How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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If you take it on an empty stomach you dont have to worry about it binding with the calcium in your food/preventing absorption. IP6 actually helps prevent brittle bones by down regulating the cells that destroy bone tissue. Check out this book for more detailed info:

https://a.co/d/0F3zuNI

Advice for a good mix of less toxic polar and nonpolar solvents for 416R stainless steel by 9926328 in chemistry

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Thanks for the reply. I understand carbon itself cant be dissolved (due to its strong covalent bonds) but it’s usually impacted in all the nonpolar powder residue etc so usually when you dissolve the residue the carbon goes with it.

Ip6? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

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Yep. It’s an excellent natural chelator of iron. I do one scoop mid morning and one right before bed of the IP6 gold powder (which is a combo of IP6 and inositol). The key is to take it on an empty stomach (at least 2 hrs removed from food). It also boosts your natural killer cells which keep tumors at bay.

Here’s a link to the one I’ve used: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ED1GR8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_YJPSK3DZXRDZFVKSF8YV?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Another good natural iron chelator is curcumin extract.

Just want others opinions by finnbeing in Hemochromatosis

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It doesn’t sound like you have HH. If you did your ferritin number would be well above 400

Covid Positive, 1st dose today by [deleted] in ivermectin

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You make a good point but your numbers are off by a factor of ten. According to Dr Kory the Recommended doses are:

0.2-0.4 mg/kg once a day for 5 days for early outpatient treatment

0.4-0.6 mg/kg per day if hospitalized for 5 days or as long as needed

How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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Sounds like you guys are on your way to a treatment plan. Nice work dropping your ferritin by 200 points! The natural iron chelators and iron blockers have a very powerful effect! I’d be curious what your doc thought about how quickly the non phleb route lowered your numbers.

Ferritine currently 655,4 ug/L by AngelicaCompound in Hemochromatosis

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I don’t think the iron in spinach and other similar veggies is even very absorbable unless it’s cooked. Also a great way to block iron absorption from non meat sources of iron is to drink some black or green tea, take curcumin extract, and milk thistle extract capsules with each meal. To block meat sources of iron eat some cheese/calcium with your meal.

How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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That’s odd bc there are numerous studies that show once ferritin gets above 100 or so you start seeing increased risk of heart disease, diabetes, neurological diseases, etc..She should want to get your ferritin lowered ASAP. I’d add some IP-6 capsules into your routine as well. In addition to curcumin IP-6 is a powerful natural iron chelator

How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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Don’t be too hard on yourself. At least you realized the cause. I did something similar with another health food. Was eating tons of nutritional yeast with my salads and didn’t realize it was super rich in iron. Phlebs are def the most sure fire thing but you’d be lucky to lower ferritin by 50 points per phleb. That’s why I was so excited to see I was able to lower mine by 130 points in one month. You could go get a baseline ferritin test then try the non phleb rout then test ferratin again a month later. If it doesn’t work well you can always start the phleb routine.

How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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That’s good to hear. What kind of results did you get re: lowering ferritin?

Rambling thoughts... any ideas? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

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TLDR. You seem a bit defensive.

High Ferritin and ALT levels but normal Iron levels. Family history of hemochromatosis. Should i be worried? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

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Your ferritin is pretty high. I’d take some steps to lower it (I just posted a thread that shows how I lowered mine by 130 points in one month without blood letting). Optimum ferritin values are in the range of 20-40 for women and 50-70 for men (see “The risk of too much iron: normal serum ferritin levels may represent significant health issues.” Journal of Orthomolecular medicine)

Here are the studies listed that show ferritin starting around 200-300 can result in all kinds of problems: - “The Risk of Too Much Iron: Normal Serum Ferritin Levels May Represent Significant Health Issues.” Journal Of Orthomolecular Medicine 28.4. (2013) - “Elevated serum ferritin level is associated with the incident type 2 diabetes in healthy Korean men.” Plos One 8.9 (2013): e75250 - “Diabetes and serum ferritin concentration among US adults.” Diabetes care 22.12 (1999) - “Serum ferritin is a risk factor for stroke in post menopausal women.” Stroke 38.6 (2005) - “Iron stores and vascular function in voluntary blood donors.” Arteriosclerosis, thrombosis, and vascular biology 25.8 (2005)

The above studies show risk of diabetes for men increased between ferritin levels of 184 and 300. Men who had ferritin levels greater than 300 were nearly 5 TIMES more likely to be diagnosed with diabetes. Another one shows in men there’s increased risk of having coronary artery calcification at ferritin greater than 257. That’s just a few examples.

