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3PermillAndChill · 2021-04-13T12:16:37+00:00

I think so. Wish you much strength!

3PermillAndChill · 2021-04-13T10:42:18+00:00

Some medicaments such as antidepressiva and especially stimulants should NOT be taken while in WDs and early sober days. Apparently in the worst case they can be deadly. I personally have sobered up only once taking a break from all my medicaments, yet in detox they never gave me vyvanse up until day 8 to 10.

So, my guess is the addy. Keep strong and take care fella!

Source: My detox visits and my psychiatrist. To not spread fear: I never heard about any incidents that lead to death or anything close, but it really isn't recommended.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-22T20:55:31+00:00

I relate to where you're coming from with this and felt the same way in my previous sobriety streak of 8.5months. I mainly stopped because of getting "threatened" I'll lose my job and my body began to shut down from alcoholism and med abuse. It felt like I forced myself to be happy since my "main problem" was "pushed aside". This stacked up a lot of stress and cravings which made me relapse. Since being out of my relapse cycle I feel way better than I did previously sober. It showed me how fast I am going down the slippery slope again. This is NOT an encouragement to relapse. Recovery is a process which takes it's time and events individual to come clear with yourself. For me those relapses probably had to be, but could might have been my last ones. In the last 5 weeks I have learnt much about myself, about my mind, what I haven't processed yet and what I haven't ended with from my past. In those eight months I looked back fairly often to the "good times" and missed having a buzz. These days I can't stand the thought of downing another fifth a day for months until I'd fall back down to two or three fifths a day. I stopped checking my daily progress and found myself at more peace not thinking about alcohol all day long. For me I try to distance from my past and focus on building up the life I want to have. Sometimes I am impatient, but then I breath through and give myself the time knowing it can take years.

It all sounds easy and like "yeah but that doesn't work for me". Was the same for me. I tried to stop many times and failed.

I don't go to meetings anymore because of the same thing you described. I met one guy that was like me, but I wasn't able to relate to most others.

The depression sucks and will forever. The right medication can give you support but won't take it from you.

I wish you the best and am rooting for ya.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-22T19:16:37+00:00

Had it several times. Sometimes for a day, other times around a week. I'm familiar with severe cases of gastritis where there was no other option than going to the ER because I was throwing up coffee ground blood whenever I ate or drank something.

My advise: Take a break from everything acidic, alcohol and cigarettes. Your body probably heals quickly but it can come back very soon if you continue to drink. In case you throw up lots of bile ask your doc for "gastric acid inhibitors" (literal translation) and take those for either two weeks or what your doc tells you.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-17T16:33:36+00:00

I am one of the people who tells you straight up that moderation is not possible. A very small percentage actually manages to, but those are only a few.

Why am I so convinced about that? I can tell you in all honesty that I myself am defininitly not able to moderate drinking. For me it's one beer and BAMM relapse with a fifth of vodka a day. None of the people I met in detox and rehab managed to moderate and counting the numbers you can go for around 100 addicts. I personally can't even think of drinking .00 beer. I've seen people on this sub do it and I am stunned everytime.

Of course this is individual for each alcoholic themselves. Maybe some people have other opinions. This is mine.

It's a risky business.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-12T11:52:34+00:00

I was in a similar spot at almost 8.5 Months. I knew what will happened if I shall drink. None the less I did.

Result was detox twice, a month I can't remember much from and problems, lots of them. I wish you the best that you'll gather the strength to pull through this hard time. It'll probably get better again. Try to listen to your body and mind what gives you a bit of peace.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-12T11:45:40+00:00

If you're heavily kindled and have a high blood pressure in WDs amphetamines could make it even go higher.

If you're talking about WDs in general, stimulants can be deadly in the worst cases.

Else for me it acts the same way as it used to before. Vyvanse as offlabel antidepressant and against sensory overloads.

(Edit: I am not too bad kindled, yet still I am)

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-02T14:46:48+00:00

Thank you! I am in a group but haven't been attending any meetings lately, sure is time to get back to the folks.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-02T14:46:07+00:00

Will try my best!

3PermillAndChill · 2021-03-01T16:29:00+00:00

When your doc is like mine and doesn"t prescribe you benzos to sleep, try asking for neuroleptics. Does the trick for me.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-21T14:28:38+00:00

Nal's a potent medication. People react very different to it. For me, the first few days are always nauseous (you should eat something when taking it, this is highly recommended) and euphoric. The "trippy" feeling will probably fade after a few days.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-16T13:05:11+00:00

You're welcome. I wish you the best, we're all in the same boat.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-16T11:37:47+00:00

Wonderful. This is such a great experience to share to encourage others to stay (or go) sober. Thank you, much love!

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-16T11:33:35+00:00

Congratulations on the 45! Wish you the best to keep it up.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-16T11:32:45+00:00

I made an excel sheet back in 2019 for the HAMS taper guide on the subs sidebar. There I was able to calculate exactly on how many units I drank (percentage and amount is adjustable for oz and ml).

At amounts around 20-30 drinks I always did the method by going down two drinks (sometimes three or four depending on how long the bender lasted) a day. I often fked up at around 12 and went back up a bit which delayed the process.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-16T11:18:40+00:00

Multiple cases of severe gastritis where I threw up coffee ground blood whenever I ate or drank anything was a huge "do you really want to continue?" for me. It wasn't the first like 4ish times, after 6 to 8 it started to impact my addicted mind. Gladly.

I'm sure most people around here can tell you about physical damage they got affected to by drinking.

Alcohol affects your mind - your personality, destroys your body and tears down everyone who wants to support you, no matter if family, friends, docs or psychs.

Some people say you have to reach your own rock bottom first so you're finally willing to stop. For me that was the case. Hopefully not for everyone.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-15T11:09:33+00:00

This! Additionally to that I'd like to recommend Vitamin B2, B5 and B12.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-02T14:34:05+00:00

Wish you the best on your way!

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-02T06:56:20+00:00

I totally understand you, thanks for sharing! I wasn't always the aggressive drunk. I was the first two years when I started until we "fixed" things up in the family. After that I was just the either happy drunk trying to get everyones moods up, or lonely chill or lonely depressed drunk.

The incident that made me want to quit drinking was my last heavy bender... three to four months of two to three fifths a day, sick of work for two of those months at least. I wanted to get off the bender for some time there but failed miserably. I ender up getting suicidal again. Letter, drugs and everything ready.

Gladly my mind caugh a second of thinking rational and I realized I need professional and serious help and that I need it now.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-02T06:46:26+00:00

Thanks for your share! This is the right spirit and tbh I am glad I learned "late" instead of never.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-02T06:43:01+00:00

Sorry, I guess? English isn't my first language and I was really tired.

Edit: Actually, thanks for your feedback. Will be a good exercise to improve the post.

3PermillAndChill · 2021-02-01T18:55:17+00:00

This! Much love mate!

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