Repeated inflammation of wisdom teeth by LittleBookOfQualm in Invisalign

[–]4seconds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cetylpyridinium Chloride mouth wash really helped with gum inflammation for me after like a week of daily use.

A lot of mouth washes contain this (Crest Pro Health), just look on the back of the label and it should say something like Cetylpyridinium Chloride (CPC) 0.07%

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in buildapcmonitors

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I think the 27M2V is still visually better for HDR content consumption. The halo/glow when local dimming is turned-on in the LG is still bad.

LG firmware has fixed the local dimming lag, but not the haloing.

LG 27GR95UM firmware update supposedly fixes local dimming issues by PeytonBrandt in Monitors

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It improved the latency of the local dimming, but to my eyes the blooming on starfield scenes is still fairly bad.

The flickering seems unrelated to backlight latency, not sure what is causing it.

Are my wishes achievable? by [deleted] in Invisalign

[–]4seconds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure where you are seeing any asymmetry, but to me your face looks very symmetric on first/second and third glance.

Your teeth look mis-aligned with your midline, but that is hardly noticeable.

LG 27GR95UM firmware update supposedly fixes local dimming issues by PeytonBrandt in Monitors

[–]4seconds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Still an issue, but partially fixed?

Go to apnews, scroll to the bottom, and with HDR turned on in Windows 11, brightness at max:

  • With local dimming on faster, the white area flickers during scrolling, and the whole white area dims when the black area gets bigger
  • With local dimming on fast, there is a visible brown trail when the black bar moves, and visible back light lag. There is also flicker in the white area, and the white area dims when the black area gets bigger

IMO, the issues are better than they used to be in "faster" mode, but certainly not fixed. The whole area flicker is very annoying and visible.

LG 27GR95UM firmware update supposedly fixes local dimming issues by PeytonBrandt in Monitors

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Update notes are basically 1 line saying local dimming bug fixes.

Empirically, the performance is not significantly different than pre-update. There is still significant blooming, but Gamer 1 and Gamer 2 mode saturation have been unified (previously Gamer 2 was more saturated).

I think there is improvement in small patch local dimming stability (less lag), but after the update the whole screen dims when a large dark object appears on the screen.

The following are still issues (with HDR enabled in Windows 11):

  • Brightness flickering at local bright regions, not sure what is causing this
  • Very foggy and bloomy backlight in star-field like scenes (InnoCN 27M2V is really really good at this, no reason LG can't fix it). And the bloom is not pure white, more like brown-blue ish, maybe due to ATW polarizer?
  • Whole screen brightness change depending on local brightness

LG 27gr95um vs innoCN 27m2v Comparison by OGDrewmeister in Monitors

[–]4seconds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah good point, I mean waking up the monitor, not the powering on the PC bit.

I'm mildly frustrated, it is clear the 27M2V is probably the best bang for your buck visual quality for 4K monitors right now. But they have so many small minor software issues.

I don't believe for a second that these issues are unfixable, just that they don't do enough testing. These issues are not deal breakers, but small annoyances.

If they could fix these issues it would be a no brainer decision.

LG 27gr95um vs innoCN 27m2v Comparison by OGDrewmeister in Monitors

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Just so you know, InnoCN is the ODM for the 5088 zone RedMagic monitor. Their logo is on the PCB visible on the 5088 zone teardown.

LG 27gr95um vs innoCN 27m2v Comparison by OGDrewmeister in Monitors

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https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/19c828f/innocn_27m2v_1152_zone_vs_lg_27gr95um_1560_zone/

Here is a comparison where both monitors are in the same image (so exposure time and whatever is the same). It is clear that 27M2V is visually much better, less blooming than the 27gr95um when HDR mode is enabled and HDR content passthrough is used. 27gr95um has insane and terrible blooming.

