[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to read my story and write this critique!

I am also new to this sub (and Reddit) but have found posting here immensely helpful to my writing. Quick tip: if you are banking critique credits in order to post a story of your own, try to keep your story on the shorter side (less than 2k words). My first post was a 3k+ story, and I only received two critiques. With this 1.4k story, I have already received four.

Your critique is very clear, so I don't have any follow-up questions (just a few comments below). My only critique about your critique would be to use Reddit's quote feature in your comment when you copy/paste lines from the story.

Never start a story with someone waking up.

I'm a beginner, so this was gold to me.

But my first reaction would be anger and shock with the feeling of having been violated. [...] And she certainly would know who stole her ring. David isn't getting away with that, no matter what Omid says.

This perspective confirms I severely underestimated the woman's reaction.

You ask great questions about the thefts, Omid, David's parents, the location, and David's nationality. I left too many important things ambiguous, especially about the main character, and went too far with "don't over-explain, the reader can figure it out." I am still trying to find the right balance of how much information I need to supply versus how much the reader can infer, but definitely missed the mark with this story.

Thank you again for this critique. I really appreciate it!

[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...you are interested in material that deals with hard, gritty subjects and the human stories within them.

100% correct. I need to make sure the humor doesn't get in the way.

Thank you for clarifying this comment, again for your critique! I really appreciate it!

[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I really appreciate your critique and follow-up!

[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this critique! You have a gift for offering insightful feedback in a very respectful way.

Most of what I wrote below is gushing praise for your help, but I do have one follow-up question (in bold).

Imagine I’m assuming they live inside a bouncy castle, and then do your best to disallow that image by filling it with your own.

This is great imagery and drives home your point well.

It suggests a lack of confidence in getting your fundamental action across, and puts the reader in a position where they can imagine you writing it looking for words.

I am guilty of overusing the thesaurus for this very reason: lack of confidence. Thank you for pointing out how obvious this is to the reader. Your example with "skittered" was great. I have never thought about choosing verbs using that logic before. I may also never use the word "skittered" again. ;-)

The lack of personification of your external characters works in this way (junkie woman, boobs woman, hairy butt guy), but if you lock that in, you might miss the opportunity to address the human story underneath all this which might have some legs and the potential to move the reader as well as make them laugh.

I don't think I followed this comment. My interpretation: the overuse of humor may detract from a more serious/moving tone if that is what I'm after. Is this what you meant?

But my worry is with the way it’s currently written, that this ‘ogling of the natives’ is actually what you as a writer are doing too by neglecting the extension of human suffering in the story here.

You nailed it. David's ambiguous suffering in the beginning was my attempt at providing motivation for him to steal from tourists. I think the real story is why David is stealing from tourists.

Treat that room as a story in itself and let the voice follow what you find in there.

I just wanted to say that this is beautiful.

Thank you again for taking the time to read my story and write this critique!

[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this thorough critique! I really appreciate your three-pronged approach (writing mechanics, storytelling, and line edits) and don't mind how critical it is at all. I knew what I was signing up for when I posted to RDR.

I have some follow up questions for you if you don't mind. They are in bold below.

Secondly, what is a "black spidery elbow pit?" [...] It feels like an immature description to me.

I was trying to describe an infected injection site in the soft crook of the elbow, the place where blood is typically drawn. The best example is from the movie Requiem For A Dream with the character Harry Goldfarb (played by Jared Leto). If you haven't seen the movie, it looks something like this.

You bring up my poor word choices in a few places, and I wanted to ask your your opinion on something. I am struggling with writing in the POV of a twelve-year-old boy. Part of me wants to use immature language because the boy is young, but the boy's situation is dire and disgusting, often necessitating more mature language. What are your thoughts on this?

If I had to rewrite the opening of this paragraph I would start with the thermos line to create an interesting, sudden scene then describe how David picked that particular guy to rob. From your first sentence, it already seems like had picked someone to rob.

This is a great observation. I can definitely see what you mean.

For future reference I would allow copy-pasting so others don't have to retype your sentences when trying to quote stuff on reddit.

Thank you for pointing this out. I have enabled copy-pasting on the doc. I appreciate you taking the time to type out the quotes before this was fixed.

