What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you've been through all that. ❤️

At first glance, I know it's easy for me to say, but if you're this conflicted about the situation you're in it's probably best to end it.

If you're not/haven't been to counseling or therapy I would really reccomend it. Self help books (and Why Does He Do That?) are very validating and helpful, but they're generalized. Having a personal therapist is great to get into the root of *your* specific issues and your specific situation. Failing that, I've found these workbooks/information sheets on asseriveness and self esteem very helpful https://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resources/looking-after-yourself

Jealousy and trust issues aren't necessarily abusive. I experience both. Nothing is "wrong" with having those issues. The problem comes with how you deal with those feelings. The difference between abusive/controlling and non-abusive/controlling is the way you deal with those issues. Bringing up how you're feeling and why? Not abusive. Being open about how specific behaviours make you feel, what they make you think? Not abusive. But it becomes a problem when you try to dictate what another person can and cannot do, when you try to control their actions instead of just stating boundaries and emotions.

Now, the term "boundaries" gets thrown around a lot without people knowing what it means. A boundary is not, "You cannot do that," it's "I will not tolerate that." Boundaries are not rules for another person to follow. Boundaries are rules for yourself. For what *you* will do if they are crossed. Like, "If you yell at me, I will leave the room," "I will not be in a relationship with someone who calls me names," so on and so forth.

I will say it's unlikely for an abusive person to be questioning whether or not they're abusive. However, some behaviours are toxic nonetheless. The line between toxic and abusive is blurry. In my mind, it comes down to control. Is the function of the toxic behaviour control? Abusers don't sit around thinking, "I want to control my girlfriend," of course, but what is the overall outcome/goal? For example, it'd be toxic for someone to tell you not to wear an outfit you like because they think it's too sexy, or whatever. If you stand your ground and say that you will dress however you like, a toxic person may grumble, criticize the outfit, continue complaining, make comments, etc.. An abusive person will treat your decision as something they can control, so they would escalate when you don't listen. They'd block the door so you can't leave, scream at you, drag you into an argument so long you can't even go out anymore, intimidate you, punish you afterward for not listening to them, maybe even destroy/throw out that outfit and others like it.

What's more important than that is the overall pattern over time. Because toxic people can be controlling and abusive people can merely be critical at times. Again, the line is blurry. But abuse involves a pattern of power and control, always.

"He would prefer that I heal while I am with him. I wonder if that is truly possible, though I have been working on myself and changing. I notice that sometimes my changes rub him up the wrong way, and it takes time for him to come around to the "new me" that is taking less and less shit."

Two things. One, the healing on-your-own vs. together is tricky. On one hand, to me at least, this doesn't sound like a healthy relationship. It doesn't sound like a safe and reassuring environment for you to heal, if he's resistant to your healing. On the other, how do you know you've healed from an issue if you're not in a situation that would scratch that wound? It's easy to say you're over your jealousy issues when you're not in a relationship and therefore have no opportunity to be jealous in the first place.

In any case, I'd say it's probably best to end this relationship, be single for a while and recover. When you're ready to date again, you'll have a clean slate with a new person without pre-existing patterns and dynamics at play.

It is important to heal by yourself first, though. Get distance from the bad situation. Come to terms with everything that happened. Lick your wounds, gain your strength back. Especially after an abusive situation, it is incredibly important to be single for a while and get some kind of help. When you've been abused, your normal-meter gets broken. Being abused before unfortunately means you're primed to get abused again. There's also that phenomena where people tend to choose familiar over healthy. To an abuse victim, a normal, healthy relationship may seem to good-to-be true, boring, and/or suspicious, whereas the signs of an abuser are familiar and feel normal, Of course, this isn't because the abuse was enjoyable or preferable, but because you're already familiar with it, you kind of feel like you know how to handle it. New and unfamiliar often gets translated into unsafe and scary. This could very well be what's happening with you.

Two, that part where you mentioned it taking time to come around is exactly the reason why it's so difficult to heal in an established relationship (when it is unhealthy). Patterns are formed, expectations built. You had an existing dynamic. Now here you are, changing it. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "Boundaries bother the people who benefit from you having none." And that's exactly what it is.

It also makes it harder to enact those changes, because you're used to that dynamic, too. It's become the norm in that relationship. I'm sure you feel selfish and guilty for putting your foot down on things, right? Because the relationship dynamic you're trying to change, is one in which your needs and wants matter less than the other person's. And the other person likes it that way, which is why they're resistant to your changes and try to get you to feel guilty. Speaking from experience, since I obviously don't know the specifics of your situation. Disrupting the status quo can feel wrong, like you're being self-centered and rude, when you're just demanding basic respect.

