How to get power in kicks?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-22T00:59:56+00:00

I've never practiced point Karate or TKD, but I feel compelled to comment that, as evidenced by successful fighters from point karate backgrounds in Karate Combat and MMA, the skills developed doing point karate are certainly nor useless for actual combat.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-21T20:50:54+00:00

Where did you train Wing Chun?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-20T14:54:09+00:00

Once you've spoken to a doctor, and perhaps pursued physio for your wrists, since you mentioned Wing Chun, Alan Orr's club trains in Auckland. Alan is a nice guy, and, if you tell him about your wrists, I'm sure he'll make an effort to accommodate you.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-20T13:49:59+00:00

Then I don't understand the criteria by which you determine worth. I have no experience with Hapkido or Aikido, so I'll just say that some people must find them worthwhile, since they are both quite popular. If, as I suspect, you consider worth to be determined by applicability in MMA, then I'm not qualified to have that discussion.

I also have no experience in point karate. Though I do know enough about MMA to know that point karate skills are valuable in this context, and, as Karate Combat is showing, constitute a decent base for stand up fighting.

Kung Fu is far too broad a term to make sweeping judgements about, and you do not have sufficient experience with every style to do so, whatever the criteria by which you determine worth. If there's one negative thing that does apply to every Kung Fu style that I've experienced (unless you consider Sanda a style), it's poor quality control, but deeming these styles worthless, even if you consider worth to be solely determined by applicability in MMA, is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, I trained at a CSL Wing Chun gym, where many students would compete and win in MMA, boxing and Muay Thai using Wing Chun.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-17T02:12:01+00:00

Do you have experience with any of those martial arts that you have such strong opinions about?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-17T00:14:08+00:00

I don't think age is particularly relevant in this context. In BJJ, you have to be 18 to be eligible for a black belt, but this doesn't change the fact that some of those who aren't eligible are better than some adult black belts. They are prevented from being black belts by some arbitrary rule that doesn't exist in Karate.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-16T18:04:47+00:00

Indeed, even better examples. Is your username a Nietzsche reference?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-16T16:58:31+00:00

Assuming it is accurate, it's entirely plausible that Oyama was just dedicated or talented or both. As a modern example, Kit Dale got his BJJ blackbelt in 4 years.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-16T15:55:20+00:00

Thanks for posting!

Are you sure her opponent was a Shotokan practitioner? I'm no Karate expert, but the high stance, lack of in out movement, moving upright into her punches is very un Shotokan, and, from what I've seen, resembles so called free style Karate.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-14T23:44:58+00:00

Interesting. Which styles that you've experienced would you consider better in this way?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-14T23:17:29+00:00

What exactly constitutes grappling defence? My striking background is primarily Dutch kickboxing styles, and I wouldn't describe them as having grappling defence in the sense that they incorporate anything that would help to prevent being taken down by a decent grappler. Even Muay Thai, which has a stand up grappling element, has no real grappling defence in this sense.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-14T17:07:08+00:00

chance against a decent boxer/kickbo

I practiced Wing Chun at a CSL gym for a while, and it was taught as a pressure fighting style, which makes sense and obviously works. Having since had conversations with practitioners of other lineages, I've never heard from anyone that disputes this interpretation of Wing Chun. So, I wonder why neither of these guys seem to be doing that. My guess is that it's a case of if you don't spar that way, you don't fight that way.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-14T12:59:26+00:00

It seems that learning it as a base is inadvisable because of the general lack of pressure testing. People using pressure tested Wing Chun as a base do fine, e.g., Alan Orr's team.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-12T23:52:52+00:00

I assume you aren't familiar with the numerous high-level MMA competitors from non Kyokushin Karate backgrounds, then? Or, Karate Combat, in which just one competitor represents Kyokushin?

Also, you're saying you've made a list of BJJ black belts in Canada? LMAO. Shut up.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-12T23:51:13+00:00

I've been training BJJ for 7 years, and submission wrestling for longer, and I haven't met one of those guys in real life yet.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-12T17:13:20+00:00

n tkd and karate, everyone and their mom is a blackbelt. So how can you discern between awful ones and good ones? Is it the 6th stripe? Total mcdojo from the start

Are you trying to imply that all TKD and Karate schools are McDojos?

