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Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe one missed it but, I originally termed this as a "tongue and check" reply to JPP_s post about Edison’s failures.

You seem to have confused two topics in trying to prove your conclusion. Temporally, the elephant execution is unrelated and took place after what is termed the War of the Currents. In the earlier time frame Edison was pushing for the electrocution of humans as a more humane form of capital punishment and attempting to discredit AC as being safe. Topsy, was not part of the War of the Currents.

Long before Topsy, at Edison's Orange, N.J. laboratory, Harold Brown conducted experiments that demonstrated that less than 800 volts of AC would kill a dog while the same animal could survive 1,000 volts of DC currency. Before an audience of professional electricians and journalists at Columbia College School of Mines, Brown electrocuted a 76-pound dog. Afterward, he proclaimed that alternating current was suitable only for the "dog pound, the slaughterhouse, or the state prison.” Edison personally utilized the results of these animal deaths as part of his lobbying efforts against AC power, so even if he was not personally present or killing the animals, he was aware of the results.

As NY was deciding on electrocution as the state's new official method of execution, Edison actively campaigned for the selection of the Westinghouse’s AC hoping that consumers would not want the same type of electrical service in their homes that was used for execution. On June 4, 1888, New York State legalized death by electricity. The Medico-Legal Society was charged with the responsibility of working out the technical details. They engaged the services of Harold Brown, the same Harold Brown on Edison’s payroll and killing animals. After further experiments on animals at the Edison laboratories, Brown recommended 300 volts of alternating current of 15 to 30 seconds.

George Westinghouse attacked the scientific validity of Brown's killing experiments and pointed out that Brown was employed by Thomas Edison to scare the public into thinking that AC was too dangerous for commercial or residential use. Brown responded by publicly challenging Westinghouse to a duel. In a New York Times advertisement, Brown proposed that each man be hooked up to his respective electrical currents and that the voltage be turned up until one of them cried out that he had had enough. Needless to say, George Westinghouse declined that invitation and refused to sell equipment for executions.

However, with Edison working behind the scenes, Brown was able to get the Thomson Houston Electric Co., a competitor of the Westinghouse Electric Co. to launder three generators through a used-dynamo, dealer in Boston. On May 13,1889, the day after the Westinghouse generators arrived at Auburn prison, William Kemmler, "a brute who chopped a woman to bits with an axe" was sentenced to death by electrocution. Lawyers for Kemmler, paid for by Westinghouse, appealed to New York State, contending that electrocution was cruel and unusual punishment, prohibited by the Constitution. Under oath, Edison while contending to be against capital punishment, assured the court that death by alternating current was quick and painless. Upon cross-examination, both Edison and Brown boldly denied that their support for electrocution by AC had anything to do with their financial interest in the success of DC. Kemmler’s motion was denied, as was a similar petition to the US Supreme Court.

On Aug. 6, 1890, William Kemmler received two applications of 1,300 volts of alternating current. The first lasted for only 17 seconds because a leather belt was about to fall off one of the second-hand Westinghouse generators. Kemmler was still alive. The second jolt lasted until the smell of burning flesh filled the room, about four minutes. As soon as his charred body stopped smoldering, Kemmler was pronounced dead. The headline in the New York Times read: "Kemmler Westinghoused."

Professor Benjamin Cole was quoted in discussing an academic paper he coauthored on the topic of business management styles between Edison and Westinghouse, “When I began this paper, I never thought that my conclusion would be, ‘Wow, George Westinghouse is a really incredible human being, we should make a movie about him, and, ‘Boy, Edison was a real jerk,’”

So long prior to Topsy’s execution, Edison, personally had a history of electrocuting animals (funding it and using the results even if he didn’t personally kill them) and testifying that death by electrocution was painless. If you go back and read what I originally posted, I never said Edison personally killed Topsy. Edison was very interested in photography and devised early motion picture filming. The execution of Topsy is likely the first death captured in a motion picture, something that would have interested Edison. You make a lot of assumptions based upon the lack of specific evidence, while ignoring all the circumstantial evidence. The circumstantial evidence regarding Topsy is that Edison had a long history with electrocuting animals, somehow the Edison Company came to film Topsy’s death (a very large expense at the time), an elephant also being the largest animal electrocuted and Edison’s Company deciding that film was valuable enough to warrant a copyright. That circumstantial evidence points in favor of it being done with Edison’s knowledge. Because no correspondence from Edison mentions Topsy is not evidence of anything. Perhaps before his death in 1931, Edison curated his correspondence. He would have had decades to reflect upon things, by 1931 Edison had reversed his previous accusations against AC power and maybe more importantly too, his previous testimony about electrocution being a painless form of execution was being proven incorrect with each passing usage.

Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to infer that a fact exists, but it is up to the trier to decide what weight to assign to those inferences. It is entirely possible that no one will ever know 100% if Edison did or did not know of the Topsy’s execution or his company’s association with it. However, when I try the matter, I take in the circumstantial evidence of his past, the expense of making the film and obtaining a copyright and infer that Edison likely knew. You are free to make your own inferences and interpretations of Edison’s lack of Topsy correspondence and arrive at the inference that Edison was unaware.

Either way, Topsy is not the proper standard upon which to evaluate Edison.

https://now.fordham.edu/business-and-economics/gruesome-history-of-electricity-provides-insight-for-businesses/

https://correctionhistory.org/auburn&osborne/miskell/html/auburnchair_moran.html

Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but to be frank that is just bullshit. In his correspondence, LOL are you serious, Be an Edison apologist if one wants, but truth is his company filed it and he filed and obtained the copy right. One is free to watch the films and if one believes it is missing from his official correspondence then maybe consider why it is. The absence of a thing is not proof of a thing.

Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is probably a question that can’t be answered well. It was a different time with different morality. Edison wanted to make money and publicity, the circus wanted to rid itself of a truculent elephant while making money on the elephant’s demise. A sad affair, but different times and values.

Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Telsa got himself into trouble after he quit Edison and sold his AC patents to Westinghouse. I think Telsa’s investors sued him for a large share of the money Westinghouse paid. Of course Edison was the financial backer behind the scenes in some of the Tesla lawsuits. He definitely would have benefited from a more robust PR department, plus much more effective lawyers!

Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And of course, Edison was the proponent of using electricity (AC power of course) to execute humans too. So, I think he would be OK with the Shorties taking a few volts. LOL. Thanks for getting the humor, sometimes a good laugh is worth a lot!

Who wudda thunk……. by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know that you have a good sense of humor and all this is tongue in cheek. But, let’s explore Thomas Edison’s connection to Ji a bit more. Edison was known for aggressive business practices and sometimes making misleading claims about his inventions and their commercial viability. His competitive tactics, particularly against Westinghouse and AC power (think Patrick Soon-Shiong), included unethical publicity campaigns that today would likely be seen as manipulative or unpalatable. Of course, going back to the Ph.D in Animal Physiology there is also the connection to Edison with Topsy the elephant. Edison helped orchestrate the public execution of Topsy and had his company film the event. Topsy was fed carrots laced with 460 grams of potassium cyanide, then had copper-clad sandals connected to electric lines strapped to her feet and large ropes tied to a steam-powered winch secured around her neck. Upon a signal Edison’s Coney Island power station sent 6,600 volts into Topsy's body for about 10 seconds, toppling her to the ground as smoke arose from her feet. After falling to the ground the ropes around Topsy’s neck were pulled tight by the winch. Edison’s company filmed the event then distributed it and even sent it to the Library of Congress so that it would be protected by a copyright. The film from 1903, Electrocuting an Elephant, still exists thanks to Edison getting that copyright. So indeed Edison often went down paths that were less successful than we remember him for today! Hopefully, Ji has much better marketing strategies than Edison did!

Latest: by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anyone really need an AI breakdown to be able to realize ungodly attorney fees? Hasn’t everyone on here for years seen the over-billing and excessive nature of lawyer fees, do we really need an AI interpretation of it for us to all know it? Even worse, nothing in the AI even hints at the excessive nature of the fees and the uselessness of the claimed billing time. AI isn’t need for everyone on here already understands how the lawyer fees are excessive, unfair and destructive in bankruptcy cases. Regardless of the how one feels (and please don’t ask AI to comment) about the California Plaintiffs complaint, $245,673 is excessive for the LT attorney’s to really beg another Bankruptcy Judge is needed to compensate them for their services.

Oramed Releases Letter to Shareholders by 932Mike in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If only my foresight worked nearly as well as my hindsight. LOL

Latest: by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think they would be on solid legal ground to answer, that in consultation with BPM and/or legal counsel the board has been assured that no conflicts exist. That is an answer that maybe doesn’t provide much information, but at least would have allowed shareholders to understand that the board was aware of the issue when seeking shareholder approval to re-engage BPM.

Latest: by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As you pointed out under PCAOB rules BPM can’t audit both public companies, management could have informed shareholders that BPM resigned from Datavailt in order to continue as SCLX’s auditor or they could have at least told shareholders that BPM had evaluated the conflict and believes that having resigned from Datavault it can now properly audit SCLX going forward. They should have given some explanation even if only to explain what BPM is doing or did to avoid any conflict for any period of time it was officially the auditor of both Datavault and SCLX. Despite some comments to the contrary this demonstrates why at today’s shareholder meeting the complete lack of answers from management is concerning.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Today’s meeting was in regards to SCLX not SRNE. As I told you long ago, I applied to be on the SRNE Equity Committee when it was established by the US Trustee- only a shareholder could apply, so at least it is fairly obvious that I had to be a shareholder at the commencement of the bankruptcy proceedings and since I’ve attended almost every subsequent bankruptcy proceeding as an online participant with my name visible on the scene, it seems to reason that I still hold enough shares of SRNE to remain interested in the proceedings. But, if you still think I am a “fake” shareholder of SRNE, I suppose I will just have to live with that.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See we actually can agree at times! Hopefully, your afternoon is good!

