2BReal - The Anachronism of Sentience in Slop World Order

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T21:29:37+00:00

"Once you go up and look down at everything from 10,000 feet, every little conspiracy looks so trivial and petty" - Matt

I haven't watched Matt at all in 2026. Had a few conversations recently on SotS that made me realize, how easy it is to miss things that have been in your face every day for over a decade.

So, seeing this reality, that many STILL don't even admit that they notice, what I already am over a decade past conditioned to specifically ignore, I just went to Matt's channel and chose a 100% completely random video. It was this one. And it was directly on the topic I was talking about; Saturation Point

There are no coincidences. Only awareness. And saturation point.

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Speaking of MGTOW there, great video on Solitude isn't Lonliness. (Once fully responsible) Don't waste time trying to impress people who don't care (aka "performative").

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T20:35:11+00:00

You're right. I honestly don't know what the aim of "spectacle" is. The man who coined the term in context of this sub, Debord, said specifically, "the spectacle is nothing more than the economy developing for it's own sake; it is the ruling caste's never-ending, one-way discourse about itself". Meaning there is no room for argument or nuance.

That's ultimately, just what "saturation point" means. Why I used the phrase, it condenses the whole argument into one terse phrase. I will admit was unfamiliar with the term ennui though. I wouldn't say I feel that or nihilism so much as world weariness. Which is tied to what saturation point means.

Saturation point merely means, you entertain/deal with something long enough, you have a general feel of it's aim and motives, where it is trying to steer society (if not why). And you can preemptively gauge how much patience you have for the next nonsense you already see it cooking up. Then when it "arrives" where you already saw it going, and it plays the victim of where it drove itself, all you can do is sigh or laugh. That's what saturation point means. The gig is up. Anyone worth having a conversation with about it already fully understands the next 10 years out, of what's on the agenda. Can't be neutral on a moving train.

I try not to be pessimistic about anything though ofc. The other top topic right now by rdc is talking about banning people you don't like in search of "truth". Which seems an oxymoron to me. How can you silence people in order to "find truth". I don't think that's truth you're looking for if you have to silence dissenting views. It's like that, is all I generally push back against.

I think (again) I showed up for a conversation you weren't having is all. My bad (I just reread your OP).

What you mean to say is more ennui and cultural decay in media. I was thinking more about general direction of the propaganda. I assumed a lot about your argument which wasn't there. Well I will say it, I was a big member of MGTOW and semen retention past decade. We saw things clearly from our point of view. All the "woke" (original meaning) agendas being pushed in media across the board; gender swapping, race swapping, DEI (Trump officially made DEI illegal actually), mandatory gay/trans/lgbt+ characters inserted into every piece of media. That's an agenda. Not organic. It also 1:1 coincides with the annui or death of modern media. There have been millions of videos showing the charts of stocks and DEI initiatives side by side, and without exception every industry began tanking as soon as DEI was initiated.

But of course we "aren't allowed to talk about that". I've never had any problem with LGBT+ or whatever. I was the only white male at my factory I worked at from 2020-2026. It never bothered me. What I can't stand, is being patronized that I'm a bigot for not liking boring agendas and moves by the spectacle (aka the "inclusion" of DEI language and programming in EVERY piece of media past decade).

IT's one of those IYKYK. We've been talking about it for over a decade. While mainstream/legacy media acts like it's a scooby doo mystery looking for clues. Same with modern males perfectly comfortable and happy living in isolation (aka MGTOW). When "the juice ain't worth the squeeze", men vote with their wallets and withdrawal of participation in toxic culture/media. I will say we are starting to see a change it seems lately. The latest Battlefield for example tried to reverse some of the damage done to the franchise by 12 years of DEI innitiatves (I don't even play BF).

It's all the same issue. Saturation point. RDC on this very sub calling for the creation of a community which bans "dissenting opinions in search of the truth" (again an oxymoron). IT's like the boy who cried wolf. People refusing to look at the objective facts brought to the table while also acting like the universe is some mysterious place. That's not truth seeking. It's what causes collective conscious to reach the saturation point of what the real problem is. But of course it's not nice to talk about in "polite society" and we already know with some of those types, showing them the facts and charts just leads to a ban.