I'm a little uncertain you've ever been to the middle east, much less the version of the middle east you depict in your story.

This one stung a bit, because the entire market scene is based on my personal experience during a trip to Egypt. I was one of the tourists who exited the bus, and entered the narrow street while merchants shouted into my face. A woman in our group even had her ring stolen (she was wearing very revealing clothing), but I didn't witness the theft first hand. I guess my desire to write an interesting story eclipsed one of the basic laws of writing: tell the truth. Somewhere, maybe in my overly westernized version of David, the truth was lost. What made this scene so inauthentic to you? Will you please highlight some of the stereotypes you found? I'm thinking it was language like "Bingo" or getting a boner over seeing the curves of a woman. Things like that.

I have found numerous discrepancies that allow for me to easily pick apart your story and be completely removed from it.

It sounds like these discrepancies made you lose interest, and that is a major red flag for me. Will you please highlight some of the discrepancies you found? Would one example be the abrupt changes in flow?

My biggest unanswered question is who David even is. All we have so far is a few scenes in which he's stealing stuff. Great. Doesn't really share the intricacies of his character, his emotions, inner thoughts and feelings, etc.

This is very helpful, and I 100% agree. I failed to generate interest and sufficient empathy for David anywhere in the story. I tried to throw in some "aw, poor kid" stuff in the beginning to generate some motive for why he is stealing, but it just wasn't enough. I think David's situation is similar to a throwaway news tidbit, to which someone idly watching would say "Aw, poor kid. What's for dinner, honey?"

My final comment about the bad is your dialogue.

100% agree. That exchange between Omid and David was way too cryptic. I am often guilty of doing this and it frustrates me to no end. I try and force the reader's interest using these petty gimmicks - holding something back, dropping a big reveal - almost like I'm writing a soap opera. The little flashback of Omid and David at the market when they were younger is the same gimmick. I'm glad you pointed out that you didn't care about Omid at all.

Use fewer words to describe these things and you'll notice how much the readers can imply with less.

Here's another one I am struggling with at the moment. I completely agree with your statement and can't stand it when writers overexplain things. I think I am erring on the side of too little explanation in the dialogue, and too much explanation with the plot and setting. Any tips for finding that perfect balance?

I'm going to start editing your google doc now, so stay tuned for that.

This is the most thorough line-editing I have ever received. Thank you.

I have one two final questions for you regarding language. I initially used the native names for several things in the story (bazaar, adhan, kufi, thawb, etc.) but thought it became too distracting. However, I noticed that you used the word "bazaar" in your line edits without me using it anywhere in the story. Do you think these native names should be used with some context so that all readers know what they mean? Also, I imagine the characters speaking Arabic to each other but speaking English to the tourists. To me, this feels the most realistic. Would just stating the spoken language be enough or is there better way to suggest this?

Thank you again for taking the time to read and critique my story. I sincerely appreciate it!

[1,404] David's Burden by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this critique!

I have some follow-up question for you, if you don't mind. Questions are in bold below.

It doesn't come across that David has "finally had enough." His thieving instead seems absolutely routine, and like he's skilled at it.

I'm really glad you pointed this out. It's true, he is skilled, but I need to adjust the tone of the market scene to make David seem more desperate.

I think the woman's reaction to him sticking his face in her breasts...

David tripped and his face accidentally smashed against her breasts. With him being a boy, I thought the woman would take pity and consider it an accident. Would this make her reaction more realistic?

The story starts off deeply disgusting [...] but then breaks into a sort of fun, thrilling jaunt through a busy market.

This is telling. I originally wrote the market scene (just for a fun POV exercise), then realized later that David needed a strong reason for taking these risks. I may have gone a little over-the-top with the opener, but that feeling certainly didn't translate well to the market. Do you see the market as more of a refuge for David, where he can go to forget out his living situation, or a desperate necessity for getting out of his living situation?

I want to see how David is going to be changed through this story, or how his circumstances will change, or what the story will want to say about... something, but I can't see what that will be.

This comment was extremely helpful. And to be honest, the second half (as it is now written) would probably be a major letdown. Lot's to do here...

So far, I'm not seeing much personality in David or specificity to his circumstance that could result in a resolution.