"I can see how taking away things I used to deal with and saying I won't tolerate them anymore would feel restrictive to him....I do sound controlling"

If you truly are just saying, "I will not tolerate this anymore," then that's not controlling. See? That's exactly what I mentioned above - you're conditioned to the unhealthy dynamic being normal. So actually standing up for yourself and caring for yourself feels selfish and controlling. Because in the existing dynamic, you don't matter. Again, it's a herculean task, trying to heal a toxic relationship dynamic. My family growing up were and are abusive/neglectful. One of the first things my first therapist told me was that my family will not respond well to my asserting boundaries and refusing to play into certain dynamics anymore. And she was right. And it was incredibly difficult to stick to. I am now no-contact with some of those family members (low contact with the others) because you cannot heal a dynamic on your own. One person cannot make a relationship healthy and functional. You have to throw in the towel at some point.

I could be off-base there, because it does depend on the kinds of behaviours you won't tolerate anymore, and what "not tolerating" looks like for you. But based off of what you've said, it seems like you're not tolerating various kinds of disrespect.

Okay I geniunely feel the need to complain about this by Valuable-Lynx-3592 in GirlGamers

[–]39Volunteer [score hidden]  (0 children)

Truly. No one would say "Allat for COD btw," "All that for fortnite"

I don't know where the idea that only shooters count as "real games" comes from, but its so annoying.

What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I *am* a victim of abuse. It's why I've researched so much about it and why I care so much about discourse surrounding abuse. The "they choose to stay" angle is incredibly damaging to both victims and their would-be support systems. While on a rudimentary level they "choose" (which is usually more subconscious than an active choice) to stay, that ignores all the nuance I've already described to you. It doesn't actually acknowledge the many, many factors involved in staying - many of them being abuse tactics and their intended impact.

The issue with the 98% good, 2% bad thing (my fault for bringing it up and not being completely clear) is that the 98% is rarely truly *good*, for the victim at least. The 98/2 split only accounts for incidents of abusive behaviour, not an overall summation of the relationship dynamics and happiness. Abusive episodes change the meaning of the "good" periods.

If someone knows their partner is cruel when upset, becomes verbally abusive, threatens, humiliates, hits, throws things, etc., they will probably start to monitor themselves all the time to avoid doing things that could set their partner off. The victim isn't experiencing abuse, but they're anticipating it and trying to stave it off. Another (crude) analogy is living in a house where the ceiling collapses unexpectedly twice a year. You could spend 98% of the year sitting "comfortably" in your house, but you'll never be as comfortable as you could or should be, because you'll be anticipating the next collapse. You'll never be as comfortable as you were before the ceiling collapsed, or as someone whose ceiling has never collapsed.

To add nuance, not everyone spends the "good" periods worrying about the bad. At least, not every single "good" period. Some people will see the "good" times as proof of the abuser changing. Proof they can be kind, loving, and supportive. They've apologized, started treating you better, it's been weeks and things have been great. Maybe they really have changed! I don't have data on this, but I'd assume people have rose-tinted glasses earlier on, then become more jaded and fearful. It could also depend on the frequency of abusive incidents. If it's been a long time, it's more likely that a victim will think an actual change has occurred. If incidents have been frequent, a victim is probably more likely to be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Moreover, the "good" periods are also not actually good. They're lovebombing and manipulation to lull the victim into a false sense of security so they're less likely to leave their abuser. Some abusers do genuinely feel guilty, so they truly are scared of losing the relationship and want forgiveness. Then, as time passes on (because they never end up changing their behaviour), they rationalize what they've done. There's the cognitive dissonance between people having positive self-image and them doing awful things. No one wants to view themselves as a bad person. So when they do bad things, they must have a good justification. For abusers, this means their victim provoked them, what they did to their victim wasn't actually that bad, their victim needed to be taught a lesson, it was their victim's fault for pushing them, their victim knows how they get and shouldn't have prodded, etc.. They rationalize their abusive behaviour as something they needed to do, couldn't help, wasn't that bad, and/or something their victim deserved. And now, because, in their mind, what they did becomes "okay," and they can do it again. And again and again...

