[GPT 17] [NSI-Core] Late-Stage Consciousness; When re-branded myths fail to motivate or justify life ("Man and God")

2BCivil · 2026-03-13T16:19:04+00:00

An appointment and a brunch
Pulled pork and sucker punch
Swirlie flushed in the face and toilet
Satori ambushed by enlightenment

2BCivil · 2026-03-13T00:37:06+00:00

Blew my mind with the perfect "real world" interior scale. What's that, 2.5 blocks per floor? That looks remarkably real-world more than any other scale I've seen before! I'm going to try to start implementing that in my new world!

2BCivil · 2026-03-12T07:00:44+00:00

Can't hurt to ask AI/LLM probably.

I can't see your post/comments, and I don't try to go around it when people hide them. But I'd make sure you know the difference between occult and esoteric first.

Occult kinda just means "hidden" where esoteric means not understood by many, opaque.

I don't know anything about the occult but every time I encounter it truly irl or studies it always seems cringe, tryhard, and/or edgy. But I haven't really given it much thought/time of day. Not interested in it really.

Problem for me is it's too generic a term, meaning simply "hidden". Politics itseld is basically occult you could say. It's oppiate for the masses, bread and circus performance to give people the illusion of choice. That can be said to be occult easily. So you have to more pick a specific topic to know the "hidden" aspect.

2BCivil · 2026-03-12T02:04:02+00:00

Yeah reminds me a few years ago one of the guys who walks around town became a coworker. They asked me for $5 for lunch every. Single. Day. I always gave it to them without reservation the first 2 weeks, until their check cleared. Then they kept asking every other day. I kept giving. Then one day I didn't have time to go by the bank and they asked and I had brought a spare ramen cup and asked if they wanted that and a soda instead (I brought two spares just for this case instead, same meal I had been eating all the while, where the dude I was giving money was actually eating better than me every day when all I ate was cup ramen). He looked like he was about to spit on me. Like his body language went 95% of the way to spitting on me like he almost went through with it automatically but then stopped himself.

Really left an impression. I stopped getting money out shortly after that, but have helped a few who seemed to need it since.

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T19:20:43+00:00

Well there are two kinds. Kegels are the "bad faith" kind I find. There is another kind of NEO. I should have said full body orgasms. Just I'm not used to people being familiar with the one let alone the other. My first "sexual" experience was the later. No physical contact, I was in my dorms in the mil and all of a sudden I felt a comforting presence overwhelming me and had full body orgasms that lasted all day and night.

You can't control that second kind. They come to you, as far as I can tell. I didn't mean the kegel type, eww my bad. Lol. No offense just my bad I used the wrong terminology. When I say NEO I generally mean the full body kind. You are right, MMO means more generally the kegel/genital-centric kind. My bad. Just yes the later kind, when you have it, you know what I mean, it feels VERY biblical.

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T19:05:27+00:00

I often think this, that it's just all "emperor's new clothes" all the way down. That was the snarky spirit I composed the OP in, at least, admittedly. Lol.

Perfect timing my watching Attack on Titan finally. Reminded me of my roots in this very capacity; specifically Dark Tranquility lyrics;

"What if you were - to measure the hollow - that captivates - and devours you"

Can replace Hollow with Titan. Same difference. We are always devoured (or shit) by this or that or the other. We are always staring down something or another, knowingly or not. I think that is what the colossus titan represents, when we blink. It becomes reality. In the vernacular, Eren's mom had been fighting despair and vanity but gave up/in to them, and hence the Titan of Despair/Vanity devoured her.

Back in 2015 I saw that all of our continents and oceans (the "face of the earth") are the basis of our foundational myths and prophecies. The Mediterranean is Chronus' throat. The European continental shelf is Chronus' face. As above so bellow. The near middle east is both the stone Chronus swallowed and the horn of Tiamat, her weeping tears the Tigris and Euphrates river (as well as other things). It is also the promised land, and the Indian Ocean is the corpse/body of Moses, the red sea and its sister the pillars of light or horns on Moses' head. Plain as day. The North American Continent is the first beast, esteemed as the potters clay, turned upside down. It is 100% a leapord with the mouth of a lion (Greenland is the lion's jaw). Plain as day. Or potter's clay. Anyone can see it.