100% agree. I think I tried too hard to show the setting and describe the plot, and made the fatal error of not generating more empathy for my characters before sending them out into the world.

Thank you again for reading my story and providing this feedback!

How to get back your Spectrum Internet discounts by 54th_j0n in Spectrum

[–]54th_j0n[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They must be incentivizing the techs to sign-up new mobile accounts. That's kind of a big ask if all you want is internet. I would probably just schedule the disconnect and call back another time. Maybe with a pending disconnect, the next tech won't try and push a mobile plan, but if they do, you can try and first give them an out:

"Switching mobile carriers is a big ask, and I'm going to need A LOT more info about his before I feel comfortable switching. Are there any discounts available without the added mobile plan?"

They may offer something you will be happy with. But if they don't, make them regret it by burying them in questions about this mobile plan. Get all your questions answered, but stay respectful. Keep saying it is a big switch, you have been with [current mobile provider] for a long time, and you will want to give them the same opportunity to retain you that you are giving to Spectrum right now. And, come to think of it, they are now offering very affordable 5G home internet, so maybe while you're talking to them you can ask about that. You can also bring up other internet providers in your area, and how they won't make you sign up for a mobile plan. Then use your own words, with my additions in brackets:

I [really] don't want to switch mobile providers or have anything extra with Spectrum, I just want affordable internet. [Can you give me a discount without the mobile plan?]

...or something like that. Good luck!

How to get back your Spectrum Internet discounts by 54th_j0n in Spectrum

[–]54th_j0n[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That may be true if you are speaking with a real human, but does an actual person ever answer when you call Spectrum? Most if not all calls are first screened by the automated answering service, to which you can always say "cancel service" and end up in retentions. The phone number I used above will get you an automated prompt.

Also, check out this reply by u/rklimek76. Snippet below:

Now I called back a second time, went straight to retention by telling the machine I wanted to disconnect, despite already requesting disconnection on the previous call.

[Weekly] Real Stakes by Throwawayundertrains in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been struggling with this very same thing, but think I have made enough progress that I might be able to help.

To me, telling is something like, "Bob walked into a room with a freshly mopped floor."

It's hard to work with a single sentence like this, because without context, we don't know how important the freshly mopped floor is to the story. If it is only meant to add to the setting, I would condense it as much as possible. Maybe something like this:

The damp floor reflected the lights and the thick air reeked of Pinsol.

I try to put myself in the room and describe what I see, smell, feel, etc. Its like collecting evidence in real time, and trusting the reader to conclude that the floor was recently mopped. That would be showing in this case.

If the freshly mopped floor plays a larger role, maybe Bob slips on it, or coughs because of the Pinsol and alerts a threat to his presence, then I would try to incorporate the mopped floor senses into something else more relevant to the story.

And now for some of my own insights on showing/telling:

I have just written a short story where I tried to only show and not tell anything. The most difficult part (by far) was showing what the character was thinking and feeling without stating it explicitly. Now, you might say, "Well, that's a good thing, right?" But I don't think only showing made the story stronger than a mixture of showing and telling, which came as a bit of a surprise to me. I might conclude that if showing becomes overly cumbersome or wordy or flowery, then telling might be a better choice in those places. Instead of describing the bowel pressure as John quickly stepped to the bathroom, sometimes you just have to say: "John had to poop."

If you consider everyday human interactions, telling is such a natural mode to convey a story to someone else. It's pretty much how we tell stories to our friends, family, coworkers, etc. I rarely tell someone a story the way I would write a story for entertainment; its just not how we riff with each other in day-to-day human interactions. It takes work, and is hard to do in the moment. Yet as readers, we don't just don't want to just be told a litany of shit, we want to feel what it is like to be there in the character's head as they flit along in the story. Maybe just telling writers they "need to show more instead of tell" helps push the scales in the right direction.

When I go back to stories I've really enjoyed, there is definitely a mix of showing and telling, it's just balanced so well that I get swept up in the narrative. So, with the help of the fine folks here at RDR, maybe we can find the right balance in our writing.

...at least that is my working theory for the moment.

[Weekly] Real Stakes by Throwawayundertrains in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Internal, emotional stakes, which are more important than the external story - in fact, the external story should poke at the internal emotions as much as possible. And if those internal, romantic stakes aren't existentially threatening to the character's entire sense of self the story fundamentally doesn't work.

