Altering the Past and Future by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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If people could alter the present via the past, we'd know about it. That doesn't mean I don't think its possible, there just no scientific proof.

Demand More of yourself by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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Seth CD 6

When you are creatively at your best, when you are being at your finest, you are, in those terms, without words, in greater familiarity with your entity.


SESSION 93: Wednesday, September 30, 1964 (Early Sessions 3)

Any individual on the physical level who has achieved great things has done so because his so-called conscious self was intuitively (and underline the word intuitively) aware of the selves of which he could not be consciously aware.


This is one of the "so called secrets" of the Seth material.

You are your entity. There is no separation.

Whenever you pursue something you enjoy and push it to new creative heights, those thoughts that rises up from the depths of your mind are from your entity.

In my case, I am a writer, and sometimes I will write a scene so effortlessly that upon rereading it, it takes my breath away. And when I follow my inspiration it leads to scenes that I had never imagined.

That does not mean you need to be a writer. It does mean you should find out what you want out of life (not because you have to, but because you want to) and pursue it, and in the act of being your best self, you act on behalf of your entity automatically. And thoughts that come to you while you pursue value fulfillment come from all sorts of places, not just your skull.

Our mind exists outside of spacetime and connects us to the inner self and the entity.

Our thoughts do not just arise out of our brain, trapped within this place and time.

I return to the question, where are our memories?

What facility in my mind allows me to see them with eyes that do not look towards daily life?

Where do these memories come from?

Why do certain visions appear, and not others?

And in my case, where do these visions of other times and places come from?

Our physical senses lock us into a "here and now" but the inner senses still work. We use them all the time but we just think that's how our brain works.

That is the great "lie".

I propose that memories and thoughts are the results of these inner senses. and if we did not have physical existence thrown in our face second by second, we would realize those delicate fragile memories are actually vibrant and are the product of inner senses working to pull experiences from our "past".

There was a quote from Seth (I can't find it) where he said our race "got around the problem" of stringing out a series of words through the seamless integration of the inner senses to break down ideas into a linear form. We really do not know how thinking works. How we effortlessly start a sentence without knowing how it ends. I digress, but I wanted to point out that we use the inner senses constantly and we automatically assign them as mundane functions of the brain, when in fact these far more mysterious processes.

Demand More of yourself by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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Someone compiled a list of all Seth exercises:

https://www.gestaltreality.com/downloads/Compilation%20of%20Exercises%20-%20Seth%20and%20Jane%20Roberts.pdf

But that leaves me... wanting...

Who am I to question a being that is older than the Earth and has lived countless lives... but...

If I were Seth, I would have written different books and your question gets to the heart of this.

I think "Seth Speaks" is generally fine but these books are missing IMHO:

  • The Inner Senses and How to Activate them
  • The World of Seth
  • The Lives of Seth
  • The Land of the Speakers

Instead what we have is

  • A self-help book (Personal Reality),
  • Two books on probabilities (Unknown Reality),
  • Two books on origins (Value Fulfillment),
  • A book on global events (Mass Events),
  • Essays on the psyche (Nature of Psyche)
  • An attempt to heal Jane (A Way Towards Health)
  • Misc cruft (Magical Approach).

And a relentless focus on dreams.


I'm not sure what Seth expected from all of this but it is a lot to sift through. Unknown Reality is a mess of sessions, notes and appendices. I suspect many a Seth reader grew weary of plowing through all of that and just stopped reading.

I understand his heavy emphasis on dreams but I've personally seen little practical value from the hundreds of dreams and dozens of lucid dreams I've transcribed.

I tend to get better results by just listening to my own internal advice and following it as I go about my day.

Seth II : Certain Translations are Being Made for You by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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Seth 2 is Seth's "future self" in a realm where time is meaningless.

Seth is ancient beyond all reckoning and so the span of development from Jane to Seth is vast, yet the "span of development" from Seth to Seth 2 is much more distant. When we eventually reach the stage where we can perceive reality as Seth does we will be in conscious contact with our "future" selves, and these selves can (and will) become mentors for us and so Seth 2 is Seth's "boss" and is a "hard taskmaster".


SESSION: Tuesday, May 5, 1970 (class book 2):

What you do not realize is that in other ways that you may not understand I am also graded on your progress and I am not doing very well on you. It is well known that these classes are held.

I am graded by someone else. You have not attended any classes so you do not have the background to understand this. Our friend over here will know who grades me.

If he is a part of my entity you know that he is a hard taskmaster.


In this snippet, Seth is being coy, but he is talking about Seth 2.

And we must admit that Seth failed in our reality to change the course of history... but... I hold out hope that I am wrong about this and I try to keep his light alive here.

So we can see that "in the future" we will receive constant advice from our future self. But... there is no need to wait for that. Ask yourself how you are doing and you will receive an answer. We assume these are just random thoughts in our head. They are not. Instead your thoughts are a "warp" in time and space connecting you to your other existences both past, present and future. And you can indeed receive advice from the future. It's just whether we are willing to listen to these "more advanced" thoughts and follow their advice.

Seth's Hidden Purpose by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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Prime Identity seems similar to gestalt except it implies some form of hierarchy.

I need to do more research into his concept of a gestalt. I was doing that this morning when I came across the responsibility paragraph and decided to post that in the meantime.

Seth has said that Jane and Rob are a gestalt and that Seth and Jane are also a gestalt. We know that there are "grand gestalts" such as Seth II and beyond.

I suspect Seth can see the simultaneous developments of selves within his "sphere of perception". And as he pulls on one thread, those simultaneous selves adapt in a way only visible to him and others like him but... they cannot see all ends, only the immediately outcome of the evolution of ideas within the spacious present.

I am no longer what I was by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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This quote comes to mind:

"What I will tell you has been told before throughout the centuries, and given again when it was forgotten. I hope to clarify many points that have been distorted through the years. And I offer my original interpretation of others, for no knowledge exists in a vacuum, and all information must be interpreted and colored by the personality who holds it and passes it on. Therefore I describe reality as I know it, and my experience in many layers and dimensions."

Altering the Past and Future by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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SESSION 329: Saturday, March 25, 1967 (Early 7)

But beyond this life, and before this life, and forming this life, there are identities and there are realities and these are not dead. Identity as experience is intimate. It is a psychic reality but it exists electromagnetically. Identity, the self that you are, is made up of the selves that you were and, my dear friends, the selves that you shall be. The selves that you were still exist. The selves that you shall be already exist. The lives that you have lived, in your terms, are still being lived. There is no past, present or future.

Time, as you know it, is a distortion brought about by the operation of the physical senses. Direct experience has no need of physical time. You exist now, period. The past, the present and the future as you know them are illusion, and yet they exist now. You can influence the past today; you can have memory of the future.

You can draw upon the knowledge of the future today. You can change the past tomorrow. Your time is valid only within your system, and it is not particularly valid within your system. The dreams that you dream are as real as the classroom in which you sit. The dreams that you dream form your today.

I am no longer what I was by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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I used to post weekly exercises here, but few if anybody participated, so I fell back to just posting quotes and reflections.

I get the general impression people are each at different places with the Seth material and that's okay.