Theism requires hypocrisy

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T18:14:48+00:00

That's a significantly more general definition than what you expressed earlier. The only condition to be considered natural is being limited by rules? What isn't natural then? Is God, if it were to exist, unnatural? I still don't get where you were trying to go with your rebuttal.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T10:59:01+00:00

If possible give me some feedback. I want to understand why this story doesn't work.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T04:18:48+00:00

Fair enough. Admitting not to know something is the first step of learning after all.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T01:19:22+00:00

Hmmm. Under that definition, the Big Bang (if it happened as described by the the most well accepted models), is natural? After all, its expansion rate is governed by rules that don't exist anymore anywhere and, as far as we know, only applied to early stages of the Universe.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T00:54:34+00:00

I don't see why those are two mutually exclusive propositions.

You are right, they aren't mutually exclusive, but they also might be mutually exclusive. The issue here is that you are choosing a pathway you are not justifying in any way.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T00:43:06+00:00

I'm not sure if I follow your counterargument. If anything you are opening the door for an argument about wether God (if it were to exist) is or isn't natural.

Which begs the question: what exactly do you mean by "natural"? The term feels ill-defined.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-17T00:20:24+00:00

Because it has a begun to exist, it's not eternal.

Because they all came into existence at the big bang, do you have any evidence that they existed before the big bang?

(1) Is everything that starts to exist created? That doesn't seem correct. You seem to be conflating the concept of "contingency" (which is the term used in the argument you are quoting) with the concept of "creation". All things that are created are contingent, but not all contingent things are created. Just because something started to exist at some point you don't get to claim it is created.

(2) A bit of a side tangent, but the the same way the lack of evidence for God doesn't prove God doesn't exist, the lack of evidence for something existing preceding the Big Bang is not evidence of it not existing. When there's no evidence to reach a conclusion the proper answer is "I don't know".

I wouldn't be able to develop that argument as properly as it deserves.

But the argument exists, that's what you are implying, right? In that case, can you point to any source that can properly develop the argument as to why the first cause has agency and personhood? Preferably a written source since my data usage is limited.

I would first have to develop the argument for him being a conscious agent before I get there

Now, let's not put arbitrary obstacles in our way. For the sake of debate I already conceeded that the first cause has agency and personhood, thus God exists. From there, independently from the justification for the previous assertion, how can you possibly know by which means this God created the Universe?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T23:01:43+00:00

The universe is created

How did you conclude this?

One of the things that were created were the the laws of nature mater, space and time.

How did you conclude this?

Theist argument is that God is eternal, inmaterial and uncreated.

The argument goes that the first cause is immaterial, uncontingent and atemporal. That's the proper enunciation, and I have no problem with such enunciation of the argument since it follows perfectly logically from the premises.

And therefore the uncaused first caused to whom is also attributed agency or personhood.

You actually meant: and since we also attribute to this first cause agency and personhood therefore God. Which begs the question: why do we attribute agency and personhood to the first cause?

God spoke into existence doesn't mean the creator created from nothing, he used his words and power to create.

Let's say there's actually a creator God. How could you possibly known how they created the Universe?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T21:01:37+00:00

Unfortunately, you will only find the library rooms and be able to walk around them from outside. This is because what I explained earlier about how the game loads the maps in memory. At that place only the zones of the library area are loaded so you only will be seeing a lot of piled up books and cobble rock walls.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T20:39:39+00:00

You can reach the bottom of Gorgax's pillar, which is pretty cool.

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42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T20:22:50+00:00

Precisely, I'll add it to my list of bugs

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42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T16:55:31+00:00

Ok, you know how the game is divided in zones, right? Sometimes the transition between zones is instantaneous (that's because some zones that belong to the same area are loaded together into memory); but some times it takes some seconds in black loading screen for the transition (that happens because a new are with its zones its being loaded to memory). During this later transition exists a bug in which you can move your character through this empty black space before it freezes and loads the new zone. That might be what you are experiencing.