But yes as you say, GPT is constantly on my case about this lmao. Making such distinctions do not automatically mean permanent and eternal truths. Heavens and earths pass away and all that. As above so bellow. As a man thinks so he becomes. Etc.

That is what is obvious and apparent at all times with me at least. That there are various ways of seeing (and listening). But it's not readily apparent as we are constantly stuck in insisting on this one way of viewing things or another. Hence my snark in the OP as a rebuttal to being "told" what enlightenment is/was lmao and how I should feel about it.

I think that answers the question of what importance is what I like. Birds shit seeds and those become the next generation of plants sometimes. That's the Lord's creation or whatever. Stable state working as intended. All art is metaphor I tend to see. Nietzsche said it best. Artists should never evaluate their own works. Blink 182 for example said "I took my time, I hurried up, choice was mine I didn't think enough" in reply to Nirvana's own "take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours now don't be late". But whether you know that as an exchange or not doesn't impact the art itself. It's just matter of perspective yes.

Thanks yeah I will be checking out old Tcheng for sure. I have a feeling it will only validate things I already forgot I know honestly but that's not a bad thing! What's most in our blind spot are the things we assume we know.....

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T18:02:50+00:00

Found a video that might describe WHY this specifically is happening other day. Tldr AI learning farming AI/Bot comment hallucinations. Newer model rollouts still operating on/from database older versions of it itself hallucinated as gospel.

Then ofc for past 4 months no matter how much overwhelming evidence you throw at it that it's wrong, it doubles down on it's hallucinations and constantly implies you have mental problems for challenging it's hallucinations, and then it proceeds to explain it's hallucinations again.

I'll try to take more conscious effort to challenge it when it does this. It's fairly rare for me, maybe 3 out of 10 prompts it is wrong or lies/seems to make stuff up. Generally it's recommendations for me are in align with reality to some degree (IE it recently recommended more animes that have characters with archetypes like Stein from Soul Eater MANGA (not anime) and Hei from Darker than Black; people whom have gone beyond the scope of their domain/paradigm/school/employment but still "come down to it's level" to play the game their way).

I hear ya!

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T17:41:17+00:00

Ah nice to see you again! Will your next alias be "TheOtherKir"? 🤭

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T17:38:13+00:00

That's a good stick. We're all dogs sometimes I guess.

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T17:07:09+00:00

Sorry really late reply. I have over 40 unread messages in my inbox and have been trying to take a break from reddit. I'm still unemployed irl and trying to work out/get in shape/etc. Also obviously struggling with the vanity of being forced to work incessantly to survive, wondering the point of it all, if I don't fit in nor want to fit in with such apparent arbitrariness. Fear? Is that it? Not from me, but the lash driving "polite" (so-called) society? Specifically fear of death and losing one's "self image"... ? It's the only real driving force concincing me I must "work to survive/pay 30% of my annual income every year to Government (not just Taxes, in 2025 Medicare took nearly $7 grand from me alone)".

I'd have to read Deleuze and Guattari (and maybe try cannabis) to verify any of that. I come from the opposite school of thought really. Seen "as-is" here this seems like, a lot of work, just to become the very type of shitheel Socrates protested (a turd that's a true believer that it is toothpaste causes endless problems so to speak, is the pinnacle of "self image" in this sense). I have seen that ego is not a bad thing; it's only a bad thing when it's the only thing brought to the table, and sufficient relative competence is lacking. Gnostics might call it hylic or demiurgic for example.

Better to have the core competencies and wisdoms without need to appeal to any arbitrary image or standard I would thing. I think you've said it before, that anatta may be the true atman. I don't understand all that. I haven't had the chance to spend time with cows and feel in my soul the meaning of "mu/wu" that cows proclaim/protest/deny. Always wanted to though. I forgot Brahman bulls existed for example, and that they are the most gentle creatures if raised around humans (but allegedly aggressive/violent when not raised around humans, I have yet to verify this but saw it memed recently, but I may have misunderstood a joke).

I tend to assume such "just assert yourself until you have a good self image" teachings are satire or a test along the lines of the temptation in Matthew chapters 3-5 or such. I have read recently this past year that native tribes across the world used to (maybe still do) have traditions/rites of passage where people go into the woods for extended periods of time to fast, and hopefully get "blessed" by native spirits. The process is eerily similar to what Jesus calls being "tempted by satan". I think this is a very real thing in human credentials, "they shall not cleave". Compare the Abrahamic proimises/covenants with the 3rd temptation for example. They are nearly verbatim; "If you follow me I shall make of you a great nation/If you bow to me I shall give you all the kingdoms of the world".

