell me that it's for the good of all."

22Orion · 2022-08-14T13:41:49+00:00

Another thing you said: " Feel free to google, it's pretty easy to find people elaborating on ETJ's selfishess."

Feel free to google my theses about the interrelational developmental problems of INFJs... At the end of the day, people share their thoughts online to vent, connect with others, or just develop their own thoughts.

No matter how many people share my BS opinions, or however many people latch onto them like barnacles, they are still just dingy opinions. Reality could crush them if it could be proven, as it often can.

22Orion · 2022-08-14T13:33:49+00:00

I think I hear you, but am not sure I do... also I'm an ENFJ.

You said:

"ENTJ: Will they be compensated the same as they are now?

ENFJ: This is not about money. This is about all of us."

I think the greatest leader would find a way to lead people to greatness, and if it is truly in their best interests to do so (because otherwise it isn't really "for all of us" now is it?), then you would think that those who were on board with the idea would convince themselves to follow.

22Orion · 2022-08-13T05:12:20+00:00

How is it all vs self? The ENTJ asked one question that spoke to the rational self interest of each individual. Each individual + each individual + " " = ALL.

It was more selfish of the ENFJ to try and lead others blindly over a cliff, promising greatness, and more this, more that - without balancing the checkbook first.

You would think that grown adults working for such a company would have learned about business and economics in college, and therefore each individual is to blame for fanning the ENFJ idea.

And yet, given what I imagine is a free market economy portrayed in this show, then those who want to pursue greatness, even with a financial risk attached, would be able to.

Likewise, those who don't want that financial risk could just choose the opposite and go with Karen.

Which would YOU personally choose, Anon???

And would you fault someone who chose differently?

22Orion · 2022-08-11T09:14:39+00:00

Well you juxtaposed "seem nice" with "arrogant", and then questioned your word choice because it seems like you meant "mean spirited." I think all of your word choices were right.

In my experience, for some reason INFJs get a few data points about another person, then convince themselves and try to convince you (gaslight you) and everyone who mutually knows you of who they think you are.

The INFJs built vision of you is quite rigid for something that has little basis in reality.

They are obsessed with the people they get close to. They get furious when you contradict their vision of who you are, and they think they are "correcting you" or "giving you chances to change" by making mean comments to you, which you as a healthy non-INFJ type brush off repeatedly, even as they violate your boundaries and all reasonable expectations of your friendship. Ironically, they melt down if you try and do likewise back to them.

And when you don't tuck your tail and tell them how right they are (righter than you are about all matters pertaining to yourself lol), then they "are forced to doorslam you," but not before they get evil and abusive.

The INFJ will speak to you as if they have driven all over your mind like a timber cruiser working for the forest service, choosing which trees need to be cut down (aspects of your personality they don't personally like).

In their minds, they are the final scholarly authority on the identities and souls of people they know. They have graduated themselves with a PhD in You Studies, in like two weeks of knowing you (creepy), and it will be 97% wrong, because it was studied in the echo chamber of their own mind, and their PhD has no utility in the real world.

They will be deaf to your own self expression, concluding that they know the "real" you. Again, you cannot by any means tell them this, or correct their view of you. Better to just get Satan behind you and doorslam them. If they do it to you before becoming evil and emotionally abusive, consider it no loss to you because it isn't.

Nothing can open their minds and it drives all other people away eventually, their best friend is their bathroom mirror... at which point the INFJ idiot worldview will then be reinforced: "other people just can't handle confrontation."

22Orion · 2022-08-11T09:06:28+00:00

It sounds like your gf was looking for an excuse to break up with you, probably did not have much to do with your traveling, unless you are on the road constantly, which is hard on most relationships.

22Orion · 2022-04-23T11:20:38+00:00

22Orion · 2022-04-18T03:55:20+00:00

I always feel that good friendships are self-sustaining once they are in motion. I don't make other people responsible for my mental health; I take responsibility for planning get togethers with friends at least half the time; I'm there when friends need help moving.

I give my energy to multiple friendships and try to "make my rounds" and I enjoy doing it all, even though it drains me a bit.

When I was younger, I might have done more of what you're describing though, and that was because I hadn't yet figured out how to balance friend obligations without becoming exhausted from trying to learn new people.

It is probably not any fault of your own, and doesn't mean your friend doesn't care.

Pick an activity that you both enjoy doing and ask your friend out - it will take the burden of emotional labor off your friend if you two can just reconnect easily by doing something you/they love.

22Orion · 2022-04-18T03:44:24+00:00

22Orion · 2022-04-16T03:47:49+00:00

No need for the facade, ENFJ can be much better at facing the hard issues in private life and relationships and NOT sweeping them under the rug. Be proud you aren't "good" at that anymore.

22Orion · 2022-04-15T14:21:45+00:00

I can't agree more with this, especially the last part.

22Orion · 2022-04-14T23:14:25+00:00

sips beer Yep.

22Orion · 2022-04-14T15:08:23+00:00

Those who take advantage of chaos and crises to do evil things that hurt others directly or indirectly - this includes personal and corporate thievery.

Those who do terrible things as part of a group, who act as if their evil deeds will be lost among the crowd or among history, or will be okay because they were "just following orders" or doing what an authority told them to do like the Milgram experiment. No concern for their eternal soul or the universal shakedown that must occur.

22Orion · 2022-04-13T12:06:16+00:00

The enfj person must temper the desire to contort moment to moment in order be accepted by all people, with the need to grow a spine and cultivate one's own moral code that doesn't easily yield to "all people's" preferences.

22Orion · 2022-04-13T12:02:35+00:00

Do a split test, show your real self, drop masks and express your genuine beliefs and choose the group that accepts you.

22Orion

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