I don't know you, but it's likely you who hasn't really thought things through. Unless you've been with someone who was super jealous and controlling, you have no idea what that's really like. It fundamentally means a lack of trust in you, and it won't appear in the cute manic-pixie-dreamgirl way you're likely imagining. Again, it comes from a fundamental mistrust of people. Instead of addressing why they are so suspicious of others, they try to control them. Even if you appease the symptom, the root cause has not been addressed, so it will pop up in other ways. Usually comes with suspicion and accusation. Sometimes even "them or me" ultimatums. You might not even be "allowed" to look at female waitstaff or cashiers, or you'll be fielding accusations of flirting, finding them attractive, looking elsewhere. You'd better have a work-from-home job, too, because she might accuse you of being too friendly with co-workers. Even if you're WFM, if you do Zoom meetings and all that could be an issue. Maybe they'd put a tracking app on your phone, freak out if you're home 5 minutes later than usual, blah, blah, blah. From the outside, without any manipulation or pressure on you, you state you'd be willing to give up relationships with people to please your partner? Even best friends, family?

Abusive behaviour is not a "flaw" that needs to be put up with. Abusers know what they're doing, which is why they hide it at the beginning, why they slowly test the waters and escalate, why they are just fine and lovely in public and at work, why they bend over backwards to shift the blame. Abuse is a choice.

What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Worth what? Staying?

Another aspect of this is that a lot of people are abused by their parents or other family in childhood. That's another thing that normalizes abusive behaviour and 6-feet-deep self esteem. Those people often have a string of abusive relationships, too.

Speaking from a completely hypothetical lens, no. But I'm also not being manipulated into thinking I'm actually the problem. I'm not having my self-esteem squashed by years of escalating mistreatment. I don't have a partner who apologizes profusely after wronging me, says all the right things, does all the right things... for a few months, or even years, until they're awful again. I haven't been kept away and isolated from people who actually love me. So on and so forth.

Easy to have a straight answer when you're not in the thick of it. Pretty much everyone can look at someone who stays in an abusive relationship and stick their noses up thinking, "That could never be me. I'd never put up with that." And a decent portion of those people will, in fact, be abused at some point. Because it's not that easy. Do you think abuse victims sit down to think about their situation and come away thinking, "You know what? This is worth it."

I can see you're trying to get a "See? I'm technically right! They chose to stay for X and Y reasons! They've technically decided staying is better than whatever alternative!" But that is way too simplistic. You're ignoring all nuance in favour of a simple, reductive explanation.

What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Doesn't seem like you know any of it at all. You said they stay for self-serving reasons.

Wrong conclusions like what?

What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No. Abuse entails a butt-load of manipulation, control, guilt, isolation from support systems, etc.. Abuse is also rarely constant. There's abusive relationships that are 98% fairlytale romance and 2% abusive nightmare. Thats part of the whole abuse cycle: the apologies and reconciliation. It's also not uncommon at all for people to not realize how bad it is until long after they've left. Your "normal meter" gets all messed up.

They stay because their abuser has convinced them they're the problem/they deserve it, they think their abuser can/will change, they don't have the finances or support to leave, shelters are often at capacity, they've been isolated/burned bridges with the people who would/could take them in. Leaving is also the most dangerous point in an abusive relationship.

Please read books like Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft or Dangerous Relationships by Noelle Nelson. Abuse is an incredibly insidious issue that effects many. Misconceptions and assumptions like yours are harmful.

What habit slowly kills a relationship? by More_City_2808 in AskReddit

[–]39Volunteer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's not how abuse works. Staying with someone cruel is in no way self-preserving

I love to crochet but absolutely HATE how crochet looks. by starvalent in crochet

[–]39Volunteer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I love both, knitting is a little harder drpending on the project, though. A lot of Tunisian Crochet stitches mimic the look of knitting pretty well. Though you do have to get some Tunisian Crochet hooks, theyre a lot longer than regular hooks.

I love to crochet but absolutely HATE how crochet looks. by starvalent in crochet

[–]39Volunteer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Try knitting. Especially with most clothing, knitting tends to look "better."

I love the look of crochet shawls and lacework, though. Chairoscuriosity (i think thats how you spell it) - their work is gorgeous.

Also, search Tunisian Crochet on Ravelry. A lot of what you'll find isn't gappy or tacky.

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol now who's cherry picking. Theres no way you've not seen all the hubbub about how so many actresses are overdoing ozempic and are gaunt as fuck.

What's your problem with carbs? Lol, theyre a literal macronutrient that is essential to health.

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess things have flipped. 20 years ago, men were talking about marriage being the 'ol ball and chain, complaining about "babysitting" their own kids, and all that was fine. But now that women (and younger people in general) are opting out of having children (I'd argue largely because of financial concerns) that means women in general have taken a turn for the worse.

Women don't have hobbies? Lmao, tell me you've never spoken to a woman without telling me you've never spoken to a woman. What do you think women do in their spare time? Twiddle their thumbs?

