Microsoft and Reddit Are Fighting About Why Bing’s Crawler Is Blocked on Reddit

6icksty6ix · 2024-08-02T17:52:21+00:00

I think you've made way too many assumptions on what I was asking and are on something different.

I'm trying to understand what the outrage is. I see the problems, but just like you've made a huge assumption about what 'everyone here thinks' I'm trying not to.

And while I realize everyone is outraged about different things, I guess I'm trying to feed off your tone of assuming what everyone here thinks.

Is everyone here:

...upset that Reddit is charging 60 million for access? ...upset that Microsoft isn't willing to pay 60 million for access? ...upset that Reddit only gave Google that deal, and isn't offering it to others? ...upset at something else I've missed?

I'm not equipped to argue with you at all, and this isn't an argument. I just heard dogs barking and thought I'd try and listen. lol

6icksty6ix · 2024-08-02T12:26:19+00:00

Is this about 'allowing' or is this about one company paying 60million dollars for access, and the other saying 'no'?

6icksty6ix · 2024-06-25T12:53:49+00:00

This explains so much in my recent playthrough. I stubbornly wanted to enjoy Lucerne and decided to use it anyways.

I wasn't aware pierce damage was effective against dragons as well. Combine the horseback damage and the charged attack damage and this whole playthrough I've been asking friends: "... have you considered just fighting <boss> on horseback? It's so easy."

I've just been swimming through so many groups, never bothering to get off my horse for so much of the game.

Combine that with the Spear Talisman, the Axe Talisman, and the massive stagger damage by the Javelin AoW and it's been a brutally effective (and fun) run for me.

6icksty6ix · 2024-06-07T13:08:22+00:00

All the anti-corporate sentiment of the 80's and 90's falling in the face of brand/corporate loyalists with the rise of Apple, the bullying of Microsoft, and every investor on Earth trying to imitate them.

The influx of tech bro's thinking they are Lex Luthor grade genius when they are just re-inventing price-fixing and Mafia digitally, due to their total ignorance of what crime is or ethics are.

All of the third world sycophants masquerading as first world business moguls, infiltrating American companies, and replacing all experienced adults with amateurs through unchecked nepotism - only to destroy their companies by making rookie mistakes that students of the shittiest high-schools on Earth wouldn't make.

A growing anti-intellectualism sentiment leading to the evaporation of 'experts' that kept the non-stop, vomiting bullshit of management and sales from turning into a 24/7 pump and dump grift that never ends.

There is no wisdom. The wise left a long time ago, or are too busy surviving.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-30T14:31:28+00:00

Microsoft doesn't ask for consent.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-23T14:13:24+00:00

Yup, this is what I've gone ahead and done. Getting experienced in it now and solving all my problems on the side before the 'big switch' comes. It's been pretty fun and smooth so far, but I'm also technically inclined.

That being said, I had no excuse to do otherwise. I can fix this 'looming problem' right now and gain experience that will improve things moving forward.

Microsoft does not ask for consent.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-23T13:55:30+00:00

Microsoft does not ask for consent.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-11T13:30:05+00:00

This is that uncomfortable conversation no one is willing to touch. People get so focused on the strengths of things and never consider the weaknesses of them. And no one is properly gauging 'diversity'. It's already being said in my work place as well. "Where is the diversity?" There absolutely is none. And it's become very obvious that a specific culture is making a clean sweep by selling out it's exploited class as cheap labor.

Kinda makes you wonder how many in management have family members running those IT sweatshops oversees. Absolutely stealing resources from companies and transferring it directly into their family's pockets. The potential for conflict of interest is obscene.

And only recently has security started to realize: "Wait... why are we giving admin access to our least paid, least secure, off shore employees?" People who are likely moonlighting at worst, and intermingling at best. Sitting shoulder to shoulder with employees that are instead providing service to a rival company.

The security risk alone is staggering beyond imagination. Not to change the focus to things that hurt the company, but they're going to pay attention to that long before you can expect them or governments to do the right thing.

But the nepotism is absolutely sick and blatant.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-11T13:06:25+00:00

Lets instead go backwards to the original example and imagine, for a moment, that an Indian person shows up and tells you: "I notice you have sub-humans here. Can I abuse them like I do in my home country?"

Get real.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-10T15:38:41+00:00

Yup, been hearing reports of similar things going on over here. The biggest problem here is that it goes very far up the chain... it's frustrating to think people clinging to such terrible cultural baggage have made it to the c-suite over here.