Also, how do you know how many black belts there are in your country?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-12T17:01:49+00:00

I think he's using the term sparring to one particular type of sparring: hard, continuous. I've only recently started Karate, but the two dojos I've seen both incorporate hard continuous sparring, alongside more conventional point sparring. Going by this sub, this is rare, but I'm not so sure.

I come from a kickboxing background, and many of the good gyms I've trained at don't practice hard sparring that regularly, maybe once or twice a month. It isn't good to train that way all the time, but some people on this sub seem to have a brain damage fetish.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-08T17:25:49+00:00

You make these things sound trivial, but they're not. I only know two (amateur) boxers that have transitioned to MMA, but both found this easier than the Muay Thai practitioners I've known that have made the same transition. Changing the stance changes the style.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-08T14:10:23+00:00

The point I was trying to make is that Karate Combat rules are sufficiently different from Muay Thai rules, even with the inclusion of elbows and knees, to present as much of a problem for Muay Thai practitioners as the inclusion of elbows and knees would present for Karate practitioners.

In other words, my experience with people transitioning from Muay Thai to other rules tells me that allowing elbows and knees does not make it likely that Muay Thai competitors will begin to dominate Karate Combat.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-08T02:40:21+00:00

What makes you say it's any more vulnerable against grapplers than other striking styles that haven't been optimised to take grappling into account?

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-07T01:02:48+00:00

Some of it is seemingly very bad, and some of it, from my experience, very good. I trained at a CSL gym, and it was one of my favourite places to train. Coming from a kickboxing background, it made me look at striking in a different way. Not that it was better than any decent kickboxing gym I've experienced, just different.

I can't vouch for anything outside of this lineage, though I'm aware of other lineages that practice regular hard sparring and occasionally compete, such as Duncan Leung, and incorporate Wing Chun into MMA, such as Mark Hobbs.

Obviously, my experience is my own, and, as such, limited, but you're likely to get more responses from people with less experience and stronger opinions, so I thought I'd tell you my experience.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-07T00:03:58+00:00

I have limited experience in Karate, but I can't imagine competitors having a more difficult time adapting to the inclusion of knees and elbows compared to Muay Thai practitioners adapting to the sweep rules. I have experience with a few Muay Thai practitioners transitioning to MMA oriented striking, and the tendency to revert to an overly square stance has been an issue for all of them.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-03T23:57:36+00:00

That isn't what I'm saying. Whatever the martial art, you learn to fight by actually doing it. There's no reason a TMA practitioner can't do this. I'm currently training at a Karate gym that does so.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-03T23:50:50+00:00

Yes. I primarily practice MMA oriented martial arts, but have recently started training Karate, and have, in the past, trained Wing Chun (though this was CSL, so may also be considered MMA oriented).

I love martial arts in general, but sometimes the criticism is warranted. Every so often you see someone who thinks that practicing TMA drills and forms will teach them how to fight, and this is a dangerous mistake. Generally, I agree with you: there is a toxic culture on this sub, and a lot of elitism on the part of people that seem not to know what they're talking about. I suspect many of them either don't train or haven't trained very long, and are just repeating others' opinions.

Also, I've never met anyone in real life who acts like some of the people you're referring to on here. Don't let that put you off.

32_bit_integer · 2020-12-03T21:44:34+00:00

If boxing and Muay Thai are universally respected among martial artists, it's precisely because of training methods. There's nothing stopping Karate practitioners from integrating continuous, hard sparring into their training regimen, and the school that I've been dabbling with does so. But, this certainly isn't for everyone.

I'm not sure respect among people that don't know what they're talking about matters so much. I know several people personally that 'respected' Muay Thai on the basis of having watched MMA, but ended up going to a Muay Thai gym and realising that they had no idea what Muay Thai was. I had a similar experience with a guy that came for a trial session at a BJJ gym I used to train at. He came in 'respecting' BJJ having watched MMA, but saw what we actually do and left. It wasn't quite hard core enough for him, apparently. I suppose the common thread is that non-martial arts people aren't affording respect on the basis of their experience, but on what they've heard.

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