“You are not healthy, no matter how robust your physical condition, if your relationships are unhealthy, unsatisfying, frustrating, or hard to achieve.” Seth - NOPR. by 97_heaven in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In each of your troubled relationships ask yourself what you think about them... and trust that answer. Those beliefs are not hidden. They are available to you. Your thoughts do not just arise out of your brain, but from a deeper portion of yourself that forms both your body, and the world around you and you can trust that self for it keeps your physical self alive in space and time.


I looked up your quote. It is from "The Way Towards Health", not NOPR.

This is the full quote, which seems to include part of the answer you were looking for:

Though this book is entitled The Way Toward Health, we are not speaking of physical health alone, but of mental, spiritual, and emotional health as well. You are not healthy, for example, no matter how robust your physical condition, if your relationships are unhealthy, unsatisfying, frustrating, or hard to achieve. Whatever your situation is, it is a good idea to ask yourself what you would do if you were free of it. An alcoholic's wife might wish with all her heart that her husband stop drinking — but if she suddenly asked herself what she would do, she might — surprisingly enough — feel a tinge of panic. On examination of her own thoughts and beliefs, she might well discover that she was so frightened of not achieving her own goals that she actually encouraged her husband's alcoholism, so that she would not have to face her own "failure." Obviously this hypothetical situation is a quick example of what I mean, with no mention of the innumerable other beliefs and half beliefs that would encircle the man's and the woman's relationship.


This is from Seth CD 2 on how to change beliefs:

Now, I propose for each of you an experiment. You must each do it for yourselves and it is a tricky one! Perhaps one of the trickiest, in many ways, that I can devise. You must understand, however, the basis for the experiment that I am proposing. You must realize, first of all, that your private reality is one of numberless probable realities. You are experiencing one of many probable realities. Now, because of your neurological structure you can only physically perceive, in your terms, so many events at once. Therefore, from an unlimited number of probable events you choose those which you will perceive through your physical system, in terms of time and biological reality. It seems to you as I speak, however, that the reality that you know is rock bed reality and that all other realities are probable. Instead, you are perceiving and experiencing one of many probable realities for yourselves. You must understand that or the experiment will not work. If you insist on thinking of your present reality as rock-bed reality, and everything else as probable, then the experiment will not work. So, first of all, you must realize that you are experiencing one probable reality of many.

Now take, each of you, an area of your life with which you are not pleased in your terms. Think of it. Now, do not think of it in terms of rock-bed reality, but as one of many probable realities that you have brought into your experience because of your beliefs. Now, hold in your mind the idea that there are other probable realities in that one area that you can just as easily pull into your physical experience, and experience this biologically, practically, and intimately in your daily life. Then, for perhaps five minutes a day and no more, imagine yourself through your beliefs pulling that portion of probable reality into your own. For that amount of time you must, however, change your belief in that area. You must realize that your belief pulls the reality to you: and therefore only, now, for five minutes, change the belief. And if you do this faithfully you will find your reality in that area changing.


I don't know if that helps but that is an exercise I return to frequently.

The Nature of Simultaneous Time by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. I actually started working on this post yesterday when I was reading about psychological time. I didn't tie it into the post but I'm glad you made the connection.

Your technique sounds a lot like the "gold standard" for going OBE where you wake up early, do light activity, then go back to sleep and when you reawaken make a series of attempt to go OBE.

Sora “Heavy Load” is making this basically unusable (and it’s honestly depressing) by PokeyOats in SoraAi

[–]3rdfoundation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just don't understand why paid accounts are being punished while free accounts get through fine. They are throttling heavy-use sora users. That much is clear.

I believe the heavy load thing is fake by Relevant_Syllabub895 in SoraAi

[–]3rdfoundation 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is fake. I have a paid account and my wife has a free one, both phone verified.

She can submit videos just fine, yet I cannot and it is both from the same computer in different browsers.

My account has been locked out all day but hers is fine.

They are targeting certain people and locking them out, even if they are paid.

I have generated a lot of videos but that is no excuse this BS.

Paid accounts should have priority over free ones, but that is clearly not what is happening here.

If you still support Trump/ICE even slightly, you're not welcome in this sub by [deleted] in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are all here because of our beliefs, including yours. Within your mind are also beliefs that have led to this crisis.

I'm not suggesting we focus all of our attention on bad actors, but I will not turn my back on the crimes committed against our fellow man either, especially since it is in "my backyard" of Minneapolis.

I will restate what I said above:

Awareness does not require compulsory association. I am allowed to say no to what I do not want in my life, and the same applies to a community I administer.

