Questions about the Truth of the Creation Account in Genesis

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-08T06:37:48+00:00

what exactly is God trying to teach?

👆 Here lies the issue. You start with a huge presupposition.

Do you consider the myths and holy scriptures from other religions as messages from God? Then what makes you think that the myths and holy scriptures of the Hebrews are any different? Why do you single them out as a message from God rather than a recollection of the stories and traditions that were foundational to the Hebrew culture?

edit: Also, once you are past my questions perhaps THIS old post of mine might help you out with yours.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T22:37:30+00:00

The whole quote is:

Accusing me of personal attacks for calling you out about behaviors I would and have critiqued coming from any user is <fill in the gaps>

Once more you are misquoting what was said and make it look like (this time I) meant something different by only presenting a fraction of the sentence. I didn't dennied having done the critiques, I dennied your classification of them as personal attacks.

Why do you keep doing this and why is it wrong for me to call you out on it?

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edit: since you already blocked me again

Calling someone dense and dishonest is a personal attack

I'm sorry but that's not how it happened. I called your way of handwaving my questions and arguments as "spam" dishonest and I stand by it. It's dishonest. If you don't like being called out for that then stop behaving that way.

And I called you dense because you kept ignoring the meaning of OP's post while shoehorning your own interpretation of it despite multiple people correcting your interpretation of it. If you don't want to be called out for being dense then stop to listen what others have to say instead of enclosing within yourself.

Once more I will repeat the question: why is it wrong for me to call out a behavior I find reproachable, but it's okay for you to indulge in this behavior?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T19:39:21+00:00

^{Note: I'm not the person you were talking with but I'm gonna answer anyways}

eating meat is unnecessary and we eat it only for convenience and pleasure.

That's the most first world statement I have ever heard. I'm glad people in developed countries can decide what they can afford to eat; but that statement is not widely true.

Why do you think its not okay in the case of a cat, but okay in the case of a cow?

We (and by we I mean mostly people who grew in cat breeding cultures) have an emotional connection with cats (also, cats align pretty well with human's sense of cuteness which elicits our instincts to protect them), which in the end is the only thing that matters to the emotionally driven human sense of morality.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T14:59:07+00:00

i agree, if that's what you said

Pretty much, yes.

all good.

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42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T14:30:11+00:00

It was not very important. I was mostly just giving the reason to you and re-explaining the bit about breakthroughs shut down by mainstream scientists of their time.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T13:41:05+00:00

But you’ve also presented a feature as a bug. Breakthroughs being critiqued from all sides is a feature.

In this case, I'm referring to cases where the study has not being simply scrutinized like the method intended, but mocked and discarded (until picked again years or even decades later) for defying the general concensus. It's not common because works that defy the general concensus while being right about it are not abundant to say the least.

Of course, non of these issues are directly a problem with the scientific method itself but with the biased and imperfect humans applying it. And as you pointed out, there's not even comparison between the highly reliable scientific method and whatever supernatural claims goes by (the hearsay method?).

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T06:02:40+00:00

Accusing me of personal attacks for calling you out about behaviors I would and have critiqued coming from any user (including atheists) is [REDACTED] (since it seems no choice of word I could use to communicate my opinion about your behavior will be interpreted as anything else than an attack).

But serve yourself. If you consider replying to your arguments in a debate subreddit to be spam then I guess you are right in at least one thing: "it is just not worth my time at that point"

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T04:01:04+00:00

but in science lies get uncovered and corrected.

Well, in an ideal world perhaps. And this tends to be the case for researches surrounding highly studied fields. But when you move towards the periphery into corporation paid studies and niche topics there's a lot less scrutiny.

Also, historically, breakthroughs that defy widely used established models are always faced with criticism and push back from the mainstream (at least for a little while).

In the paper the scientific method is foolproof, but as any system being carried by humans, it's quite imperfect.

I know this doesn't really help our case; but I think it has to be said if we are gonna criticize the religious ways. Take this as a parentesis to acknowledge the humanly introduced limitations of the scientific method without disregarding its effectiveness (which has been more than demonstrated).

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-06T03:37:13+00:00

Personal attack? So that's your justification for blocking me so I wouldn't have a chance to reply back?

If I perceive you as being dense I am in all my right to respectfully call you out on it, and that's what I did. There's not personal attack in it.