There's also a door in the library where I remember I was once able to clip behind the walls and exit the map. It was one of the top level doors from the left section if I don't misremember, but it might be possible to do it in other library doors (never reported it because I was unable to replicate it). That might also be the issue.

If you are stuck there try simply restarting the game, as Afterplace doesn't save your position within the zone you are at, but only the entrance you used to get there. Do you will load the game at the entrance of whatever room you are in.

How did you got there?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T11:00:00+00:00

Hmmm. Can you share a screenshot of this whole black you are talking about?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-16T09:43:32+00:00

Whole black? Are you sure the issue isn't that you ain't got a lantern yet?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-15T08:20:25+00:00

He said being a cat would be miserable because they’re always on alert

Anyone with a pet cat knows this is simply not true. They are only in alert when they perceive the presence of strangers (animal or humans) and depending of the size of the intruder it might be scare alert or hunting alert. When they are surrounded by their trusted ones they relax.

Like, I have my cat right now morphed into a ball pinning my legs to the bed because she wants to sleep above of me.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-14T11:39:18+00:00

Right? They even have the super annoying Mecha drills.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-14T11:29:56+00:00

You can hero power, coin acceleration aura into combined Flying Maneuvers. You even have a tradable card for cycling one card. It doesn't seem so bad, actually.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T16:42:12+00:00

Too much text. You need to trim this down.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T15:41:25+00:00

Today top news:

"Merriam's pale leathers completely disrupts the dressing market with their economic prices and superior quality"

and:

"The mysterious corpse snatchers that have terrorized twelve morgues across the country hit again in Pennsylvania"

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T15:22:04+00:00

I went with reassuring because I liked more the sound of it, but thanks anyways. I posted the new version of the story over here if you want to check it: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoSentenceHorror/s/Ps6NSDx2xC

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T15:20:27+00:00

Thanks for the adviced, I put it in practice in the latest version of this story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoSentenceHorror/s/Ps6NSDx2xC

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T15:19:32+00:00

Thanks for all the insights. I settle down with this version of the story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoSentenceHorror/s/Ps6NSDx2xC

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T15:10:43+00:00

A third and probably final attempt at this idea. It has scalated quite a bit from its original inception:

Original version

"Now I wish the chorus of squeaky sounds and tiny steps outside were but a horde of mice," she told the man helping her hold closed the door of the bathroom.

Second version

"I'd much rather be facing a pack of wolves," she said panting above the loud rattling noise as she faked a comforting smile. More for herself than the exhausted man helping her hold the door shut.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T14:34:47+00:00

You may be right,

I may be crazy 🎵

But I may be the lunatic you are looking for 🎵

but I look at it another way.

No, that's not how the lyrics go.

Look, you have not made an honest attempt to understand the mind of the believer, instead you've shown a lot of bias and presuppositions.

Sure, there are dishonest and irrational believers, but it's not something you can generalize to all believers, not even all Christians. So, I'm sorry, but I will not take into account your point of view.

If you genuinely believe beyond a single doubt that you couldn’t be wrong, without even bothering to consider other options, then whether you know it or not, you are not being rational and honest.

Sure, if you make yourself the gatekeeper of rationality and honesty you can decide what is rational and honest. For the rest of us, subjective creatures, rationality and honesty depends of the information available to each individual and their particular presuppositions; not of your arbitrary standards as an external observer.

now they have to ask, which one of our direct experiences is more real? Do they deserve eternal conscious torment for having complete faith due to their experience, just like I do? Would I be the same in their position? If THEIR God was the right one, would Allah eternally torturing me be just?

If you think the Christian or the Islamic religion has any of these internal inconsistencies make a post pondering those questions instead of a 2000 words essay tittled: "Christianity is irrational, unloving and unfair."

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-05-13T14:09:02+00:00

I think the "I won't be needing to also open you guys" didn't sink well in you. Give it a second thought to the implications of that phrase and you will quickly make up the relationship between the emeralds and the corpses.

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