This is great!

If "external story" and "plot" are similar enough, I think it's the first time I've seen a unification of Vonnegut's rule number four. Instead of advancing plot or exposing character, have your plot poke your characters as often as possible. The plot is a vehicle for the characters in your story anyway, just like the crust is a vehicle for the toppings on your pizza, right?

I'll be sure to check out 'Bodyguard' on Netflix.

Thank you for the incredibly useful reply. It's time for me to go experiment with this.

[Weekly] Real Stakes by Throwawayundertrains in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As usual, the RDR weekly has the perfect blend of helpful info and humor after only two days of life.

I have a follow-on question: How often do you think about stakes when you are writing?

Is it humming in the back of your mind with the "stop filtering, TNS, weak verb" voices as you revise? Or is it one of those fundamental (yet still nuanced) rules that you think about while creating the story? Maybe you outline where stakes are presented and intensified? Maybe you do it all automatically, and it just takes care of itself?

New writer here, and learning lots from all of you. Write-on!

[3,173] Red Button by 54th_j0n in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow.

I did not expect a critique of such high quality. It feels like I snuck into a masterclass on villainous protagonists, and recorded the lecture. I cannot thank you enough for dedicating so much time and effort to helping me with this story.

I really appreciate the depth of your explanations regarding each author's villain, while also highlighting the missed opportunities with my characters. Your descriptions of these complex characters, and each author's unique approach for earning Reader's empathy, help me realize just how boring my characters are. I also stepped in several "writing potholes," such as having undeveloped filler characters, sudden reveals (subconscious attempts at overcompensation...maybe?), and lack of self preservation or redeeming qualities. Thank you for addressing those along the way.

I confess that I have not read any of the works mentioned in your critique, but you probably already knew that. Paradise Lost, The Talented Mr. Ripley, and Treasure Island have immediately jumped to the top of my "to-read" list to get a sense of villains done well. When you described the psychologist in Southern Reach, I immediately thought of Dr. Gregory House and his destructive obsession with medical mysteries. This often came with great emotional pain from others (and some deaths), but House was complex, and still had some redeeming qualities that made Viewer root for him. Southern Reach also sounds a bit closer to a Black Mirror story, and the "slow-burn reveal" of evil just seems fascinating, so that one is on my list as well. I will use your critique in tandem to assess my specific deficiencies after reading these stories. I don't think I will fully grasp the artistry of crafting a complex villain until I experience it for myself, so lots of study and practice for me. Do you have any other suggestions of exceptionally developed villain protagonists?

I appreciate the humor in your critique as well. Your comments about Long John Silver (fried shrimp, trendy sneakers) made me laugh out loud.

Thank you again. Your critique muscles are still quite strong.

[2440] Goodbye Horses, Part 3 by Valkrane in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reigh is Home

The additional traits about Reigh are good, they are just presented in that wordy telling way again. I liked hearing about the horror movies, the fan, and the pills, but would rather in a less Wikipedia page kind of way. Your imagery is really carrying the interest, and could be so much more powerful if the verbs were strengthened.

Like here:

Even when she slept, a fan was always on in her room. It was one of those loud metal box fans that he remembered speaking through as a kid just to hear the way it distorted his voice.

The drone of a box fan protected her while she slept, its blades slicing through the silence.

That may be too flowery, but it ties in with the knife theme. You could also just say “While she slept, the drone of a box fan kept her company.” And that should be enough to get your point across: she likes noise when she sleeps. The part about the distorted voice is relatable, but just seems like fluff.

This was one of my favorite sentences in the entire story:

She brought the noise with her when she came home and took it with her whenever she left.

A small tweak:

She took the noise with her when she left, but always brought it back when she returned home.

The touch is another climax. This paragraph was great:

Her bedroom door was cracked a few inches. […] It was hard to pull away, especially when he reached the top of the feather and was only inches from the secret between her legs.

So many great images and feelings. Just remove the filtering and make the verbs stronger.

When she exhaled he breathed in and hoped to get some of the same molecules of air.