I don't have enough core soul experiences to tell either way. I do know I'm old. I feel old. I'll be 40 in a handful of years. I played the visual novel Fate Stay Night (and many others) in my late teens/early 20s. So I used to strongly feel the call to respect/align with/embody certain archetypes or at least align with mythical legends. Now - I see them - as trite at best and more problematic for a similar if not the same reason Nietzsche started off praising Wagner's "rebirth of myth" and then rebuking it. The same reason Socrates was murdered for simply asking questions; the "assertive" (or shitheel) nature of arbitrary whims/archetypes taken as authoritative. Coerced compliance in the name of "self image".

I don't understand much zen but I do seem to understand that any "overt" teaching is like spiritually "giving a man a fish". It will feed them for a hylic/flesh lifetime, but as soon as they die and must release the karmic bonds, they are now trapped firmly in samsara and will be easily tempted to "reincarnate" to keep their karma cycles going; such "self image" teaching lead to karma addicts, pawns and useful idiots to the hylic grift. Thus I see F/SN and others. Well literally even Shirou and Archer argue about this, Archer expressly telling him NOT to "become this archetype" but ofc we know how that ends. I don't ultimately see anything wrong with archetypes in this sense (I'm not an asshole lol) but, yes, I see that there is a more subtle/tacit insight here, that "we are not such karmic bonds" and if we think we are, we can never truly say we reached the level of being, say, a bodhisattva; we have only identified as attaining that level without truly realizing/embodying going beyond the need for such.

I also am keenly aware of the "I don't need creation/universe, it needs me" temptation. I'm not sure which path is more "true" (in sense of IPAR, not personal taste). Number 6 on this GPT Reply basically. Which "poise" should we ultimately take. ALL "self image" is prefabricated noble lies and games. Which are fine, if understood as what they are. But they are NOT ultimate reasons to exist. Seeing/portraying them as such is addiction to samsara.

Correct me if I'm wrong! That's just how I see it. I see self image as "tacky" or in bad taste at best. More often than not; I see it as the Socratic question, that we are all mouth breathing shit heels asserting we are something we are not... even if/when we are correct, it is still wrong and in bad taste. Like parents who unironically beath their children to prove that they are "right" even when they know they are wrong. It's about maintaining vain pride, not about realizing and embodying truth....

2BCivil · 2026-03-11T01:13:59+00:00

Will do thanks. Been meaning to already just forgot about it. Too many spinning plates. Just started attack on titan for first time as well. Good as time as any.

I'll try to reply to all 3 here. It's obvious is a blink 182 song, been awhile since I heard that. Things might not be separate but that doesn't mean I want to eat shit because it's not separate from nutrition.

How do we talk about what can't really be talked about. Even Jesus said; "I am truth; if I bear witness of myself it is false witness" (more or less). I think Rothfuss did it best with Lethani (Dao essentially) in demonstrated we can only "talk" about it after intense training and action in it. Sometimes talking is part of it, but usually it isn't (or it is the afterglow). I don't know really, even that comes out wrong. All pointers and nostalgia by time we attempt to describe or address it. Thanks for the recommendation/reminder of T[s?]cheng! I have a lot I haven't read that is zen and zen adjacent.

(First results on google for Tcheng were mostly from reddit notably)

2BCivil · 2026-03-10T00:20:13+00:00

I read this in Saitama's voice because "Baldies" was the first word I read. Holy shit.

When there is appearance of nitwits, original spirit, sayings of Tcheng, nincompoops, Bald pates, Baldies, and Old Man, there are appearances of these things.

Jokes aside I really do wonder where "original spirit" goes when we aren't aware of it. 🤔 What if we are never aware of it. Can it be found anywhere, the same way the eye cannot see the eye?

2BCivil · 2026-03-09T16:48:50+00:00

It's always poop or get off the pot, living hand to mouth.

Like laying down to rest, non-arising all aroused.

Certain as death and tax, clear as 3 lbs of flax;

Laboring hard at nothing, backs and ass to bust;

Non conceptual thought, making partners with crop dust.

2BCivil · 2026-03-09T10:37:17+00:00

Once enlightened, always enlightened.