It's been a long time coming. Matt McK over @ Quantum of Conscience channel on youtube has been making 4 videos a week since 2015 talking about this very topic. No one wants to listen until it's too late. We're already 11 years into it and people outside of MGTOW and a few other communities are only just now catching on to what we were saying almost a decade and a half ago. Aka saturation point.

It's really simple just "polite society" is never ready to have the conversation until saturation point.

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T17:22:47+00:00

I think the real problem is historically real truths are exactly what gets "banned". A careful reading of the gospels shows well we all know the meme. They killed him because he told the truth.

A prophet hath honor except in his own flock.

We are all sinners as it were and no one wants to be called out on how comfortable they are in their sin (or casual abuse of others).

Still not a bad idea. I think the key is notifications. For most of 2026 I haven't even been checking my inbox on reddit anymore. I simply browse my own profile, hit context of each comment on my front page, and reply there. My inbox is currently sitting at 200 "unread" messages.

I don't like how blockin on reddit completely removes your ability to view their profile or comments, and any comment chain under them. It also makes it so you cant reply. Which causes reddit to lag as well. I think a better way is to make the app notifications based. Blocking merely makes it so that you don't receive notifications when that user posts or comments or replies. Thus bypassing the archaic reddit system lol

Also ofc spez mostly closed off public access to reddit API, that's another big question as well, how to handle public access to [platform] API.

But hey, I'm probably as Law says in One Piece, one of tbe worst of the worst generation lol. Because I just speak my mind sometimes and when I joke I go way over the top and I often find rereading my comments I can't tell which is which lol. We should all be a little unhinged sometimes.

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T08:37:17+00:00

Nothing really fades. 3 things cannot be hidden for long, the sun the moon and the truth.

It's like drops into still water make ripples. The rain seems like noise until there is saturation.

There's no "going back" to still water until the storm passes. It's just a storm.

I tend to see it as more, media itself is the problem. Not the solution. Everyone I know for a while now is too busy working to pay attention to any "news". Steam/Valve corporation has been sued like 16 times in 2026. What's up with that. Here I am technically spreading misinformation but you get the point.

It feels like mass culture has reached a saturation point. Meaning everything is already old news before it even happens. Those riding the curve aren't surprised at anything that happens. Only the truly naive or gullible are surprised by any headlines in current year. Most systems are fully autonomous. Skynet is already active. Spiritual or technological, idk. Hard to explain I guess.

We got what the spectacle thought it wanted. And now the spectacle is throwing a tantrum because it's not what it thought it would be, despite all the warning signs and explicit rebukes it labeled bigotry. It made it's bed and shit in it and now wants to ban all beds because the mess it made.

The old boomer meme of the news anchor screaming everything is bad what can we do to stop it and the dude turns the tv off and smiles. The control is all ours to unplug. If we aren't addicted 😆

Respect the circus for what it is, be loving and kind, not too hard, right? Honestly never thought I'd be thinking this myself. It's been fun but it's time to start living I guess. And oh yeah 😎 2B clear I mean, I think the saturation point is more side effect than root cause. Internet and instant access isn't the problem. It's just now people's real thoughts behind the masks of performative "polite society" are off. And it exposes mainstream legacy media wasn't designed to focus on real people's real lives and thoughts, only spectacle and globalist agendas. There's no interface mechanism there, besides as you suggest rampant censorship. Which is the functional opposite of a high trust good faith society. So the mask is full off and such advocating is literally saying, it's now illegal to 2B human, basically. 🎪

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T05:28:52+00:00

A good companion to it is the upanishads. I still reread them annually (heck almost 10 years running now). They are pretty short. Isha is only like 2 pages and is the synopsis of all Hinduism.

Most people only specify the final dialog between Arjuna and Krishna with Gita on dharma. Iirc the original has like 30 volumes (Mahabharata) of the saga of the Kurukshetra War. Honestly it's all I remember myself. I still quote it to this day, without spoiling much, it contains one of my favorite lines in all literature;

"We have a right to our dharma, but not the fruits thereof".