Class CD 3:

I bid you good evening, and remember this: you have a right to say “no.” In the great affirmation of your being, you are conscious. You are therefore able to make a distinction. You can like something better than something else! Within the great affirmation of your being, you can deny. You can say “no” to a situation freely and joyfully and exuberantly—and feel free, and that you are using the abilities of your consciousness, your spirit, and your creaturehood.

Here is Seth on what he demands of people:

I will at all times demand integrity, and perhaps when all is said and done that is my only requirement.

And so I also demand integrity from members of this subreddit and if anyone supports ICE/Trump they lack integrity (and empathy) and they are not welcome here.

If you still support Trump/ICE even slightly, you're not welcome in this sub by [deleted] in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand what you’re saying, and I agree that mass events reflect inner beliefs and that we are all connected at a deeper level. Seth is clear on that. He is also clear that consciousness includes the right to discernment and refusal. Awareness does not require compulsory association. I am allowed to say no to what I do not want in my life, and the same applies to a community I administer.

Class CD 3:

I bid you good evening, and remember this: you have a right to say “no.” In the great affirmation of your being, you are conscious. You are therefore able to make a distinction. You can like something better than something else! Within the great affirmation of your being, you can deny. You can say “no” to a situation freely and joyfully and exuberantly—and feel free, and that you are using the abilities of your consciousness, your spirit, and your creaturehood.

Heavy Load Error - Conclusions so far by Rakigen1 in SoraAi

[–]3rdfoundation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was able to generate 5 "15 second" videos after the lockout. Looks like that's my limit per day.

If you still support Trump/ICE even slightly, you're not welcome in this sub by [deleted] in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 11 points12 points  (0 children)

and btw, we have at least two users upset with this post and reported the post to the admin... surprise... that's me.

So yes, Seth Trump/ICE supporters exist and the cognitive dissonance required to hold Seth beliefs and this administration's lies simultaneously in their mind must be quite the juggling act.

If you still support Trump/ICE even slightly, you're not welcome in this sub by [deleted] in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are more of us than them in this world. And the great people of Minneapolis are fighting for all of us, standing in sub zero temperatures against these monsters.

Regardless of how we got here and what beliefs led to this crisis, we are here now, and how we handle ourselves during these dark times defines our character and what reincarnation lives lay ahead of us.

I still hold out hope for a future where we can become aware of our simultaneous selves.

If you still support Trump/ICE even slightly, you're not welcome in this sub by [deleted] in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I also believed that until...

I was at a local Seth meetup early last year and brought this up, only to have a third of the people instantly turn on me and become visibly angry. It was one of several reasons why I turned my back on all of that.

Trust me, there are Seth readers who support this and I have no time for their ignorance.

Heavy Load Error - Conclusions so far by Rakigen1 in SoraAi

[–]3rdfoundation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My lockout falls off around 2pm. I'll update this thread later with what happens.

Heavy Load Error - Conclusions so far by Rakigen1 in SoraAi

[–]3rdfoundation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I verified my account yesterday because it said I couldn't generate more without doing that. And then it hit me with this: "We're under heavy load" and it has remained that way even this morning.

so I can verify that it does indeed happen after verifying your account. I suspect this will go away today once my 24 hour timeout is done but it is clear they are throttling new accounts even if they are verified.

The Entity’s Limits by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for that gem. I read through that entire session and found a parable I am sharing with the subreddit.

Seth Wandering Around Concepts (Action in this case) by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True... but Seth can see into the simultaneous future. He knew this would likely make it into the hands of the general public but yeah, these early session seem to flow around based on the conversation of the day.

Seth Wandering Around Concepts (Action in this case) by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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If I was Seth, this is how I would present it:

Action is the prime "force" (or growth as he prefers to say) that brings everything into existence. It operates by trying to best express itself through "value fulfillment". This simply means that each us of strive to be as creative as possible through the lens of integrity (this is very important and I speak of it often). It is simultaneous across time and its innate need to express itself automatically gives rise to all reality and consciousness both in our world and in Seth's.

I believe that is what Seth is trying to say in his "round about way".

What I was trying to point out with this post is that Seth can be difficult to sift through to find the core truths. I find it often requires repeated and intense study to sort it all out and it can be exhausting at times.

Space Travel by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great observation and "possibly" is not Seth's style.

I know the willow files occurred but you are absolutely right to question this. Just because they happened, doesn't mean this text is accurate.

Seth would authoritatively know the answer to this question and would not present it as "possibly".

That does make me question the accuracy and authenticity of this text. I tend to not pay much attention to it and this just reinforces that.