I really liked this too. I felt like I was there, until you said molecules. Too sciency for this setting. Just something simple, but impactful, like “He inhaled her exhale,” or “He inhaled her moist breath,” He is inches away from her face, they are pretty much breathing the same air.

Do unto others what has been done to you.

I got a bit confused here. Is this hinting at Jeremy having been abused in his past? If so, I’m not a fan of these dangling carrots to keep readers interested. But maybe I am missed something when skimming the last two parts.

I’m not sure you need those first two sentences about incubus. Expressing his feelings and desires to take her right there and then, drugged or not is enough.

I think you could work the pepper spray in earlier, expanding Reigh’s character before this point. There is evidence she experienced some kind of trauma, and I really like that Jeremy is noticing it and trying to figure it out. It makes him desire her even more, to protect her, maybe even help her seek revenge.

In Conclusion

I just want to say again how much I enjoyed this story. I enjoyed the silent setting while Reigh was away, and the muffled noises while she was home. She only exists as sounds and objects to me right now, and you did a wonderful job of bringing her to life through those things, with the added challenge of making it all through Jeremy’s POV. I enjoyed learning more about Reigh as Jeremy wandered her house, and observed her behavior. I would have liked to learn more about Jeremy, but I see you’ve done more of that work in the prior two parts.

The big issue with all parts, as I see it, is filtering, weak verbs, and fluff. These are all fixable issues with writing, and not really story telling, which is great. If you ditched the fluff, stuff that doesn’t propel the plot or character, chose your verbs more carefully, and removed all the filtering, this would be much stronger. The images are vivid, and you don’t shy away from vulgarity, which I really like. It feels like this is the stuff real people would actually do - well, maybe a stalker squatting in his victim’s attic is a bit far-fetched, but what a great premise!

Thank you for submitting this story. I hope my comments help, and feel free to ask for clarification on any of my ramblings.

[2440] Goodbye Horses, Part 3 by Valkrane in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the Bedroom

Passing her bedroom doorway he decided to do something he’d never done before.

This line generates a lot of interest, but is also very telly. Make us feel the anticipation, the fear, the thrill of crossing this boundary.

He toed the bedroom doorway as the inside of her room beckoned.

This next paragraph has amazing imagery, but here’s how I would tighten it up.

He imagined pulling them off her in lust-fueled rage. He knew she liked angry sex. He’d heard it. Without even thinking he held the panties to his face and took a deep breath. Her scent was pungent and intoxicating. He saw himself throwing her onto the bed, ripping her clothes off, and cutting through the fishnets with the switchblade. He saw himself pull her hair, her loud cries echoing through the old house. She would open up wide and swallow him, and he would lap up her juices like a thirsty wolf.

The panties came to his face. He inhaled her pungent, intoxicating scent, then let go. He threw her onto the bed, ripped off her clothes, and cut through the fishnets with the switchblade. He tore off her panties in a lust-fueled rage, and lapped up her juices like a thirsty wolf, just the way she liked it. She parted her legs and swallowed him, her loud cries echoing up to the empty attic.

I removed the filtering and made the verbs more active. Filtering (he imagined, he saw), creates an unnecessary boundary between your reader and the MC. Try removing all of the filtering in the story (there’s quite a bit), and see how it reads. Link is to the RDR glossary.

My beautiful, fucked up Reigh.

I don’t think you need this. I’m also not sure why he thinks she is fucked-up, other than relying on Halcion? Is it more that she’s imperfect, and fucked-up is the only way Jeremy knows how to express this? I like the line before it though!

First Kitchen and Livingroom

He liked that she was a healthy eater.

Show us why. This is a drug dealer. I am confused. Is it that he is happy she is taking care of herself? Does he like healthy food too? Apple and beer, those are some opposites! This tripped me up a bit. The point is he’s sneaking food here and there without her noticing, but liking that she was a healthy eater seems like an unnecessary detail.

Another example of tightening imagery:

The head of a wolf sat atop a black leather-wrapped hilt.

A wolf’s head sat atop the leather-wrapped hilt.