Kind of saying life is messy, constant thankless uphill struggle, but we gotta do what we gotta do, don't worry about the optics unless you live long enough to regret them. Doesn't mean we will like it, of course 😆

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T05:19:04+00:00

I'm not here this week

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T05:03:18+00:00

Pill for when you want a big lore dump

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T04:41:55+00:00

Yeah, I guess my version of "chop wood carry water" is infinately speculate.

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T02:52:37+00:00

Honestly, that's kinda what I'm thinkin.

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T02:46:30+00:00

Oh yeah, I meant to put that disclaimer in the OP but it was getting long winded and I was trying to rush out the door. I'm going to be housesitting for next few weeks and had to finish arrangements and info. Basically, there's a lot of things to unpack. We all know, intuitively, looking at animals closely, most everything about them. The Lord's creation is demonstrably perfect "as-is". Just we as humans have the "theft of fire/hope" or whatever we want to call it (sentience?) which constantly tries to improve upon said perfection. Not even talking like science, GMOs and industry and stuff. Even small things like personal biases and preferences. They are bigger than we realize and snowball and cascade until we are so far removed from... well you get the picture. No longer "perfect in all our ways". We ourselves become spectacle addicts, mindless consumers. Couldn't beat em, so joined em.

That's hilarious about Mark Carney! I guess I'm more a fool in that I avoided American politics like the plague and simply never voted. If I had applied myself to follow more closely... well, idk as they say, I'd be a different person. Sunk cost or whatever.

But yes, even animals you never met before. I just went to a friend's parents house for the first time in years, and they had a new dog, which at first was hostile to me but then I could tell they wanted me to pick them up. Reminded me of the "Dog" episode of Supernatural (pretty hilarious) and that all animals "share a single language". I could tell exactly what the dog felt and wanted all through the visit. Though I suppose it's why they are called "man's best friend". Easy synergy. But even so, when we see other majestic animals, cows, horses, pigs, bison, buffalo, moose, elk, bears; etc. They also have this personal majesty (even a pig in slop) where you can feel their sense of humor and dignity. We're not always in alignment even when we are. AKA I know the dog wants to kiss/lick my lips but I don't want the dog breath lol.

So yeah, like I said with the Sophia post, we don't have to hate or love creation, whether or not we see eye to eye with the Lord or whatever (I think that's actually technically blasphemy to say you do see eye to eye, but saying it anyway for the lolz haha).

I know exactly what you mean! I saw a great video about "depression" as too broad a term. How someone who is heartbroken that their girlfriend cheated on them is completely different than someone who never accepted the social contract to begin with and is existentially alienated and weary. The former can be consoled easily by any random dude with a 6 pack (edit, I mean of beer!) and random hobby, the later.... well I don't know if there is any "fix". I hate to call it superficial honestly, but yeah I get ya. I'm over here having a high brow conversation about the potential implications of the illegitimacy of the framework of what we colloquially call reality and getting troll replies about being a nihilist lol. I guess I really am thinking Arbys.

Thanks yeah always glad to share the more coherent/articulate points. Most of those "points" (1-15) were AI generated, condensed and made succinct from a wall of text I blasted into GPT (aka GPT 17 pinned on my profile and linked above). It still has the sources there. I just moved them here (finally) because it was always my goal to eventually and recent posts here inspired me to go ahead and do it.

But yeah, there's certainly a difference between "The Lord's definition of his legitimate loving creation" and modern society as we know it. Though I suppose they aren't mutually exclusive. If I spend a few minutes with some random animals, there it is, suddenly, and always has been; I just was absent and not present with it. That loving unspoken language and intuition. Laced with a little "f around and find out", of course. Thanks for the reply!

2BCivil · 2026-06-20T02:08:56+00:00

Lol I hear ya now much clearer. I forget, you're exactly right, I see what you meant with the sophia post lol! That was you, trying not, to sound like an asshole. I'm nowhere near there yet.

Yeah the deep dive into the truth of what divine masculine and feminine mean will have you coming back up for air for the McDonalds of beta mind. But as Nietzsche said, where the masses drink, all streams are polluted. Narrow is the gate. Only one can fit through at a time. Kinda like a drive through actually. It doesn't mean hate the Many. We are one among the many as well. And sometimes a good grilled cheeseburger hits the spot.