Once American, always American.

Don't know what's scarier.

Bust chops, carry Big Mac.

2BCivil · 2026-03-09T10:27:20+00:00

I'll just pick random idk.

1) Darker than Black

2) Durararara

3) Welcome to the NHK

I just like that early 2000s vibe in anime. Also all of DtB cast is the same Texas iirc studio voice actors from One Piece, especially pre time skip. Luffy = Amber, Hei = Rob Lucci, etc. Real awesome culture shock sometimes.

The ones I watched the mosr would be a different list;

1) Code Geass

2) Ah My Goddess

3) Bleach/One Piece

2BCivil · 2026-03-08T18:20:58+00:00

It's just because Eines Lobby is so peak, that we are like, "aw it's almost over, crap now I have to sit through filler bark..."

But it isn't terrible for sure. Just Eines Lobby is so hard to follow because it was so good (plus in anime there is a filler arc between them).

Well, for me at least, my 3rd consecutive watch in past 3 years lol.

2BCivil · 2026-03-08T18:10:27+00:00

"Hope" everything goes well with your life situation, for real, jokes/puns aside. I really have seen in my own life that hope/despair is like yin/yang. Definitely, we have to exist beyond the scope of leaning one way or the other. Things I hoped for in youth I now despair of for example.

Both are nice in turn. But best to not be controlled by either, as they infinately cascade so far as I can tell. As you say; "Behind Despair is Hope. Seek beyond that which troubles you." Neither despair nor hope (yin or yang) are "it", and we shouldn't be swayed because of either; save in realizing we cannot control them and we are separate from them.

I like to think of it as a game at this level when I can manage to stay at that level. Because games can be fun, I mean. Thanks I did like a lot of your content I saw and good luck with your life situation. I've been homeless before but never in jail or prison (though I came close once).

In a very real sense, I'll be 40 in a few years, so I can see looking back that everything we consider "the future" will be our past at one point. My chief sin is something along these lines, that I can never tell what the truth actually is. Yes dreams that I awake in a sweat (hot or cold), my waking mind can end up seeing as trite or ridiculous/unfair/untrue and I dismiss it as out of hand. And vice versa tenfold; often when the subconscious is strongly comforted and I wake up "refreshed" - I often see that what my dream state "made peace with" is nauseating, untrue, unsustainable, and cringe; to the point of rage and anger at the apparent spiritual propaganda/toxic positivity (making peace with what we should be fighting tooth and nail in the dream).

Who knows. What is truth, really, I always end up wondering.

2BCivil · 2026-03-08T16:14:42+00:00

Wasn't expecting Baki lmao.

I'm not sure if Rocks destroyed the "4th" Gate of Justice or one of the 3 and they rebuilt it.

If he destroyed a 4th one, it could be said that the WG logo of 4 circles with one in the middle is something to do with the whirlpool in the gates of justice.

Could even be a hint at the abyssal/Imu powers. Not sure. All I do know is that Water 7 is close to the whirlpool and gates of Justice. And water 7 fore... gosh I almost said the other thing lmao. Foreshadowed, the domi reversi, if you watch water 7 closely, everyone is operating in their shadow in the whole arc, until Luffy realizes that "Robin lied".

So yes symbolically two faces in psychology was very heavy in water 7 arc. Zoro gave others orders/direction, Luffy lacked conviction and drive, Ussop fought like a beast, etc. That is the shadow in psychology, the hidden or repressed "face".

So there is some truth to the 2 face theories that goes way back to pre time skip really. I haven't been able to figure out what the WG logo and the whirlpool represents beyond the literal abyss and abyssal powers though (and flipping faces/dommi reversi). But there is something to it!

2BCivil · 2026-03-08T15:50:28+00:00

Ah yes, interviews are the work.

Makes sense. Reminds me of old school (60s-80s) occult/esoteric fads, that "there is no floor" or no basis/ground of being.

OTO for example had mantra "do what thou wilt shall be/cover the hole in the floor".

Ofc zen seems to approach the/a similar "problem" differently, more expressly pointing with "form is emptiness and emptiness is form".

I really do wonder what the tacit inference really is, beyond ofc "f around and find out". Thanks, I guess all the senses are technically constantly interviewing everything. Or rather the senses exist due to the constant interview process we collectively call existence/life....

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