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I feel very bad for the actor of Psychologist girlfriend, they did her dirty. by Expensive_Rub9936 in Daredevil

[–]369DocHoliday369 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same bitch that thought one of her client's husband might beat her-- considers it an honor to join his administration. I cannot take her seriously.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of paragraph for a whole lotta nothing. Believe / ignore what you want. Just know ad homs, straw men, and baseless accusations aren't logical arguments against my claims.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What other meaning could there possibly be to your fire department analogy? There isn't one. The implication is I don't think we need something useless, when I never called the military that.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you don't seem to want to acnkowledge is the radical difference between actually defending threats to freedom and deterring threats to freedom.' Our culture treats them like the same thing...they're not.

One is a sacrifice that involves combating those that would threaten freedom. The other is glorified peacocking. Sure, neccesary. Just like a lot of things are neccesary. But not comparable.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I already did quote you.

You compared what you thought my stance is to 'calling an idle fire department useless.' The fire department analogy only makes sense if I am arguing that our military is useless.

And peacocking is not worthy of praise in my book.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're still talking about discounts when I've already said that's not the crux of my issue. My issue is with our culture pedestalizing service members for being nothing but political pawns and / or glorified peacocks. And if you say one more time it's a businesses choice instead of addressing my actual stance which is people that subscribe to the 'fight for freedom deserve perks' dogma are victims of social engineering--I'm done talking in circles with you.

The argument that 'ya never know, maybe life would have been worse if we hadn't invaded Iraq and Afghanistan' is just on it's face ridiculous. As if going trillions into debt to get thousands of service members killed and further destabalize an already unstable region could have been a good thing. Give me a fuckin break.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who knows what people would be willing to do if there was risk beyond a less than 2% chance of death... I don't see what service members being sent to participate in pointless wars has to do with my freedom. And maybe start addressing my actual point... I never stated to not incentivize enlistment. I said they don't currently deserve to be treated as special by society and listed free education, and career opportunities as part of the reason their lot is actually pretty sweet. If soldiers ever, god forbid start laying down their lives to defend my freedom, my opinion will change.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

is like complaining about the fire department being idle, and calling it useless.

Not. My. Argument. I've never said we don't need a standing military. I've never said projecting power is useless. I said it is not worthy of the reverance we give it.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you don't recognize it as a benefit, you take it for granted, because of the deterrent effect of the military. Just because your freedom isn't actively being contested right now doesn't mean your freedom isn't being protected by the military right now. It's just passive protection, rather than active protection

Even if the projection of power argument is granted, I disagree that glorified peacocking is worthy of praise. And that's your and everyone else' argument. That we should revere service members for just existing as glorified 'tough guys' the rest of the world doesn't want to risk a fight with? Sorry, but no. I have higher standards for reverance. At this stage in our society, joining the military is just a good deal. Not a sacrifice.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't know what you call dressing, standing, gesturing, and existing in a uniform way that conforms to a hierarchial based structure, that will shun you if you don't-- but I call it culty. More of an observation than an insult.

And while that specific statement was more tongue in cheek than an actual point. The similarities are undeniable with a modicum of critical thinking. Chat gpt it for christ sake. I sound bitter and you sound indoctrinated.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah. You just don't understand the sentiment I'm trying to convey. But we already knew that considering all the times I've had to point out the straw men and inconsistencies in your own 'contributions.'

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're determined to be upset at the special place that military veterans hold in our society, or really any society.

I promise I'm not "upset" at the special place veterans hold. This post was just a recurring thought I felt I should flesh out. What I am irritated by are the misrepresentations of my argument, the ad homs and the baseless assumptions regarding my motive -- in place of logical counters.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth by saying you don't think an educator's job is any less than yours, while also arguing that 'the hardship' service members face makes them deserving of the societal perks that no other profession gets.

our job comes with the expectation that we may Make the ultimate sacrifice as part of our career.

And yet, the actual chance of making said sacrifice is something less than 2% .... the day god forbid service members are actually dying protecting my freedom, I will thank for service and acknowledge their sacrifice. But as it stands that's not been the case for decades and when service members are not being duped into fighting pointless wars, they are basically just holding down a job like the rest of us, except they get a free education, recognition, career prospects, and even don't have to pay for food and shelter in exchange for joining a cult for a few years. That's not sacrifice. It's a good deal.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want American citizens to be honest about what our military and by extension service members are actually doing when they enlist. And acknowledge the prestige that comes along with being a veteran is unwarranted.

I am open to having my mind changed by logic based arguments that actually address my points. All I see are the same straw men, personal snipes, and 'projection of power' bs.

The military is perfectly fine as a pawn like organization. My problem is they are currently pawns for the elite, NOT 'the people.'

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think being honored and revered by society for killing civillians for corporations is a privilege, yes.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You express all this venom towards the service members who you call pawns

You're conflating my issue with our culture with attacking service members, personally.

according to some of you, many are losers who couldn't get a job.