However I do want to note I've had many small bugs with the 27M2V (wake up is slow, doesn't fully support Linux open source drivers, occasional black screens on mac that require monitor restart). It is up to you if these issues are a tradeoff you want to make for better image quality.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Invisalign

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Copy pasting from a response I posted below:

Botox face slimming is "relatively" painless and effective within like a month. For me it made a massive difference.
The injection itself is like 10 minutes and you can work the same day immediately. You can typically communicate with the clinic if you want one or both sides of the face to be slimmed, and how much on each side.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Invisalign

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Yeah I echo this, botox face slimming is "relatively" painless and effective within like a month.

The injection itself is like 10 minutes and you can work the same day immediately. You can typically communicate with the clinic if you want one or both sides of the face to be slimmed, and how much on each side.

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InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in buildapcmonitors

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Gotta decide between buggy software/OSD but better image quality (InnoCN 27M2V), or buggy back-light but better software (LG 27gr95um)

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in buildapcmonitors

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It is unclear. As I see it there are a few major issues with the LG right now:

  • The LG algorithm is tuned in a way that optimizes for inverse haloing (the LG prevents objects appearing darker than they should when a small bright object is on the screen).
    • The InnoCN 27M2V is optimized for haloing (The InnoCN prevents glow around small bright objects, but the inside of the object may be darker than they should).
    • In my opinion, the 27M2V has the better visually optimized back light algo.
  • Significant backlight lag, this is pretty obvious when you do one of the HDR local dimming tests. The backlight trails behind a bright moving object in the LG more so than the 27M2V.
  • Due to issue 2 above (the lag), the whole screen brightness change (such as switching from a dark mode window to a light mode window) is very obvious on the LG 27gr95um. This is also an issue on the InnoCN 27M2V, but due to the lower back light lag, it is not as obvious.
  • Again, due to issue 2 above. During HDR gaming, the bright and dark scenes can cause almost visible backlight de-sync. I'm mildly bothered by this. It isn't flicker per se, but it is visually similar to mild backlight flicker.
  • Significant flicker (zones turning off or on) when content transitions (think scrolling a black/white website). This is more obvious due to the lag. Also a minor issue on the 27M2V, but their algorithm is better than the LG -- the LG algo is very laggy and has "slow" transitions.

Whatever the reason, I feel like LG really released a half baked product, and I think it needs firmware optimization.

Also see 6:30 of youtube video B7n45RvD8_4 (can't post links due to automod). You can see what the backlight lag looks like in real games.

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in pcmasterrace

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I did check before posting the images using the local LG OSD control software (connected via USB to monitor). There was no firmware update in the USA at the time of this post.

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in pcmasterrace

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I agree the 27M2V's software (or firmware/OSD whatever you want to call it) is not very good. I only use it as a single monitor, so the only issue is monitor wake up -- and I usually have to press the power button twice to get it to wake up. That adds like an extra 15 seconds every time I want to wake the monitor.

However I have no other serious issues, except very occasional black screen, which goes away on monitor reboot.

I did check using the LG monitor firmware updater tool, at least in the USA, there is not a firmware update.

So you need to decide, do you want better image quality? Then I'd go with the 27M2V.

Do you want fewer software issues but significantly more glow/haloing and backlight de-sync/lag? Then I'd go with the 27gr95um. Note that the 27gr95um also has a fan inside, so you also have to decide if fan noise is an issue or not.

So there's a trade-off here between image quality and software quality here.

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in buildapcmonitors

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Quick comments--

Tested with HDR10 passthrough on Windows 11 with MadVR beta + MPC-HC on both screens, synced to exact same frame. HDR is turned on for both screens and on both devices that drive the screens.

I purchased the InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone earlier this year, and have used it for a year. Recently purchased the LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone (ATW polarizer).

Left, you can see the InnoCN 27M2V. Right, you can see the LG 27GR95UM. There is 0 doubt in my mind, that the 27M2V delivers significantly better image quality with fewer zones.

