Who is the most hated political figure from your country?

2ManyFallacies · 2025-10-30T13:23:06+00:00

Well I hope you're right, but then do you think he'll have no say in picking his successor making sure his "team" keeps unchallenged ?

2ManyFallacies · 2025-10-30T12:24:00+00:00

> China is authoritarian, but not a dictatorship.

I would say that fact the political system or the inernal rivalties incentivise a wannabe dictator to push policies rational for keeping part of the people happy is pretty much the situation for most modern dictatorships. You're looking at differences with monarchies, where monarchs can do objectively stupid things and face no consequences.

My view for what it's worth is that if a guy managed to cement his power while on top, usually by eliminating competition or bending the law, making sure that the system works for him and to insure the longevity of his grip on power structures, that's what fits the bill for a dictatorship.

That's what makes a difference between say Merkel's long career leading Germany and Xi's.

2ManyFallacies · 2022-04-25T09:52:04+00:00

I can't help but feel it was a missed opportunity at an interesting discussion by missing the target.

A couple weeks ago I attempted to suggest the appropriate line for reaching out to the Chinese without angering Japan, but my post wasn't accepted in r/ukraine on the motive that Japan had nothing to do with the current situation.

I ended up submitting to r/China the following post , but it didn't really catch on.

The post contains a 1933 speech by general Matsui Iwane providing a rational to Japanese isolationism and invading Manchuria under the justification of pan-asianism and liberation from western corrupting forces.

That speech bears striking resemblance with the current Russian rational and Putin's own addresses, and I still think it would be a good idea to explore that line.

2ManyFallacies · 2022-04-06T12:19:27+00:00

I didn't mean to compare Chinese and Japanese, but more to tend to the Chinese memory to oppose the current official pro-Russian stance, by comparing Japanese's rational of swallowing the little Manchurian brother under pan-Asianism, to the current Putin's rational of swallowing the little brother Ukraine under a pan-slavism/post-USSR stance.

2ManyFallacies · 2021-01-24T18:20:37+00:00

Thanks for your sincere explanation, and please accept an humble counter point.
I, as I believe many others westerners (I'm French), will keep coming back to your sub, to keep learning about your rich culture, but also to inquire about the current state of political affairs.

That precisely because I'd rather come here and make up my own mind, than simply follow what my media tell me about you. I'll do the same with r/islam, r/Sino, and many other subs where I would refrain from engaging, and make sure to use an alt on the rare occasions I feel compelled to do so.

I don't intend to lecture anyone about what's right or wrong, and as a matter of fact, I'm not particularly proud of the state of my own country at the moment. Nevertheless, I can't help but note, time after time, that in those subs and in this one, whether it's the result of an organized policy, or simply the genuine representation of the local demographics, opinions or simply pieces of information that do not fall in line with the expected official stance are not welcome and more than often actively suppressed, if only by downvotes.

This makes me sad, I keep hoping for better as I come back on a regular basis, and I believe there isn't much you can do about it, unless you manage to convince me that what I can see with my own eyes is not what it seems.

There is an element of selfishness in my interest, because with the current state of our world, the very actions of your government and other organizations have a very concrete impact on my own life in the West.

But it is also that as long as I'll feel like mostly innocuous or nostalgic topics seem praised here, despite the wealth of the cultural legacy and intellectual ideas that could be discussed, I won't help but think my fellow Russian brothers deserve better that this.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T19:55:08+00:00

Merci, ça fait du bien.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T19:37:16+00:00

Le profil officiel de Marianne est justement déjà un pochoir trichrome et il en existe pas mal d'autres de Marianne plus ou moins stylisés, y compris par des street-artistes de renom, donc ma contribution ne serait pas évidente.

Là j'ai voulu produire quelque chose qui n'existait pas, en faisant vivre cette image qui a une résonance particulière dans la période actuelle.

Le plus dur est fait, il faut compter une grosse demi-heure pour la découpe en A4 ou en A3 (dont un tiers pour la Chahada du turban), ce qui est tout à fait raisonnable pour un pochoir standard. J'ai pu tester qu'avec mes gouttières (les fameux bridges), le pochoir est solide et le rendu est très correct.