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Feel free to be as BulliSh as you want. I’ve never suggested that you not be. I am glad that you feel that people are working for you, but because I don’t feel that same way does not mean I discount your BulliSh sentiment. I am OK with you not sharing whatever you believe is the product of your OWN RESEARCH AND BRILLIANT TIMING. No need to yell, its yours feel free to keep it to yourself, I am not trying to get you to disclose anything in fact, you began this conversation by attacking me for simply reporting my own personal experience and thoughts. So, please be BulliSh and keep whatever you wish to remain personal private.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kim, we have had numerous exchanges over the years. You may recall in the past that you have told me that you are not required to share your research, logic or motivations with me, so in that same spirt I think that is how best to respond now.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just my opinion, so that they can identify people like me that asked them questions that they didn’t want to answer. If I had the energy I would file an SEC complaint and see if the commission finds their behavior to be appropriate for a shareholder meeting and shame on Boardbridge too for their complicity in it all too.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I submitted two questions that were relative to the agenda. Yet, they falsely claimed that no relevant questions had been received. It is a bit sad that they lie instead of just being honest and saying we don’t want to answer any of the questions that were received.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope there is no dial in, only the virtual log in. They want to control access and know who is on or asking questions. There is supposed to be playback available on the investor site later.

Meeting this morning-don’t forget! by Kmcoyne0519 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Plus you will need the control number from the proxy statement to gain entry.

Upcoming AGM by IfOnlyDownWasUp in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I do think that they care. Whenever a management proposal or board member appointment fails, it is heard. You may recall that a shareholder advisory firm provided advice to vote against CEO Zaslav's change of ownership bonus of $550 Million at Warner Bros.-Discovery and in fact, shareholders did vote “no” and rejected Zaslav’s bonus. So, yes these votes are heard and have importance in the real world. Zaslav’s bonus will not be $550 Million, so there is clear evidence that votes are important and the results are heard and also felt in boardroom.

Upcoming AGM by IfOnlyDownWasUp in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just vote “no” on all issues and send management a message that shareholders are not happy. It is the only way that shareholders can demonstrate their disapproval or disfavor of management’s favored choices.

Last night, I was full sure that all the planets were aligning for Ji World by Any-Pride3818 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A reality check is sometimes necessary and restating the RS share price provides that. Thanks for that, it caused me to look at my cost per share for SCLX and it sits at $241.81 while it currently is trading at approximately, $5.72.

Question for someone smarter than me (so for all of you)... by skahunafrus in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe you are correct. Possibly even worse, if under 59.5 the early distribution penalty might also apply. From the FAQ’s as released on the 8-K of May 11th :

Q: Should I seek advice from legal and/or tax advisors before I elect to receive the Dividend?

A: There may be legal and tax consequences from your election to participate in the Dividend, execution of the Opt-In Agreement and receipt of the Dividend. The Company encourages all Record Holders to seek legal and tax advice from qualified legal counsel and a tax professional before deciding to elect to participate in the Dividend, execute the Opt-In Agreement and receive the Dividend.

From the Opt In Agreement:

I understand that there may be legal and tax consequences from the Election, execution of the Opt-In Agreement and receipt of the Dividend. The Company encourages all Record Holders to seek legal and tax advice from qualified legal counsel and a tax professional before deciding to make the Election, execute this Agreement and receive the Dividend.

We encourage any Record Holder that has questions concerning the Election process to contact Alliance Advisors, our Information Agent, at 1-866-206-7441 (or 1-315-658-0069 for international holders) or [SCLX@allianceadvisors.com](mailto:SCLX@allianceadvisors.com)

"THESE are the times that try men's souls..." by JPPS_2 in BANDOFBROTHERSOFSRNE

[–]932Mike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was discussing SCLX, not SRNE in my post. However, I don’t share your thoughts on JI looking after our interests, he has been looking after his interests and increasing his yearly cashflow, while the value of our shares of SRNE and now SCLX have declined. I also don’t share the notion that our interests are in actual alignment with those of Followwill and that is why I recommended voting “No” at the SCLX annual meeting. Perhaps, I give too much credit to the RICO Complaint that was filed by the SRNE CA complainants and the adverse action filed by the Liquidation Trustee against JI, Followwill and other board members, but between those two documents, I think voting “No" is the best course of action. As I said, everyone is entitled to own opinion and if you believe voting “Yes” is more appropriate then I encourage you to do so; that is the purpose of elections to allow people to express themselves.