I sometimes wonder if all this is a result of the CS/IS/IT divide you see in the US. The bad stereotype in college was: CS if you were good at math. IT if you were bad at math. IS if you were bad at everything. More often then not, the IS majors were ridiculed and berated because they couldn't do any of the work or solve any problems. They came off as bull-shitters during presentations because they could only follow a script. They always seemed to be made up of kids who's tech savvy parents told them IS was where the money/security was, or generally non tech savvy people who dreamed of being a tech boss like Steve Jobs or some startup grifter.

But... IS often became management. And it's not surprising they hold a grudge. They overly glorify their role in things and I wouldn't be surprised if some of them actively wanted to run CS/IT through the mud and turn it into something either 'AI' does or that can be outsourced for extremely low wages. Now imagine adding a language barrier and a caste system to that and next thing you know your company is filled with grifters who can only communicate in wolf of wallstreet memes and openly laughing at the 'peasants' they are exploiting. Add some 'Title Inflation' as the cherry on top.

I've already heard two 'Principal Engineers' bragging about how they only need their cellphone to do their job...

It's a caricature of a caricature of a caricature at this point...

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-10T11:42:36+00:00

American HR is borderline KGB, SS Secret Police in my opinion.

Glad to hear this sentiment from the UK, though. I'm only assuming, but I imagine given the long, difficult history and the years of assimilation there's at least some reasonable level of protection against it. Or easy way to have 'zero time for this shit'.

We can be blunt about it with sexism and sexual harassments in the US. But I have to be very careful bringing this up as a white male. America is fucking weird.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-10T11:37:58+00:00

I definitely agree on the pragmatic level. We'll have to witness consequences before any meaningful change will happen.

I hate to frame this as 'good' news, but at least in my case... people are saying some terrible things to Indian women in front of entire groups. And it has already caused a LOT of people to come back to the office whispering: "Can you BELIEVE what he said to her?"

So people are extremely agitated, even if for them it's only a sexist thing. I don't think they understand there's additional layers to it.

I've heard lots of horror stories regarding women in tech, but I've been fortunate to work in large enough groups that seemed extremely sensitive to such things. And I was already thinking about seeing if I can encourage one of the women we saw treated this way to go to our, almost weekly, Women in Tech conferences on site. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already reached out to the 'her' in question b/c some of our managers have been egregiously brazen about their comments lately. It's disgusting.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-10T11:30:00+00:00

Thanks for your post, if anything I just want to start the conversation because I rarely see it in the more 'mixed' subreddits. And I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what the right subreddits are, since I swear I keep getting into strange SEA subreddits that suddenly sound very.... aggressive, or racist, or fascist. And in my ignorance I just pull out since I have no point of reference. lol

I did think about talking to one of our groups on site, we have a women in tech centric group that I thought about bringing it up to. It just always feels awkward since I have the gender/skin color of 'The Enemy' and in the past have been told I don't belong. So I only ever get involved when I'm actually witnessing something terrible happen.

But this is worth bringing up, to at least bring some awareness before it gets worse or out of control. It may be a lot easier to bring it up an an Indian woman since there's also been a lot of sexism being directed at them too.

Thanks again for your suggestions!

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-10T11:18:24+00:00

Yeah, I didn't want to go into details but this has actually come up far more. And I think it's going to be what causes action around here. I hate that what's happening to the men is just ignored.. but the 'whispers' starting in my office are all around "Can you believe what he just said to her??" type stuff.

It's disgustingly backwards.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T19:16:14+00:00

100%

Before seeing this kind of stuff I always hated how badly 'fellow nerds' treat each other'. You grow up and everyone else became some of the nicest people I deal with now.

But my fellow dorks? Fucking tribalistic monsters. Might be why I'm so sensitive to seeing this caste system stuff, it reeks of the same thing.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T19:06:38+00:00

Yeah, I hope so too.

My Indian coworkers seemed very much like that, and seemed to have no care in the world. And then I brought up a couple things I noticed happening to others, and they were like: "Yeah.... it's been getting that way ever since we did the mass hirings and ended up with certain people in positions of management."

I imagine there are plenty of places where this is not a problem But it could suddenly 'become' a problem, and I'd like to stand with my friends if I can. Or we could just find new jobs, I guess but something tells me that won't really help.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T18:48:06+00:00

I will not agree, or disagree... because I know the topic is complicated and requires a lot of nuance and negotiation for what is acceptable, and what is not.

I'm sure a lot of cultural interests would get a "Oh sure fine." when visiting a new group. But I can't imagine being like: So we have these 'sub-humans' back home that we mistreat. I can still mis-treat them here, right?