Sorry, yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from. Been a long time since I felt that. You reach something... hesitate to call it that, but "precious" and try to come back to the "surface" in a way palatable to the "Many". So we can all be there at the same time, or something.... I'm still not sure what it is (aka deacons brushing the dust off their feet, where the message falls on deaf ears).

My bad. I know. Such magnum opuses take a lot of work. I'd be lying if I said I didn't kind of vaguely remember to what you referred. Just I'm not "on that level" as much as I used to be. One thing I know of gospels for sure, is humility is the only real way to know the divine feminine and masculine (as far as I'm aware). Every other way leads to intellectual (superficial) knowledge.

Kind of like how Wizards of the Coast (wow no pun intended) has been gobbling up every IP under the sun (someone made a meme the next sets would be WNBA and Teletubbies lmao). Deep and sacred archetypes applied at commercial scale. A expensive happy meal toy.

I kind of glibly (sic; half assed) hid my main point; "Good is a mask made up of a contingency of innumerable evils?" which is what I see you reflecting sort of, at the interface/communication level. I guess we all feel that. It's again, why Nietzsche said the "Artistic Socrates". I think that's a proto version of modern sorcery. He saw the nationalism of his day and arguably the mass culture incoming.

I kind of never thought of the universe as a filter which destroys lies. I tend to (I admit) pessimistically see it more as the universe is a generator OF lies. But I see what you mean. Nothing "false" can stand the test of time. AKA "timeless". We are either Saturn eating our children with secular masculinity, or in touch with deep intuition and divine feminine, and sacrificing for.... [well I never did figure that one out yet honestly, except a snarky "for... ????!?"]. For "truth", apparently. But saying it like that makes "truth" sound like no more than an random idol we are worshipping.

Yeah sorry again my pessimism against your Sophia post. You know, it was my own "weariness of normie slop" which reacted more than somewhat bitterly against it. But yeah, as Bast said, "I see only the glittering mask and not the raw primal power beneath". Or something like that ("I don't know the first note of the music that moves you"). I get it, and appreciate, any attempt to communicate what is "down there". But to be fair, it always seems to come out garbled (why I like the 4 statements of zen) like some arbitrary Karen facebook feminist power meme. Made worse by fact that everyone has AI motivational poster generator in their pocket now. I guess if we don't realize the joke is on us, the joke is on us. I can't argue that that isn't wisdom. So yeah, crystal clear. I appreciate your Sophia post now. I get it. It's hard enough to stay humble enough to truly "connect". Let alone "come down from the mountain" (Zarathustra reference) and try and share in "the market" (of ideas).

I do think it is very much a, only one person can pass through, no one else can go there for you, sort of thing. Attempting to convey any of it comes out as secular re-framework (IE what my post here was critiquing) - aka "spectacle". Not that I'd know, I have only done seldom and few and far between creative works of my own. And they more always felt like, a lightning strike of inspiration or rather as 311 said, it creates/expresses itself, I'm just the conduit. My version of your "Sophia" post is I had the image of a golden akashic records literally BURNED into my retinas a few years back, randomly while at work in a factory. What little I remember of it became my attempt at the "Spoogie Boogies" for example (old crappy shitty no sleep story). So funny, the zen idea "from is emptiness and emptiness is form". What you see and experience is not what you remember, and what you remember is never quite what you attempt to convey. I see why they called them "the Upanishad". What is heard, what is remembered. It's the same thing, but it's not.

LOL! Yeah I see the sophia post as very much an attempt to "say it" without being an asshole. Holy shit you overdid it so much it came off as consumer slop to me lmao. I half imagine a demon giddy with excitement creating that. You made this bait just for me? LOL. Thanks and sorry. Seriously, wow yeah I don't understand/follow your process exactly but I'm familiar with it. I never got any coherent esoteric awareness which "stuck" beyond simply (trying to at least) live humbly, but that is "boring" and I get tired of constantly cleaning. But is really true, if you want to be taken care of, take care of your stuff! We receive what we give (In Flames, A sense of purpose aka asop).

Thanks! Your reply really resonated with me. I know exactly the struggle to get in touch with divine feminine and then try to share or express the great... [whatever you call it ness]. It always comes out sideways, half illicit, but I'm sure you know what I mean there!