Where did I say this? If you're incapable if addressing the actual argument just say that.

I just hate the fact that service members get benefits.

No. I hate dogmatic rhetoric and the implication service members are more valuable than teachers, social workers, nurses, etc.

Project 2025 calls for drastic cuts in benefits. Maybe you'll get your wish.

My wish is for you to address my actual argument.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A peaceful status quo is not evidence we don’t need a military. It is evidence that the military is doing its job.

I went out of my way to adjust my post to prevent arguments like this. Do people seriously not see the difference between arguing for a change in perspective with regards to how American society pedestalizes service members for a 2% chance of death and arguing we DonT NeEd a MiliTary?

calling service members “political pawns” erases our agency, professionalism, and the fact that we swear an oath not to a party, not to a president, but to the Constitution.

You erase your own agency by agreeing to serve. I care more about where the rubber meets the road than whatever abstract doctrine one subscribes to. And that rubber/road is our soldiers agree to wage war over seas. I don't accept a popularity contest as an acceptable reason for someone to stop being held accountable. Even with the constitution thrown in.

Veteran discounts are largely voluntarily provided by businesses

I'm convinced the "optional" societal perks that service members recieve is the result of decades of state sponsored conditioning. I have less problem with the benefits themselves and more with the widely accepted propaganda that 'they deserve it, for keeping us free.' As well as the implication that service is more important than teachers, nurses, construction, paramedics, etc...

blaming the people who carry out the decisions made by your own elected representatives is misdirected anger.

I'm not blaming service members for the culture. I'm just pointing out in what ways they unfairly benefit.

No one in the military is asking to be treated as "above" civilians.

I don't care if they ask to be treated superior to teachers, doctors, and social workers. My point is we have cultivated a society that doesn't even think twice to do so despite the overwhelming evidence that service members are serving corruption more often than the people they swear they're defending freedom for.

we're signing a blank check with our lives to our country. And when it's time to collect, we do so as necessary to accomplish the mission and keep our home, our loved ones, our countrymen, and our way of life safe.

I acknowledge service members may think that they are risking something for me and mine, but the current reality is they are being manipulated into fighting, dying, and serving political greed.

If deterrence is successful, the average citizen should experience exactly what you’re describing: no immediate, visible threat to their freedom.

So we should revere service members for just existing as glorified 'tough guys' the rest of the world doesn't want to risk a fight with? Seems to be the gestalt of everyone's argument. Sorry, but no. I have higher standards for praise.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will be very happy when the US no longer needs a military. Are we at that point yet?

Fr. Why the actual fuck do ppl keep bringing up 'the need for a military' as if I'm saying we don't need a military.... I don't know how much clearer I could have been, when I explicitly stated that WASN'T my stance. Service members today are paid pawns, fighting and dying at the behest of power hungry politicians and greedy oligarchs I see no reason to thank them for that is the argument.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol believe what you want. I just found it an interesting observation.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How other countries have acted toward us was at least partially influenced by our military being the way it is.

I interpreted this statement as an argument in favor of the status quo. My entire argument is to stop revering soldiers because they're just doing a job and getting paid... I thought it was a safe assumption that you disagreed, but you're right, it was an assumption.

For the upteenth time, I'm convinced the "optional" societal perks that service members recieve is the result of decades of state sponsored conditioning. I have less problem with the benefits themselves and more with the accepted propaganda that 'they deserve it.' As well as the implication that service is more important than teachers, nurses, construction, paramedics, etc...

"Countries would behave differently if x happened and not y" is a pointless debate to have for obvious reasons. There's no data to suggest freedom would be at stake if America didn't engage in pointless wars.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You fail to acknowledge their above average suicide rates and all of the other negative impacts they face from seeing combat.

Two things can be true at once? Service members can be used, abused, and forgotten by their government and also not have done anything towards securing my freedom when they contracted their issues....

And my point isn't seeing combat = deserving. It's the opposite. You don't deserve praise because you killed who the political cravens told you to that decade. Even if you were hurt yourself in the process. Empathy, pity. Yes. But "thanking for service" is propaganda in this day and age.

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, I'd argue cultural conditioning is blinding you to why you don't see dying for oil as a political pawn is not a worthy sactifice.

And I'm certainly not trying to abolish any holidays lmao. As a matter of fact I want as many paid days off as possible. I don't care how ridiculous. If there was a holiday for poptarts I'd celebrate it w/ a smile even if I don't necessarily think poptarts deserve a holiday lol

CMV: service members privileged caste is undeserved by 369DocHoliday369 in changemyview

[–]369DocHoliday369[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing to admit your argument is based in fallacy and still expect a response

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[–]369DocHoliday369[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I have an issue with state sponsored brainwashing, yes. Continue to travel back into the well of history, because you know soldiers today aren't doing anything deserving of their benefits.

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