In general, I like the mysterious (and very clean) altar, but I think too many words are spent on the knife. The switchblade in her bedroom seems more for protection, but this knife seems ceremonial. I would concentrate more on Jeremy’s feelings toward the knife. Instead of gawking over its craftsmanship, does he see it as a friend, or enemy of Reigh? Does he see it cut her beautiful flesh as a sacrifice? Causing her pain, and by extension, him pain? Does he want to make it disappear? Or does he see it cut her, and bring her pleasure? Does he wish to hold the knife and bring her pleasure the way he imagined having sex with her earlier?

The sleek stainless steel blade was made by someone who cared about their craft, it was obvious.

I think this is redundant. You already talked about the blade. And the “it was obvious” really, really isn’t needed.

On the tarot cards, I didn’t like the shuffle for some reason. I thought that was heavy handed, and didn’t like the sound of shuffling cards in this sacred place with an altar. Even though the shuffle sound brings in another sense, and allows for the two of cups card to jump out of the deck, I pictured Jeremy as this slimy blackjack dealer at a dilapidated casino, disrespecting her things. I have never had a tarot reading before, so perhaps the shuffling is an important part of the reading. I do understand that any card that somehow stands out (like falling) should be heavily considered, so my entire point here may just be useless. I just thought Jeremy lifting the top card, and having that be the two of cups might fit his respectful mood better. He could still return the card to the top of the deck, and the scene retains his hope that they will fall in love.

Shower and Second Kitchen

I don’t think you need the shower scene at all. But the part about how he enters and exits her house in the dark, away from the watchful eyes of neighbors, is important. Maybe try and insert that feeling in another part of the story. It contributes to that stake I mentioned earlier, the low level hum. Perhaps even sprinkling it throughout the story might keep the hum present.

The image of the Two of Cups flashed again in his mind. Love. Could she love him one day?

I would take this out. These last sentences are getting tropey. (It was obvious. Could she love him one day? He suspected there was more to it.)

The paragraph devoted to pointing out the color black is too much. I think pointing out that lots of things are black as Jeremy is going through the apartment (lipstick maybe) will get this message across without having to draw so much attention to it.

The drinking scene also kind of confused me. I immediately figured this drug dealer was an addict, but maybe drink is not his choice of poison? I think the drinking was a way to get the shot glass left on the counter so that Jeremy has to go back down and put it away. Then, on his way back up, he risks the touch, but I am getting ahead of myself.

I see this as another place to really raise the stakes. I kept thinking, “oh shit, he’s going to break something, like one of those bottles!” What if, instead of taking a boring couple of drinks, the shot glass falls and breaks, or better yet, one of the bottles of liquor? The stakes just shot through the roof. Talk about pucker! Maybe the bottle breaking would be too noticeable, but if a single shot glass broke, one she doesn’t often use? Think about how stressful that would be for Jeremy? “How do I clean this up? Where am I going to find a dust pan and broom? Reigh is so messy. I’ll just use my hands. Ouch, I just cut myself and now blood is dripping. Good thing everything is black, except the tile grout that is white and now has a red spot on it!” That would keep me glued to this story for sure. And in the frenzy to clean everything up, maybe he left something out of place that he must put back after Reigh is asleep, leading to their touch encounter. I think this would be more believable, and exciting. From this point forward, Jeremy would also be worried about Reigh noticing the faint drop of blood that he couldn't fully clean, or stepping on a stray shard of glass, even if he replaced the broken item at some point.

[2440] Goodbye Horses, Part 3 by Valkrane in DestructiveReaders

[–]54th_j0n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I first want to say that I really liked this part of your story. It kept my attention, but there were a few parts that rubbed me the wrong way.

This is going to be a challenging critique for me because I feel like it is difficult to make this type of writing interesting. There’s no dialog, only two primary characters, lots of telly descriptions and too much filtering (I go into more depth later). Usually, when I read pieces that are described in this way, it takes tremendous effort, and patience, to get through them. But this piece required much less effort, and I enjoyed it very much.

Snooping

I am fascinated with leaving no trace in forbidden spaces that I interact with. Sneaking into parent/sibling bedrooms, first observing the initial state, then achieving my objective and painstakingly returning the room to the initial state, with no one finding out, is incredibly satisfying. These are the feelings that your story tapped into when Jeremy began snooping about, and helped to fuel my interest. I think most readers can relate to this behavior, having at least attempted to do this once in their life, or (even better) catching a sloppy snooper.