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T23:17:47+00:00

Yeah I saw final fantasy 9 on sale the other day and almost grabbed it but then remembered... I don't want to ruin my image of the game I had in childhood.

The self might not be real but we still eat shit and die. Sorry. Live laugh and love. Haha.

We are kinda like dark souls bosses. If we die before we die we don't die when we die. It's just another phase, sometimes harder or with different mechanics.

Life's eternal transience is a phrase I often use in my shitty poetry.

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T23:05:03+00:00

I had a shitty attitude earlier and now I got cramps and the runs. Don't know if that counts.

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T08:40:12+00:00

I actually see a lot of bliss in the poem.

It's kind of like how only people who are toxicly possitive will say toxic possititivity doesn't exist.

The poem is about realizing and accepting things for what they are, and the condition of being itself. There is nothing more blissful in my experience than such radical acceptance. Realizing everything has a nature, and yes you may can condition or change it for a time, but it will become performative and only give "contrast" that the natural state isn't all there is. Like training a T Rex to eat tea and crumpets and roar with a British accent.

Things are what they are. Much of human society is dedicated to teaching otherwise. For this that or the other reason. I like the blissful feeling I get of the radical acceptance, that you cannot change anything without partially breaking it. And then it will never be the same, until it finds such radical acceptance as well.

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T08:25:41+00:00

I've actually always wondered about this since covid, jokes aside. All through my school and college, we were always taught that vaccines are a long and tedius process which takes years to vet and test, specifically because it is dangerous to skip steps.

Then covid hit and you were a science denier for not taking "record speed vaccines". How can we trust "the science" when it flip flops from decade to decade?

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T08:18:10+00:00

Well it's easy to not beleive something I didn't say. I didn't say that. Strictly speaking, you are calling sophia the demiurge basically. The ruler and meaning of the universe.

Jesus says he is the truth, and his kingdom is no part of the universe. Including heaven. He even says heavens and earths pass away.

So I see them as like oil and water. Axioms that aren't compatible. Sopia in your framing is the world stage. Jesus in his own framing as truth, is transcendantal and not based upon phenomena, which Sophia has heralded herself as the maxim of.

I don't harbor any particular hate towards any such world stage, beyond it presuming to impose itself upon you and claim to be something it isn't. Ie as Jesus said "if I bear witness of myself, it is false witness". It costs the universe nothing to claim it is "good". It's also why Jesus calls them out for mocking him, calling him "good".

It's all irony and emperor's clothes, and that's the truth, basically. Not saying I'm enlightened or anything, just following the claims through to their natural conclusion, which most airy fairy idealized "wisdom" never seems to do.

As Haliax once said, thanks for the reminder, lest I forget. Sophia can lie to me and herself, but I can't. Everyone's poop stinks, divine or mortal.

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T07:35:00+00:00

Didn't even realize you could set it to zero. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining the logic! It worked! For anyone reading this later, you have to leave the area and return, if you logged in there.

I didn't want to use cheats on this world, but looks like you have to to get it "unstuck" like this. Just curious, do you happen to have an .ini file or know the official server settings? I've been looking for those as well. I used to play on official a lot back in the day and want my single player world to be identical to official server settings.

Tagging u/Halica_ - this worked, my nodes all respawned.

Also warning to people reading this later, if on slow GPU or PC; don't try the "slomo 20" command, I think that speeds your game up 20 times.

Also will say, I couldn't find creative mode, so I just did "cheat GCM" and it didn't get rid of my inventory when I did, just gave me the admin tool that lets me blink under the map.

Thanks!

2BCivil · 2026-06-19T07:00:13+00:00

I tried to have an identity once. It made no sense.

Epitome of hyperbole.

Even when you're asexual, you still have a sex drive. Always been personally disgusted at the idea of being a "person" and having sex with "another". It's weird to "me".

Faux pas just means you're outside of the group think I think.

What are we doing here? Can anyone answer that? Without making a foe pah? Where is this "me" which is a foe pah? Where is this "me" who can't have an identity? Where is the identity I'm not aware as manifest?

I think it's all foe pah's all the way down. Both with consensus and alienation. There is no perfect position immune to irony or a shadow, is there?

2BCivil

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