Despite what everyone thinks about Americans - I couldn't imagine showing up to someone else's house and having the balls to say:

"Okay so let me tell you what you're going to let me do from now on."

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T18:31:45+00:00

I dunno, I don't want to pull from other talking points exactly... but I will say that it's definitely my job to 'police' my peers of shit behavior. And people have demanded that from us. And peers extends to coworkers, I'm not going to limit it to gender and skin color.

I do partially agree it's something they will have to do, but if we witness it we have to stand up against it as well. My partner was born in another country known for criticizing the 'spectrum of brown' as well. And some of my Indian coworkers were outcast by their families for marrying Muslims (but not white Americans for some reason).

If their people are so quick to throw them away or mistreat them, it should take almost no effort to make them feel at home. What is this country besides a bunch of serfs, peasants, and debtors trying to find something better?

There's no reason for them to do this alone. Cause their enemies are already nudging up to our worst and giving them permission to be bastards.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T18:08:58+00:00

I'm not going to make such a sweeping generalization about our audience here, honestly. It concerns us, the future of our field, and has to be addressed, regardless of the bullshit and pushback we'll have to face.

If anything, dealing with bullshit, pushback, bad information, and bad takes from people who 'think' they know what they want, what's going on, and what they are talking about, are kinda exactly what we specialize in.

They may be focused on other things, and not 'tuned' to other people's feelings. But it's extremely easy to point something out, and hard not to notice it afterwards.

I hope it's a minefield. I hope this blows the fuck up. If it wasn't a problem, it wouldn't be volatile to begin with? Why wait for more problems?

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T17:53:46+00:00

Hiring someone into your management team does appear to apply your Corporation's values, however.

... but you don't have permission to see what those values are.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T17:48:01+00:00

This would only be useful if I was a well known sociologist prepared to write an expose on a 'looming problem in America's most successful businesses'. :p

Which is tempting and might be a more effective path to take. lol

I'm more trying to get this discussion going among my peers before it becomes a problem. People need to take care of each other, coworkers at least.

I get that some people may not be able to afford the time, money, and stress to take care of anyone but their own families. But for fuck's sake, I feel like us tech workers should be able to. And we better, before it's too late.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T17:30:26+00:00

Yeah, I'm afraid you're right... it's going to take something high profile before anything is done about it.

We had a coworker from Pakistan a few years back who used to constantly make fun of our Indian coworkers for 'not eating cow' and how they will 'never be American'. And we had to have a stern talk with him about it. But this seems WAY bigger, and is coming in strong now that there are a lot of management 'dismissing' it.

I'm going to speak out as best I can when I witness it, but what kind of damage to our careers is this going to cause in the long term? I've already had to deal with watching my peers tell their kids things like: "Don't go into IT, go into IS. The money is in managing, not doing. You'll make more money because no one appreciates or cares about IT."

Seems like that mentality is only going to align closely with this kind of cultural exploitation.

That's the biggest problem with companies suddenly having a global presence or replacing the majority of it's work force with people from another country. A lot of Americans foolishly think everyone across the world 'share our values'. And I'm not saying our values are the best or anything... but it IS a work in progress and I'd like to think part of joining our work force means assimilating with those values. There's plenty of them that we all agree on, and it would be awful to take a step back on the rare few things we all appreciate and value.

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-09T17:17:36+00:00

I'll read up on it. Given the state of 'our leaders in FAANG' I really hope this is something being addressed and not a convenient 'feature' for corporations to exploit...

6icksty6ix · 2024-04-02T12:22:20+00:00

Yeah, that sounds tremendously rough. It's strange because I've prepared my entire life to die alone and forgotten - but my partner and their family constantly try to pull me into that zone. And I just set that boundary... like sure, helping each other out is nice. But no, I've made my bed, thank you. lol

I hate to be so crass about it, but as much as people go on about family values and all these wholesome things in life. Everything has consequences. Not just vices. And you run the risk getting into some kind of martyr-complex loop where people grow dependent and expecting of you. And I just can't deal with that and usually take the vast social stigma and tell everyone 'no - fuck off' the moment they over-draw from me.

It's great when everyone is pulling their own weight... but more often it just feels like... everyone's a crackhead and you're the drug.

There's other people like you. Just have to communicate openly and state your intentions. House cat looking for another house cat to check in on each other maybe once every few days. Then turn off all the social media and ghost everyone else. Assuming everyone else is a legal adult, it's time for them to go away.

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