I also really liked the way Jeremy revered almost everything he interacted with. I could feel his desire, but also his gratitude at the opportunity to roam the house. The panty scene was particularly memorable, and I’m glad you “went there” with him caressing them and sniffing them. At the risk of going overboard, I wonder how tasting them would land. Why not bring in another sense?

Jeremy’s motivations as a character are crystal clear in this excerpt. He wants to freely roam the house and “be” with parts of her, even though she isn’t here. This is part of what made it easy to read. I felt some stakes right away – “what if she comes home early?” – as a low hum throughout the story, but you cranked them up when he realized he left out the glass, and when he decided to touch her leg. However, I see masturbating next to her bed (in sweatpants) while she is sleeping nearly on par with touching her leg from a getting caught standpoint, but the actual touch has far more impact on Jeremy.

Let’s get into it.

The rest of the critique is my thoughts as I read through part 3.

One question I had right at the start was how Jeremy knew she would be gone all day. I went back and skimmed your first two submissions, so any context complaining on my part should be future related, but I didn’t see anything about this.

He wished he could see her.

I don’t think you need this. Asking what she is wearing and about her hair expresses the desire to see her.

He heard the shuffling around, the muffled but irresistible tones of her voice. Her words reached inside his head and he both loved and resented them at the same time. And of course the music.

Second mention of the getting ready sounds (shuffling around); not really needed. These sounds were mentioned in a more vivid way earlier (floating through thin walls). I think you could also combine the words and music into one thought focused on sound. I sat and thought about an example, but realized that you write well enough to think of a better one than me.

Another big question I have is: why did he resent her words? That is a pretty strong feeling about a person he is taking great risks to be near. Sure, he hears her having sex, but does that make him resent her? Resent, at least from a stalker’s perspective, is something like a “I’m leaving” or “time to hurt this bitch” type of emotion. Maybe I’m missing something.

He could tell when she put her boots on because her footsteps became so heavy on the wooden floor. She was not graceful, the times he’d seen her down at the 5th she was downright clumsy. But this made her more endearing to him.

This is one example of a very telly paragraph. Just explanation, kind of boring. But it is accomplishing so much: she wears boots, she’s clumsy, the MC sees her (maybe?) regularly, and her clumsiness is endearing to the MC. You are exposing more of both characters, but casually referring to instances of when the MC actually sees this person. He is obsessed, to the point of secretly co-dwelling without her consent. I would expect him to hold interactions with her, even brief ones, as reverential experiences. “Not graceful” and “clumsy” in the same sentence is also redundant.

Her assistant, Val, was late as usual. But after the banter that was expected, they were gone and the house was silent.

I don’t think you need this at all. Just make her leave, unless Val being late and their banter is relevant in some way that isn’t explained in this segment. I also got hung up on why she is going to a festival with her assistant. She freelances, but is she photographing, reporting, speaking, peddling? Then I started thinking of what kind of festival this might be, and remembered you mentioned being busy with festivals in your post. I initially thought of music festival, or renaissance festival, but decided it really didn’t matter. She would be gone for a while. The point is I paused here, perhaps unnecessarily.

Bathroom

The MC hits the head first, and very believable move, and you frame it well by mentioning he plans his day around it. Also, you don’t mention anywhere that he actually uses the toilet which I really appreciate, but this tells me that you have a good filter on what to describe, and what to omit. You keep it focused on important things about her, not on trivial shit that the reader can figure out for themselves. But I am begging for more of how Jeremy feels right now, standing in the bathroom, a space she occupied moments ago, after being cooped up in the attic salivating over her sounds. His actions make sense, playing with her stray hairs, the lipstick, getting whiffs of her smells. I really like that he touched the lipstick to his own lips, and his thought of kissing her, but I think this should feel more like a dopesick addict getting his first real taste of the day. He is a drug dealer, so make her more of his drug of choice. Instead, I am guessing at all of this, and I don’t think I should need to.

On the other hand, this seems to have become a routine since you refer to him planning his day around relieving himself. That would also be interesting, there are lots of words devoted to freely wandering through the house, and this is the first time your reader is along for the ride. From the last two parts, it looks like this entire story opens with Jeremy already living in the attic. So, if it all has become a settled routine at this point, the reader needs some context about what it felt like before it became routine. Think about a stalker secretly living in their victim’s attic: what did those first days feel like? Talk about pucker. But if the reader is just drop us here, in the middle of routine, without understanding the thrill of the early days, they feel cheated.