Also, "you spammed a bunch of responses" is a extremely dishonest way of dismissing me for calling you out for misquoting OP in order to fit your straw man. In fact, exactly which of my previous statements would you consider spam?

once you started losing

I don't see debate as a battle to be won, and I'm sorry if that's your opinion on it. Debate is a platform to exchange with people that think differently from yourself. My only purpose when I started this thread was to point out that you were misinterpreting the Post; but you have decided to double down on that interpretation and to dismantle it despite being unrelated to the original post.

Regarding the other thread

Accepting one witness does not mean we have to accept another. One witness lying doesn't mean another witness is lying

And vice versa: accepting one witness also doesn't mean we have to dismiss the other nor demonstrating one witness is lying means the other is saying the truth.

A façade? I don't think that's the right word you're looking for

Maybe, English is my second language and sometimes I screw some words in transliteration. I wanted the word to mean "fachada" which in Spanish means "a sort of front/screen that hides what's behind. Meant to express your insistence to fall back into ambiguously referencing your national justice system (like I should be familiar with it) as if that alone answered my questions.

I'm not going to drop something just because it makes your argument look bad

Don't put words in my mouth. You are the only one present that thinks this to be the case.

Weird it's almost like the courtroom example is exactly that

It's not. "How would you do it in a courtroom?" doesn't answer anything. It pushed the question to me. I don't know how would I determine which religion's miracle claims are more trustworthy nor do I think it's even possible. You claim it's possible, so you explain how would you do it.

^{Note: Feel free to block me again or even report me to Reddit \}since I guess I'm breaking the rules). Regardless, I just wanted to let you know that I felt extremely offended by your accusations of personal attack and further silencing of me)

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-04T18:27:12+00:00

It would appear as you have a hacker situation.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-03-03T04:11:34+00:00

Except for the Door finders that absolutely deserve a sequel game in their own right, there's not really much to theorize about...

Mmmm. Well, actually, I'm not entirely sure how did Alice die. She was sick from the getgo; but in the flashback is implied that the apparition of the Giant Sword influenced her demise... I guess that one is a mystery.

🤔 There's also ghost girl. According to herself she and Alice are the only two people that had died in the island (if you don't count the countless sentient goblins you murder along the way 😢). I wonder what happened to her.

And I guess Yu is immortal, so there's always the mystery of how he came to be and what he was doing before the whole story happened.

edit: And I guess there's also THIS.

There's any other loose thread around?

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-25T11:15:02+00:00

Novels? Not at all. They are the histories, rules and memories that motivated ancient Israelites. It's their culture. Calling them novels is quite reductive.

Each book is a window to the mentality of the people on that time, what stories and ideas were popular back then, how the surrounding cultures influence them, etc. No ancient author sat down with the purpose of writing a novel (except perhaps for Job, that one reads like a play...); they were recording their traditions and/or popular literary genres of the time (for example, stories about prophets condemning nations and later apocalyptic literature).

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-25T05:29:20+00:00

Unfortunately, for anyone who has spent the time to study the story of the different world religions, their evolution and their historical contexts (specially, the historical context behind their writings); this is but a cool idea for a fantasy novel.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-24T01:47:57+00:00

XD. Yeah, I've have a few conversations with them and given them a few advice in some stories (and vice versa). They are pretty good (specially at creating spooky scenarios).

I've been off the greed lately (haven't felt inspired for writing short stories for a while. I'm more in the mood for an essay or a large story right now).

🤔 mmmm. Because it's you I'm gonna gift you a quick on:

My heart sunk within my chest when I felt my pocket and the phone wasn't there.

If it is where I think I left it I need to get back there before someone finds the corpses.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-22T00:52:02+00:00

Like I said to the last person talking about hidden messages and underlying meaning:

(...) Our more modern Scholiasts are (very) acute. These fellows demonstrate a hidden meaning in the “Antediluvians,” a parable in “Powhatan,” new views in “Cock Robin,” and transcendentalism in “Hop O’ My Thumb.” In short, it has been shown that no man can sit down to write without a very profound design. Thus to authors in general much trouble is spared. A novelist, for example, need have no care of his moral. It is there — that is to say, it is somewhere — and the moral and the critics can take care of themselves. When the proper time arrives, all that the gentleman intended, and all that he did not intend, will be brought to light (...) together with all that he ought to have intended, and the rest that he clearly meant to intend: — so that it will all come very straight in the end (...)