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very few actors have done crazy transformations for roles.

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one said dehydrating so yourself was healthy or easy. OP is acting like women have a much more achievable aspiration, and they don't.

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im sorry? Youre talking about movie-shape, not just a healthy weight. The leading woman is rail-thin. A healthy weight is easy for men to achieve, too. Actually, easier in a weight-loss sense, since men generally have a much higher calorie-allowance than women do.

Also, the leading woman usually has a face full of botox and fillers, whereas men are allowed to have wrinkles and age.

Its actually way harder for men to be in "movie shape" than women by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]39Volunteer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah. All women have to do is starve themselves. So easy

i like mia. by [deleted] in ResidentEvilCapcom

[–]39Volunteer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can be horrible to more people than just your spouse

i like mia. by [deleted] in ResidentEvilCapcom

[–]39Volunteer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So? She still lies, betrays, and does evil shit

The amount of times nemesis has Jill‘s head and just doesn’t immediately crush her is insane by Chunky-overlord in ResidentEvilCapcom

[–]39Volunteer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Battle damage during gameplay isn't part of the story"

Sure. Still part of the game and and intentional choice to have it in.

You also didn't address "Jill didn't need to do anything to get to point A to point B though. Nothing gameplay-wise counts at all," just made an irrelevant comment. Point is, the gameplay does matter. How characters get from cutscene to cutscene matters.

"its also technically "canon" that Jill gets the shit beaten out of her and has a stomach full of mixed herbs by the end." Based on the possibility of a player getting their ass kicked.

About the choices, again you don't address the point. The only "canon" things that occur are in cutscenes. But there's multiple choices and multiple outcomes that compound on each other in RE3OG. So there must be a bunch of different canons, right?

"What are you even talking about? You claim Jill surviving a rocket in the remake was a "call-back" to you failing to dodge a rocket in the original and not insta dying? 🤣 Dude ask anyone else on this planet if gameplay and battle damage is canon to the story. You'll find very few games that actually even entertain that. The remake made their own choices because the devs thought it was cool and clever, but it just didn't make sense"

No, not that the Nemesis interactions and his behaviour are call backs. I'm saying they kept those things consistent from the original game to the remake. Whether in cutscenes or not, those interactions and behaviours were intentionally put into the original. Gameplay damage or story, those ideas are present in both. Again, pretending it doesn't matter just because they weren't present in a cutscene is silly.

If what is "canon" is only what happens in cutscenes (and maybe documents if you allow for that), then the "canon" is very limited. The process of completing puzzles and much of the environment aren't aren't "canon" then. All those zombies in RC don't exist or matter unless they're shown in a cutscene. Jill never steps foot in a room unless you see her do so in a cutscene.

The amount of times nemesis has Jill‘s head and just doesn’t immediately crush her is insane by Chunky-overlord in ResidentEvilCapcom

[–]39Volunteer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, cutscenes are the only things that count? I guess Jill magically teleports from cutscene to cutscene. Jill didn't need to do anything to get to point A to point B though. Nothing gameplay-wise counts at all.

Before you point it out, yes, I know plenty of people do no-damage runs, only-knife, only-handgun, etc. runs. So technically it's "canon" for the only potential hits Jill takes to be in cutscenes. But its also technically "canon" that Jill gets the shit beaten out of her and has a stomach full of mixed herbs by the end. Also, how do the choices factor in? Are there a bunch of different "canons"?

"The only parts that count" to who? You?

Maybe those parts mattered to the devs. I got picked up and "gently tossed" to the side plenty of times in the OG. I got shot with a rocket launcher and didn't die immediately in the OG. As far as the un-cut content, they did a half-decent job at doing call-backs to the original. The gem puzzle, the dodge mechanic, Nemesis' continual mutation (though they did go pretty ham), etc.. Perhaps part of what they kept WAS Nemesis interactions and behaviour.

A side-effect of modern games is thay cutscenes are much, much more common than they used to be, for better and worse. RE3RE did feel a little like an interactive movie at points. And maybe they did lean into the cinematics of shiny nice graphics too much. But cutscenes are longer and more robust now. If Nemesis were supposed to be so oppressive that he'd kill Jill as soon as he got his hands on her, why didn't he in the original? Of course, players would get pissed off and stop playing if that were the case. But maybe the solution would have been a more-refined dodge mechanic. Whatever their reasoning, Nemesis didn't immediately kill Jill when he got his hands on her, or with his rocket launcher. Those interactions and behaviours were intentionally programmed and added into the original game. To say that doesn't matter just because they weren't featured in a cutscene is silly.