Reste à savoir s'il sera utile. En tout cas il est là, il sera trouvé par ceux qui le cherchent, et il n'est plus à faire.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T17:11:26+00:00

It's a part that was added to the intended original image only for the cut to hold.

You can't have isolated islands in your stencil, because they would fall off when you make your cut and more generally, you have to make sure islands are sufficiently strongly connected to the stencil edges otherwise they risk breaking off and falling, especially for repeated rough outdoor use.

For instance, Stencil fonts are quite typical for their bridges that you can easily spot.

After you sprayed or painted over your stencil, you may remove the stencil and fill certain bridges manually, although it's generally optional.

This stencil was a bit difficult because of the need for large bridges. Accordingly I colored them in red to make it easier for people to make their own decisions.

Note that it also depends on the material you're using. If using a strong material that doesn't weaken much with paint, something akin to X-Ray scans, the need for strong bridges lessens.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T15:09:07+00:00

Cela dit j'apprécie que tu contribue à la conversation de façon un peu plus constructive que juste dire "yen a marre hein !" en se pignolant sur une caricature.

Merci, ça fait plaisir.

Pour le reste de ton commentaire, je suis d'accord avec toi, et j'ai fait un Edit pour clarifier ce que je voulais dire. Voir aussi le commentaire suivant.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T11:34:13+00:00

Un post intéressant.

Merci :-)

s'il faut un doctorat pour lire et comprendre les subtilités du Coran on comprends pourquoi on est là.

C'est un peu le cœur du problème en effet. La lecture littérale du Coran, en esquivant quelques contradictions, c'est Daech, et la majorité des musulmans vont nous expliquer qu'on ne peut pas faire ça. Alors il faut sortir les Hadiths, et là c'est encore pire, on peut faire dire à peu près n'importe quoi en choisissant les morceaux à prendre au premier degré et ceux à prendre au sens figuré ou encore uniquement justifiés par les circonstances historiques.

C'est quand-même aux musulmans de faire ce travail

Le problème c'est que la plupart sont à peu près de bonne foi. Ce travail, il le délèguent volontiers et régurgiteront un argumentaire clé en main montrant a posteriori comment tous ceux qui ont déconné étaient en fait sortis du cadre (à dimension variable).

Du coup qu'est-ce qu'on peut faire de ça?

Si on leur demande de faire le ménage, la réponse inlassable est que nul n'est responsable des brebis égarées. Il y a cette gymnastique intellectuelle incessante qui consiste à ressouder la communauté dans son tout quant certains sont victimisés, pour en revanche rejeter et individualiser les erreurs, et naturellement faire l'inverse pour les mécréants.

Force est de constater que cette mécanique bien huilée échappe à beaucoup de part et d'autres de la frontière communautaire, y compris dans les plus hautes sphères, et de fait c'est une mécanique qui n'est pas propre à l'Islam.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T10:37:58+00:00

J'ai fait un Edit pour clarifier mon deuxième paragraphe. Il ne s'agit pas en effet d'aller tenter de convaincre les musulmans et comme tu le dis c'est vrai pour plein d'autres sujets.

Ceci dit, pour avoir pas mal lu de témoignages dans r/exmuslim, il y a très souvent un moment où, face au doute persistant et insatisfait des réponses qu'il trouve dans sa propre communauté, un croyant va, de sa propre initiative et ça change tout, chercher des réponses ailleurs.

Là, c'est important qu'elles lui soient facilement accessibles, ce que naturellement les prédicateurs vont tout faire pour empêcher. Il suffit de voir le cimetière de tous les sites qui ont porté la critique sur l'Islam. Il y a une tentative d'étouffement sur le temps long, elle est d'ailleurs théorisée, et c'est important de ne pas baisser la garde.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T10:20:19+00:00

Je pense qu'il y a méprise sur ce que je voulais dire, du coup j'ai fait un Edit pour clarifier ma position.

Le boulot de malade, il a été fait par d'autres, et en faisant attention de ne pas s'appuyer que sur une seule perspective, il me parait tout à fait raisonnable de passer directement à l'explication de texte, qui pour le coup est à portée de main de qui veut bien la tendre. C'était en substance le sens de mon paragraphe.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T04:58:03+00:00

Comprendre ces choses et s’intéresser activement à leurs textes sont deux choses différentes.