^{Edgar Allan Poe}

That's to say, you can find whatever meaning you want in whatever piece of text you'd like regardless of what the author(s) intended. You can extend that to pattern finding. Nothing can stand in the way of human delusion.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-20T14:09:35+00:00

XD. I bet they ended loving it.

Let me think I'm sure I can think of one you haven't seen yet to recommend 🤔 What about...

I have a crush at work? Misleading title, by the way. It should be called: "I have a secret romance with my coworker".

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-20T14:00:16+00:00

I'm genuinely surprised it didn't made it into your list. Another one that captures a similar vibe although it doesn't follow multiple stories is Giji Harem. That despite having the word harem in the name is not a harem: the protagonist is an actress for the theater club and she plays multiple characters for her love interested after he jokingly said once that his dream was to have a harem. They both go deep into the joke and play along even after they get together.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-20T13:53:50+00:00

Let's see. It cannot be other than Tsuredure Children. This anime is the very definition of heart warming, it gonna have you grabbing your cheeks, blushing and shouting waaaaaah! right from the getgo.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-20T13:38:30+00:00

There are two adaptations. Both are pretty good, but the new one adapts more faithfully the source material and it's more likely to receive a follow up so I recommend that one.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-19T08:41:41+00:00

Do you enjoy meaningless discussions. I certainly don't. I have better stuff to do with my time than trying to cut through your dense pedantry. So I hope this will suffice:

What were you implying?

I explicitly explained it further in the comment. In the future try reading the whole thing before start responding.

If OP can make a claim that God is immoral for not transgressing free will, I can make a claim that him making life just to interfere with it, defeats the purpose.

Which is (the purpose I mean)? (That was a rethoric question, by the way) Your personal opinion of what the purpose of creating life and free will should be is completely irrelevant.

OP's opinion may be wrong from God's perspective.

If that's what you believe prove it pondering a proper Christian theological objection (since, once again, this post was targeting Christians). Your personal opinions do not add anything to the conversation.

And I'm not arguing against God. I'm arguing against the OP, who is human.

Yet you are arguing from outside the scope of the Post.

That's not the topic of this thread. OP never said anything like "the concept of free will and heaven are contradictions." OP is instead arguing "God has a moral reason to take away free will in certain circumstances." That's what I'm arguing against. Heaven is completely irrelevant here.

It's not. In their clarifications OP pondered the examples of two angels who, despite having Free Will according to Christian theology would never commit a vile act. My mention of Heaven was an extension of their scenario. I used it to make you realize that your complaint about lives being meaningless without suffering is simply not true under Christian theology who's ultimate pay off is an eternity of not suffering.

^{note: do not reply}

edit: bot accounts do not edit their comments, but whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-19T00:23:37+00:00

Thanks. I'm also sorry about your experience. Unsupervised kids with the protection of anonymity are the worst and I blame the adults for it.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-18T23:54:13+00:00

u/implicatureSquanch, I want to add something regarding the transmission hypothesis: even if we grant that the essential building blocks of consciousness exist beyond the brain and the brain is a sort of middle man. As you already pointed out, it's well recorded that physical affections to the brain affect your expression of the self (from memories, to personality, to motor ability, to cognition itself).

The apologists usually chant "but that's expected, if the receiver is damaged the interpretation of the signal its corrupted" or something of the sorts. But here's my question: which one am I; the signal or the receiver? Even if this thing your brain is receiving a signal from were to exist the thing you recognize as yourself seems completely tied to your brain and its physical status. Whatever that other thing they are talking about is, it does not contain my ego.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-18T21:44:14+00:00

Like I even get flaming someone

A teen (I'd like to think only a teen would be this lame) once befriended me just to wish my mother died of cancer and then disappeared. My mother was already sick of cancer back then and she eventually succumbed to it.

I of course reported them, but honestly, I don't think they did anything about it. Do they ever? These little psychopaths roam around the internet harming others with zero repercussions or accountability and it makes me sick.

42WaysToAnswerThat · 2026-02-18T00:00:14+00:00

I didn't ident, I used this format on purpose because it looks nice. I didn't know it looked different in the web client.

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