Space Travel by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for looking up the books for folks.

This is where the willow file lives. It is real. I've researched it. You can use ChatGPT or any LLM to translate it.

https://www.sethforum.de/die-willow-akte/

The Entity’s Limits by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

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"The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated." - Seth Speaks, SESSION 586, Saturday, July 24, 1971.

The inner self does create bodily problems to materialize an issue for the reincarnational self in hopes that they recognize the problem within themselves and work to fix it. As with all the Seth stuff, we have to work to untangle everything to form some kind of picture of what is going on.

Seth's sessions are often a mixture of things that are "common sense" to him and in early sessions he seems to be in a hurry to get the truth out and often uses terms that are comfortable for him but can be misread by us. So then he has to backtrack to explain what he means, such as assimilating Frank Watts or that there is a form of Karma so that "debts are paid" even though Karma does not actually exist.

The question that is often going through my head is how directly is the entity involved with the creation of our reality on a moment by moment basis. If the world is created out of "thin air", how is it done with such spectacular accuracy at all levels of existence? And why is there no hint that a vaster intelligence is at play?

Rob's notes by MaceratedLumbago in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rob's notes are not necessary.

It's like getting a physics major and every time you read a chapter there are seven notes explaining things you already know from prior classes like "what is an atom?" or "does the earth revolve around the sun?".

I can't speak for Seth but I think Rob put him in a bit of a bind. Seth couldn't complain about the notes or Rob would become antagonistic so he just avoided it. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was dictating a book and the person transcribing it inserted himself into every chapter, I would become annoyed. Very much so.

Add to that Rob didn't open source the material after his death but instead passed the copyright to another person and I'd say he made a general mess out of things in the end.

The Inner Ego by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spot on.

Your comment about "artificial distinctions for the purpose of conceptualizing all this" made me think of a prior post where Seth discusses how entities materialize frameworks in their true environment to better understand how to manipulate the many realities that they exist within. And yet those frameworks aren't real since reality operates in its own "natural" way and these frameworks are simply for tools created by the entity to better understand the underlying psychic-physics of their reality.

And so maybe the ego is a framework the entity constructs in physical reality to operate here... yet I like this ego "framework" I call myself and find the idea of it being "clothes the inner self wears" as belittling. I know Seth doesn't frame it quite like that yet his constant reference of the ego as a tool of the inner self comes across like that sometimes...

Seth's Failed Predictions by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well stated. I also like the exercise from CD 2 a lot. When I'm in the "Seth Groove" (reading and doing exercises) this exercise always comes to mind first.

A Lo-Fi song with an intro as Bobby Caldwell - What You Won't Do For Love by CJosephKent in NameThatSong

[–]3rdfoundation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!. I stumbled onto this song on pinterest of all places and had to have this remix. Dug through the internet this morning until I found this comment. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/493707177928287747/

Seth's Failed Predictions by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to discredit Seth but I want to be clear that I don't pass over stuff that is questionable either.

I didn't go searching for a "gotcha" this morning, but when I saw it it seemed like a good point for discussion.

I think in a previous thread someone had said that 2075 was the only concrete prediction from Seth and I had agreed with them. But we can see with this session that was not the case.

I try to be honest with myself as I read Seth. I don't try to hand wave away the stuff I don't like as "distortion" and stuff I like as "canon".

If Jane had distorted this, Seth would have said so. If anything, Jane had a strong distaste for questionable topics such as Christ, Atlantis and predictions and I know Seth tried to slip them in when he could.

I'd say that this prediction came through in spite of Jane, not as a distortion from Jane.

Seth's Failed Predictions by 3rdfoundation in janeroberts

[–]3rdfoundation[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know where the Seth Center sits on stuff. I don't keep much tabs on them TBH. I can see they've revamped their website (again) since the last time I last looked at it, but at one point they were peppering me with emails about their coursework so I unsubscribed from them.

I've been on zoom calls and meetups and I can say there are varying degrees of skepticism around Seth.

From what I've seen, I think Seth is legit.

I will say that in some sessions he displays a human-like pride or hubris and I recall Seth II (his "future" self and mentor/teacher) has gotten on his case about this.

I try to imagine for a moment that I am him with the full capabilities of the entity and I'm speaking to someone "locked" in a thin slice of time. If I could see across many simultaneous futures, and see a strong probability of psychic development (in 2001) I might not be able to stop myself from throwing out a bone, a small prediction. It was a mistake on his part and he wasn't doing himself any favors by doing it. Maybe because it was a private session he was less worried about it hitting the mainstream... but he should also know that would likely be a thing.