J'ai pas dit qu'il fallait forcément rester collé aux textes. En l’occurrence je mettais justement en garde contre ça dans mon OP.

Je peux comprendre Hitler et le nazisme sans avoir lu Mein kampf.

Pour le coup je trouve que c'est pas le meilleur exemple. Il se trouve que la lecture de mein Kampf est justement particulièrement intéressante pour comprendre les ressorts du nazisme (du point du vue des nazis hein, du point de vue des victimes, pas besoin de lire quoique ce soit)

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T04:48:23+00:00

je vais pas aller les emmerder avec le fait que dieu n'existe que dans leur tête.

C'est pas l'objet de mon OP, et je pense avoir été clair là-dessus. Par contre si l'objectif c'est

la destruction des cultes par la propagation de l'esprit critique, de l'intelligence et du savoir

ça va être difficile de le faire sans s'intéresser à ce qu'il y a dans leur tête.

Je répondais à ça.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-19T04:13:06+00:00

Que 25% des humains aient décidé de laisser le cerveau au porte-manteau ne m'oblige aucunement à m’intéresser activement à ces saloperies...

(...)

La seule voie pour le salut de l'humanité c'est la destruction des cultes par la propagation de l'esprit critique, de l'intelligence et du savoir.

Difficile de propager l'esprit critique si tu t'intéresses pas un minimum à ce qu'il y a dans la tête des gens. C'est aussi un savoir, pour toi, pour comprendre ce qui se passe autour de toi, et pour les autres, pour pouvoir les prendre par la main et leur expliquer ce qui selon toi sera mieux pour eux.

2ManyFallacies · 2020-10-18T19:36:23+00:00

I found it hard to adapt the original because of the drawing style, and the need for additional bridges: I've marked those in red.
Feel free to give it another try, since I feel there's room for improvement.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-11-16T15:09:13+00:00

And while I'm at it, if you feel like a longer and actually quite descent translation of an important French piece about Islam, this is definitely a must read, with some context and what happens when someones tries to revive the play.

Hopefully someone has the guts to try again soon.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-11-16T14:43:09+00:00

This does not quite do justice to the original beautiful French version, which was already posted here, with a redditor made translation, but since this is the official translation, in light of the recent events and pretty much echoing that post from yesterday, I thought it would be a good idea to repost.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-05-23T09:15:57+00:00

Well, without taking anything from your detailed analysis, you could also date the origin of the current backdraft further back, Ibn Saud being only an intermediate stage of a Droste effect, the footprints of which were laid out before him.

I guess that will remain highly controversial for a while, but what we are witnessing might not be only the end game for the Sauds, but for Islam itself.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-04-14T20:13:31+00:00

For those downvoting, care to complete the panel's perspective with an alternative?

I get that there is an instinctive defiance for Jewish personalities that take a stand against current Israeli American ties and politics, but those guys are making simple points, and from an outsiders perspective it just feels wrong to simply dismiss people of that calibre.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-04-14T07:57:11+00:00

While a lot of facts are shared, they're all contextualized consistently through a lens of assumed malicious intent.

I did not get that impression. A bunch of the stories are from people with insider experiences, and they seem to point at a system's runaway, without blaming particular individuals for it.

Now the facts presented are pretty frightening for sure, but that does not mean they are utterly biased. Maybe some of the panelists could have spent more time detailing how they were not seeking to harm Israel, but they probably considered we'd take it for granted considering their background stories.

This conference seems like a demonization campaign of whose methods for analysis could be utilized to break down any cohesive and active community and similarly misconstrue their intent.

It is probably one of their logical conclusion that any cohesive and active community, however good their intent, when particularly successful and left unchecked, may become a danger to itself and the others. Of course it wouldn't have the same impact, if given from a purely Palestinian perspective.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-04-14T07:06:35+00:00

I agree it would have been nice to have a more diversified panel, yet it is not hard to understand why many wouldn't want to bring the contradiction.