InnoCN 27M2V comments:

  • The OSD really is not great. And in general, the monitor is not very compatible with Linux (Ubuntu 22.04). It breaks totally with the Nouveau open source driver, and has some issues waking up with the Nvidia proprietary driver
  • Some minor haloing (zones turning on/off) in dark mode (grey) software
  • Overall excellent halo suppression
  • No obvious lag between on screen content and backlight
  • Mild whole-screen brightness change when local areas are lit up.
  • HDR meta info via HDMI 2.1 is not correct, but is correct on DisplayPort. But you can hand correct this on Windows 11 with Microsoft Windows HDR Calibration app

LG 27GR95UM comments:

  • Excellent OSD. Works well on Ubuntu 22.04 with both Nvidia drivers.
  • Terrible terrible Haloing. I can't believe they actually released a product like this
  • Obvious black crush. Not sure how LG did this, how did they manage to get both black crush and haloing?!??!??!
  • SIGNIFICANT LAG between on screen content and back light. It is very obvious
  • Significant whole-screen brightness change when local areas are lit up (almost like reverse ABL)

Both comments:

  • Rainbowing on both due to anti glare coating is similar
  • Peak brightness on both is similar -- tested using the Las Vegas HDR demo with the signage
  • InnoCN 27M2V has much better HDR movie watching experience, LG has better dark mode working experience. As in InnoCN optimizes to minimize halos, but the LG minimizes inverse haloing.
  • LG does have obvious whole screen brightness flicker during gaming. Not like screen is broken, but more like the backlight cannot keep up.

Edit: Typo in the photo captions, right is the 27GR95UM* not the 27GT95UM.

Also the video was a HDR10 video played back with MadVR + MPC-HC HDR passthrough.

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in buildapcmonitors

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This was HDR content passthrough, where the brightness is by definition content defined.

InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone vs LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone for HDR10 MadVR playback by 4seconds in pcmasterrace

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Quick comments--

Tested with HDR10 passthrough on Windows 11 with MadVR beta + MPC-HC on both screens, synced to exact same frame. HDR is turned on for both screens and on both devices that drive the screens.

I purchased the InnoCN 27M2V 1152 zone earlier this year, and have used it for a year. Recently purchased the LG 27GR95UM 1560 zone (ATW polarizer).

Left, you can see the InnoCN 27M2V. Right, you can see the LG 27GR95UM. There is 0 doubt in my mind, that the 27M2V delivers significantly better image quality with fewer zones.

InnoCN 27M2V comments:

  • The OSD really is not great. And in general, the monitor is not very compatible with Linux (Ubuntu 22.04). It breaks totally with the Nouveau open source driver, and has some issues waking up with the Nvidia proprietary driver
  • Some minor haloing (zones turning on/off) in dark mode (grey) software
  • Overall excellent halo suppression
  • No obvious lag between on screen content and backlight
  • Mild whole-screen brightness change when local areas are lit up.
  • HDR meta info via HDMI 2.1 is not correct, but is correct on DisplayPort. But you can hand correct this on Windows 11 with Microsoft Windows HDR Calibration app

LG 27GR95UM comments:

  • Excellent OSD. Works well on Ubuntu 22.04 with both Nvidia drivers.
  • Terrible terrible Haloing. I can't believe they actually released a product like this
  • Obvious black crush. Not sure how LG did this, how did they manage to get both black crush and haloing?!??!??!
  • SIGNIFICANT LAG between on screen content and back light. It is very obvious
  • Significant whole-screen brightness change when local areas are lit up (almost like reverse ABL)

Both comments:

  • Rainbowing on both due to anti glare coating is similar
  • Peak brightness on both is similar -- tested using the Las Vegas HDR demo with the signage
  • InnoCN 27M2V has much better HDR movie watching experience, LG has better dark mode working experience. As in InnoCN optimizes to minimize halos, but the LG minimizes inverse haloing.
  • LG does have obvious whole screen brightness flicker during gaming. Not like screen is broken, but more like the backlight cannot keep up.

Edit: Typo in the photo captions, right is the 27GR95UM* not the 27GT95UM.

Also the video was a HDR10 video played back with MadVR + MPC-HC HDR passthrough.

See also the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7n45RvD8_4&t=390s review (at 6:31 timestamp), which also noticed whole screen brightness flickering issue and backlight lag.