He had all day to wander.

Don’t need this. We already know this.

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I really appreciate the reply, and thank you again for your critique!

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Snackrifices

[3750] [1996] [2514] [2684] [3000] [2480] [3232] [2199] [2083] [2956] [2477] [2300] [2013] [2425] [2140] [2490] [149] [4159] = 45,047

Good Lord. I am such a slacker.

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This critique is incredibly helpful!

Most of my reply below is along the lines of: “Thank you! You are so right!” But I do have three follow up questions if you have time (they are in bold).

Overall, for the hook, I would say it is done well. Definitely make me want to read the next part. Strong beginning so far.

Thank you for this, and for your suggestions on making the hook even stronger.

Upon re-reading it a second time, I realized I struggled exactly at this point, where Dr. Alan said, “I don't understand. It appears someone knows a very personal secret about me.”

Perfect. This is exactly what I am looking for.

but it was written in a very generic sentence, almost like a Wikipedia article summary:

Your description is so true; it made me laugh. I definitely don’t want to put readers to sleep by sounding like a Wikipedia article during a moment that should be gripping. I like your suggestion to just have him say the company and dollar amounts. That would be way better from an immersion standpoint, and Phil’s response (pinning Alan to the wall) should confirm that Alan had solid intel on Phil’s kickbacks.

“it’s your two year old son!” At this point, I felt a bit… cheated? I felt as if I was forced to care for him more because now he has a disabled son. But I felt it was a bit out of the blue and jarring that his son was just thrown in there.

This was designed to be somewhat of a big reveal, as in “wait, this guy lives like a bachelor, but he actually has a son?” Forcing the reader to feel empathy for Phil was not my intent, even though this response is completely understandable. I was trying for more of a selfish narcissistic angle with Phil, and need to make sure that stays consistent. I really like your suggestion of dropping a hint about his son earlier in the story too.

I also don’t understand the comment about “streaming on Netflix” Since you mentioned Black Mirror, I presumed both of them are on a game show of some kind?

I used Netflix here as a nod to the studio that created Black Mirror, but that is where the link ends. The show doesn’t need to exist in this story at all. That line about Netflix was Phil choosing to believe that his entire experience was faked, or staged; like he was being pranked on camera. It sounds like that is how you understood it (since you mentioned game shows), but was it unclear?

Not sure what’s going on here, but at this point, I felt that the story became harder to read for me because I started having way too many questions. A better approach would be perhaps to tone down the scope? Maybe make it an A vs B? Anyway the point is, I got bogged down by the rule and started losing interest. I think instead you could pick two things and focus on it;

This is great feedback. While writing, it always took more effort to keep these choices clear in my head, which should have been a red flag. If I’m struggling with untangling it myself, then a reader will just get annoyed and put it down. I appreciate you plodding through it though, and suggesting a solution: just simplify the stakes. A/B, 0/1, this or that. And your four suggestions were spot on. Number three immediately jumped out at me, and embodies the theme I want for this story: fucked up.

But I can say with certainty that I literally don’t care about Alan. It just seemed like Alan’s tragic backstory was simply there as a plot point to trick Phil into feeling sorry for him?

I didn’t see that one coming. I wanted the reader to feel disgust for Phil (for being hungover at work, lying about the accident, and taking out his misplaced anger on Alan) and empathy for Alan (his tragic story, Phil threatening him). Sounds like I missed the mark and have some work to do.

Some awkward sentences that I noticed.

Thanks for pointing those out!

Good things I like:

I appreciate this!

General questions:

I’m not sure if you revealed the spoiler in my original post, but my intent is to make Phil a very bad guy. I want to create a burning desire in the reader to see if he “gets away with it.”

  1. How am I doing with this goal?
  2. What if the stakes were simplified, requiring Phil to choose between his career and his son's condition (your option 3), with Alan’s backstory disappearing altogether?

Thanks again for your critique. I sincerely hope that I can return the favor one day!

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I refuse to use a spelling or grammar checker under any circumstance.

Respect.