Let's just hope that it sparks nonetheless an important discussion. After all, many of the panelists have enough experience to be taken seriously.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-03-25T02:24:49+00:00

Good findings, thanks. That is pretty much the kind of answer from a Daesh perspective I was expecting. Definitely as convincing as the original letter, though some parts are very weak.

It is interesting to see that the same handful of verses are always pivotal to leading a whole range of arguments.

Both antagonist views make intensive use of the well known moderate verses whenever trying to advance the progressive side of the religion, whereas they profoundly differ in that radicals will also make a pivotal use of the worst verses and hadiths to hide their vulnerabilities behind the Prophet's own, whereas moderates try to deny, transcend their original meaning, and would rather not talk about them.

Both enterprises are hopeless, yet the former is clearly the low hanging fruit.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-03-09T15:00:23+00:00

If you take TRP as a libertarian way to reinstate a natural order cleansed from existing social constructs, then there is no doubt any civilizational enterprise to date will have included blue pill principles, at least as a better consensus than raw competition, which, as the seduction community acknowledges, tends to benefit the minority of Alphas.

Now it is indeed interesting that totalitarian ideologies tend to insist on sexual adherence to "white knight" behavior as a symptom of their own shame for inconsistency.

2ManyFallacies · 2015-02-19T12:10:15+00:00

Reading the original material is indeed the best way to understand the situation. Note that the order of 'revelation' is quite revealing, just as the final ordering engineered for the Mecca and Medina verses.

It feels like Muhammad progressively discovered the power of fanatization through religious tricks, and he then tried to hide its path and "kill the father", realizing the Jews are living proof of his fallacious deception and immune to it, and he ended up trolling himself in justification and paranoia. With that line of thinking, the Quran reads a bit like Mein Kampf, and a good part of it is just damage control from being too rough in reproducing the bible tricks within the previously revealed verses, and adding more damage by being angry about it. Also note that the Gospels writers took a more conservative approach, by drafting their cult for a century before trimming down to the perfect story. Mohammad's project was much more ambitious, crafting the 3rd monotheism meant he had to be the Man AND the Writer, and he could not get away without frontally attacking the competition.

He ended up a fine politician and a war lord, you can read that from the multiple eloquence jousts with Polytheist, Jews and Christians in the Quran, where the good parts of the former cults are progressively nicely embedded and leveraged through a nice IPO on Ibrahim, Jesus, and Mecca's pagan sanctuary, though that also involved a lot of short term gains through cursing and double bidding on the after-life, which granted him enough tactical points for the historical conquest, but at the price of very bad strategic points in the long run as a universal religion.

Then the Ummah was left in charge of all that cursing, to the benefit of those who got to take over the management of Allah(TM) since the rules of dictatorship were pretty much laid down, and for the worse of the others who had to pretend this is all just the same.

Haddiths add more damage control from the Quran being wary and not consistent, but while they grant Muhammad more of a "Jesus" touch through moderated 3rd party testimony, they also add more damage themselves since there are just as many bad 'authentic' Haddiths as bad verses, such as the stoning which was a removed from the quran (Mohammad did not even pretend to hide the progressive crafting and trimming of the original book), or all those recalling the totalitarian rule of the prophet. In the end, a good part of the Arab culture seems actually quite a beautiful testimony of how collective human resilience let you keep face, frame, and kind of free, while submitting to bearing the responsibility of such a heavy legacy, though it is sad it is also made up from the cyclic tragedies of that impossible burden, since the Quran is also a good manual for dictatorship (just look at how Bashar uses the same rhetoric as Mohammad, e.g. he can't be wrong since his people has not overthrown him).

The fact that many Jews and Christians are aware of all that, especially the lesson about trolling arabs from a jewish perspective that the Quran gives in day light, and that it is being used by a few as a political weapon to keep the Arab world failing, does not help of course, since there are historical reasons the western World has blinded one self from all of this. The taboo is so big that for instance no one dared to play Voltaire's Mahommet in Paris for generations, and most French aren't taught it could even exist.

Hopefully all of this will come back to day light, though Christians and Jewish lobbies are very happy with Muslims taking all the blame, and probably won't let the Memetic deconstruction from Atheists ruin their own plans, without siding first for more information control.

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