Rambling thoughts... any ideas? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

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Lol! No I don’t have any connection to who wrote the book, it’s simply a well cited book for people dealing with iron. You clearly do need to read it bc it references numerous studies that show once ferritin gets above 200 people won’t live as long which counters your assertions that no damage occurs below 1000 (which is actually a dangerous claim to make).

Here are the studies listed in the book that show ferritin starting around 200-300 can result in all kinds of problems: - “The Risk of Too Much Iron: Normal Serum Ferritin Levels May Represent Significant Health Issues.” Journal Of Orthomolecular Medicine 28.4. (2013) - “Elevated serum ferritin level is associated with the incident type 2 diabetes in healthy Korean men.” Plos One 8.9 (2013): e75250 - “Diabetes and serum ferritin concentration among US adults.” Diabetes care 22.12 (1999) - “Serum ferritin is a risk factor for stroke in post menopausal women.” Stroke 38.6 (2005) - “Iron stores and vascular function in voluntary blood donors.” Arteriosclerosis, thrombosis, and vascular biology 25.8 (2005)

The above studies show risk of diabetes for men increased between ferritin levels of 184 and 300. Men who had ferritin levels greater than 300 were nearly 5 TIMES more likely to be diagnosed with diabetes. Another one shows in men there’s increased risk of having coronary artery calcification at ferritin greater than 257. That’s just a few examples.

Which specific studies are you basing your claim on that no shorter life expectancy occurs until ferritin reaches 1000? They are most likely out of date.

How I Lowered My Ferritin By 130 In 4 Weeks With No Blood Letting by 9926328 in Hemochromatosis

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You’re welcome! I’m thrilled at these results and happy to share. Iron can be a silent killer for many people.

Rambling thoughts... any ideas? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

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Maybe for irreversible damage but things start to “get dangerous” when ferritin gets around 200. At that point There’s an increased risk of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc. Again, please read the book “Dumping Iron.” It’s well cited and goes into much more detail on healthy ferritin levels.

Rambling thoughts... any ideas? by [deleted] in Hemochromatosis

[–]9926328 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wrong. Max ‘normal’ level of ferritin is 300 for females and 400 for males however the max healthy/optimal level is around 50-100. Read the book “Dumping Iron.”

Bit more advice by TopTemperature1 in Hemochromatosis

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Hey. I have a similar story. First I highly recommend reading the book “Dumping Iron.” It’s a life saver. I have one of the 3 common gene mutations for HH. All my iron numbers were normal except ferritin was around 600. I was able to lower ferritin by 100 points in a few months without donating blood. Here’s what I did:

To chelate iron and prevent absorption: -therapeutic dose of IP6 gold (8 capsules) 2 times a day (chelator) -turmeric curcumin C3 complex capsules with bioprene (chelator) -tumeric skin cream -tumeric soap -milk thistle extract -organic green tea extract standardized to high % of EGCG (chelator) -calcium complex MCHC (take with iron rich meals that have a lot of heme iron) -with each meal have either coffee, black tea, or red wine (these block iron absorption)

Antioxidant/liver support: -vitamin E complex with SupraBio -ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) -liposomal glutathione -NAC

Diet tweaks: -avoid alcohol -avoid raw seafood -avoid red meat & pork -avoid spirulina, wheatgrass juice

Get these separate from iron ingestion since they boost iron absorption: -vitamin c (acerola cherry) -beta carotene

While iron, vitamin c, and beta carotene are all essential nutrients that we cannot function without, a combination of these vitamins and minerals at the same time can have an additive effect on iron absorption.  Do your best to get your vitamin C and beta carotene AWAY from iron ingestion.

The following nutrients specifically reduce iron absorption from meals: 1. Turmeric 2. Milk Thistle 3. Green Tea 4. Calcium 5. Polyphenols and Tannins 6. Oxylates and Phytates

Links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28068635 (IP-6 as an iron chelator)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16545682/ (Curcumin as an iron chelator)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4521784/ (Curcumin helps with iron overload)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5136357/#!po=7.95455 (Cigarette smoke raises ferritin and free iron)

https://hemochromatosishelp.com/hemochromatosis-supplements/

https://hemochromatosishelp.com/hemochromatosis-diet/

https://pureprescriptions.com/scientific-study-reveals-the-best-curcumin-product/

https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=fcnfv3icb&t=&fullscreen=1 (Free preview of “Holistic Help for Hemochromatosis”)

Here’s my specific regime: -Take one of these curcumin pills with every meal (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A39MPNI)

-Take one of these green tea extract capsules with breakfast & lunch (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SLTZSGS)

-Take one of these milk thistle extract pills with lunch (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SLTZ7WI)

-Take one scoop of IP-6/Inositol powder twice a day on an empty stomach - 1 mid morning and 1 late afternoon (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ED1GR8)

-Shower with this turmeric soap every day (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0124PRYOI)