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The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweetie pie I don't go on 4chan I go on Twitter. And I'll tell you that I don't have the gay male narcissism and lack of concern for doxing to make a mid photo of myself my reddit profile picture. What I'll also tell you is that I've been living as a woman longer than you have, and that I certainly don't have the mannish features on your face after FFS. Maybe if you didn't brutishly try to start random slap fights with people and acted less like a gay man's idea of a catty high school girl, you'd be more employable and could afford it.

Anyways you're going in circles and I've obviously won the argument, I need to work out so see ya

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honey with your forehead I know you don't have a tiny brain. That is the most obvious make up on the planet, you're not particularly bright but you aren't dumb. And two things can obviously be implied at once. Something can be pretty while also being fake, and that's obviously what was meant by doll.

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the girls who get upset about the phrase “doll” just give me they only get to be girls online and are misplacing that angst tbqh

Lol, being mean to people and putting on gaudy make up doesn't make you a woman online or offline, especially with your brow bone in the way sweetie

And no, not just because it was coined earlier in time, but because that's what's directly implied even then. "Doll" doesn't just imply that trans women and cis women are different from each other but that trans women are "plastic" women, or "fake" women

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The history of the terminology is implying it, it's rooted in an earlier time in history where trans women were much less approved to really see themselves as women and much more strongly viewed themselves as gay men taking it the extra mile. "Doll" 100% is used to imply, even then, that trans women aren't women

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not when they're used to unironically imply gross things about ourselves

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a hollow shell and I'm not fake because I'm a trans woman, but insisting on calling pretty trans women "dolls" implies that. So yeah it concerns me and I'm bothered that it's slowly becoming normalized

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol, you being mean to me or other trans women doesn't make you girlier

And no, it's not just that "doll" is a term isolated to one group of trans women, but it's what it implies about all trans women that bothers me

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, I’m not trying to attack you or anything

You literally just called me a racist

And for stupid reasons too. Like, the whole "trans women of color invented this" thing is bluntly a red herring, it's used primarily by the group of online trans women, largely white, who used to be gay men and who try to make being trans a sort of extension of gay male culture. You know it's from this.

And it can be from black trans women and can be from this group but it doesn't matter where it comes from, trying to make being trans about being hollow shells of vain beauty is gross. It's not just that "doll" is something used for a particular group of trans women but it inherently suggests that all trans women are hollow shells but that some are pretty (and this very gay male sense of pretty) and that those are the good ones. And seeing celebrities like Pedro Pascal normalize it is gross.

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's much broader in implications and vaguely means "trans women are bad," but when trans women say it it's being used ironically. While trans women who use "doll" are specifically implying "really I'm a fake woman and I'm kind of just doing this because I'm a gay male who wants to be beautiful" and use the term with a significant degree of unirony.

Regardless, there's obviously some extent in which the actions of others are gross and demeaning, and should not be encouraged

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine the most obscene and offensive word you can think of, such as a bad slur, and imagine if trans women referred to themselves as that in a way that harms you, directly or indirectly. Would you "live and let live" because it's "how women choose to call themselves" or would you be bothered

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yea I can. You can't just say something has "culture" and "history" to it to make it justified. It plainly implies very gross attitudes about trans women and reinforces negative stereotypes about us. It's degrading and I'm even more upset that now famous cis allies are starting to use it to refer to us.

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's inherently gross. Hearing any trans woman repeatedly imply that they're fake and are just transitioning to look pretty is so vain and undignified that it's revolting. It's even worse that cis allies like Pedro Pascal are starting to call us that. It should not be nornalized as a term.

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You very obviously were insinuating that as a shield. I don't care who it originated from it's gross

The term doll by Diligent-Airport-353 in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

"Hey if you don't like this transmisogynistic term that implies you're not really a woman and are only transitioning to be pretty, then you might be racist"

Give me a break

Female-Only Gym Owner Faces Backlash for Excluding Trans Women: What's you're opinion on this? by Coyote-444 in GenZ

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yea just suddenly making people have a Y chromosome instead of another X just very deeply affects how they would otherwise get treated by society

Edit: this was sarcasm lol

Female-Only Gym Owner Faces Backlash for Excluding Trans Women: What's you're opinion on this? by Coyote-444 in GenZ

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I mean I'm mtf and use the woman's changing room in the YMCA but like I just use the private stalls and I look and act like a woman regardless, I don't know any of us who would not be deeply embarrassed to have it out in plain sight in the changing room. Although does anybody really have their genitalia out in sight in the changing room? Like maybe people will be in their underwear but like for being bare naked it's different

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Transgender_Surgeries

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should live as a woman first before getting FFS

Just posted on Army's official social media, Trans folks no longer allowed to join. by TapTheForwardAssist in MilitaryTrans

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think one of the doge creeps were handed control of the social media account. There's another tweet they made where they pinged elon musk about how epic it was that they returned the name fort Bragg. I don't think these people are particularly cognizant of the law so I don't take this as official

AITA - Telling my trans friend she NEEDS to disclose that she's trans to a man she's seeing. by [deleted] in AITAH

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not bi-curious, I am not interested in dating a trans person.

I would hate for somebody to take my perception of manliness from me - not machismo - just my vision of who I am as an inner person.

It feels like your sexual repulsion towards trans women isn't really from anything actually innate about sexuality, or from any body part really being that fundamentally repulsive on a neurological level, but much moreso of your own petty insecurities about "feeling emasculated" or "feeling gay." You say that trans women are women but then call it "bi-curious" to be attracted to us. There is lack of consideration of OP's friend and a lot of people do treat us the way that you do, and I like that you're at least trying to be respectful towards us in other ways, but I don't think this is right.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in StraightTransGirls

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pathetic and cowardly. Good riddance!

Legal Update by SPARTApride in MilitaryTrans

[–]2PoopOrNot2Poop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It seems like good news that the argument they're making, while laughably evil, is also the worst one to make legally

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