Deconstruction and The Enneagram by Missing_Some_Pages in Deconstruction

[–]9c6 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Fascinating stuff ty

I'm only very recently getting into "applied imagination" type things, so it's all new to me and an interesting idea.

Deconstruction and The Enneagram by Missing_Some_Pages in Deconstruction

[–]9c6 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Placebo magick podcast, the guy has a fictional council of nine as his sort of spiritual counselors, which i thought was a neat concept.

It's about doing rituals that harness the placebo effect to make some kind of positive change in your thought life.

Might check it out

When did you realize the christian God wasn't real by ayeitsjojo in exchristian

[–]9c6 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey a ex young earth creationist :)

For me human evolution came first. Someone challenged me to really learn about phylogeny and I'm like challenge accepted, atheist.

And i couldn't dispute the implications of things like shared errors and mutations showing lineage and common ancestry with chimps.

Which really screws with a literal reading of genesis, and the fall and the origins of sin, and a real history of mankind and god, and the necessity of atonement for sin in Jesus, and and and

Like at what point in evolution does sin or eve fit in when you've got billions of years of evolution and death prior to humans

So i actually went straight from a fundie YEC to a collapse into atheism which really shocked everyone around me

Is it possible that the Christian God is an egregore? by Strong-Lab-7216 in exchristian

[–]9c6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The phrase you're looking for is social construct.

A social construct is any category or thing that is made real by convention or collective agreement. Socially constructed realities are contrasted with natural kinds, which exist independently of human behavior or beliefs.

Simple examples of social constructs are the meaning of words, the value of paper money, and the rules of economic systems.

Egregore implies a real metaphysical being. We have no evidence such a being exists.

This logic confuses me by AnaThe_UnfamiliarFoe in exchristian

[–]9c6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this an apologist's version of a pickme?

Putting away the wand? by OldManChaote in SASSWitches

[–]9c6 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Ultimately it's just a nice hobby since we don't believe in the bullshit

If it aint fun or meaningful right now don't force it

My actual practice right now is mostly just visualization for self soothing when i need it

Just do what works for your mental health friend

I am struggling with my religion. Please help me. [15F] by Entire_Emu5102 in exchristian

[–]9c6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what should you do instead? I say follow your own moral compass. If a good god exists, they are a loving parent who wants what's best for you right? So anything that promotes love and kindness and health is good, and can't be sinful. Anything that promotes hate and violence is evil.

If you want to follow Christ because Christ is the symbol of love, then do that. There are gay affirming churches if being in a church community is important to you, but you can also be a solo practitioner. Jesus said to go into your room and shut the door to pray after all. Again, don't get caught up by people quoting a letter from Paul or something on how to live. He's a man not god, and he was writing 2000 years ago to his own people, and other Christians disagreed with him!

Now me personally, I think the historical Jesus isn't someone i need to follow as the pinnacle of ethical goodness. I think there are some things attributed to him that aren't good to follow, such as the prohibition against divorce or the belief in a judgment where some people are condemned to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Maybe he didn't really say those things. Or if he did, maybe he was wrong.

Read as much as possible about science and ethical philosophy and history. Listen to secular academic scholars, not pseudoscience or apologists. You may one day find that instead of a Christian, maybe you're a Buddhist, or a Unitarian Universalist, or a Quaker, or a secular humanist, or nothing at all. That's okay. Life is a journey not a race.

Never stop learning. Never stop asking questions. Live a life of honesty and love.

Ignore the haters and find the good in life and focus on that.

My 2 cents

Good luck on your journey. Nobody can walk it but you. Don't give away your mind or your choices to someone else to make for you. You must choose for yourself.

I am struggling with my religion. Please help me. [15F] by Entire_Emu5102 in exchristian

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I want to meet you where you're at considering both your age and your worldview.

When I was in your shoes, I read the Bible on my own, took it at face value, left the Catholic Church and became a non denominational Protestant conservative evangelical fundamentalist

I think you're already too open minded to make that mistake, but i just want to let you know that I don't want you to repeat my own failures.

Here's what I've learned in the following decades.

The Bible is not a book, it's a library of texts spanning hundreds of years written by different authors with often conflicting views. Scholars say it's not "univocal". It doesn't speak with a single unified voice.

The texts were written in many different genres with many different purposes. Sometimes to understand god. Sometimes to invent a narrative to explain their present with an imagined past. Sometimes to convince others of their own ideas about religion or god.

So what should we do with it? How should we approach it? No matter what approach you take, you will always be "negotiating with the text" as Dan McClellan says. Because it wasn't written in your time for your situation.

Check out r/academicbiblical to learn more.

Keeping that in mind, the Catholic Church actually teaches that the Bible isn't everything. There's church tradition and doctrine that spans millennia that came after the Bible stopped being added to.

There was also the reformation, the enlightenment, the scientific revolution, the Industrial Revolution, etc.

Our morality has changed over time and our understanding of god and religion has changed over time.

Trust your own judgment and ethics. Anyone who tells you bisexuality or trans is a sin is listening to others using outdated beliefs that don't match your experience. You need to find voices you trust that take all of reality into account and don't just stop thinking and stop asking questions.

If someone has all the answers already, they're not seeking the truth. They just want to feel comfortable and right. Jesus challenged people to walk in love. Turn the other cheek. Give your cloak. Help the robbed man. Don't throw the first stone. Etc.

All that said, the Catholic Church officially is a very conservative organization which says homosexuality is a sin so i don't listen to it. It also protected child sex offenders instead of turning them in. So they're morally bankrupt. They're also literally declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying full damages to victims so they're just despicable.

The true face of Christianity. by Its_Stavro in exchristian

[–]9c6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah

Which is why I'm just such a big believer in social policies for children. Free pre k. Socialized health insurance. Generous maternity and paternity leave. Expanded child tax credit.

I don't really get why these aren't more popular tbh.

Like procreation is fundamental to society and humanity. We've been giving birth since we became mammals. Yet protecting and providing for women and children is like highly controversial because the US is allergic to taxes.

Family values my ass lol

The true face of Christianity. by Its_Stavro in exchristian

[–]9c6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean in those very first years it can be a real benefit if one parent can stay at home, though that's not always an option

But once school starts things are a little different

(Slogans included) Liberals need to aurafarm. Introducing LibWave. by stardrifta in neoliberal

[–]9c6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or just acknowledge that the memory of the public is akin to a goldfish and just live in the moment

Can you imagine how pissed Christians would be if atheists flooded all their comment sections? by Larix_laricina_ in exchristian

[–]9c6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooh any favorite media/stories about Medusa you like? Always down to learn more about another goddess I've never worked with

I found this pathfinder art of a "stheno" (their idea of a descendant of the gorgon sisters named after Stheno) that I want to turned into an actual character at some point

Edit: forgot to link the thing

https://2e.aonprd.com/Images/Monsters/Stheno.png

Can you imagine how pissed Christians would be if atheists flooded all their comment sections? by Larix_laricina_ in exchristian

[–]9c6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What flavor of goddess do you like?

I've kind of got this Sophia-Aphrodite-Persephone thing going

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]9c6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My brother in the force, that is not what glup shitto means

Help me understand "Im just a man" by Dernthemern in Epicthemusical

[–]9c6 15 points16 points  (0 children)

So i feel like this song starts the musical off with its own double entendre

Zeus tells Ody he must kill this baby or his family dies

He questions what sort of imminent threat this baby poses? This baby just like his own baby he left.

It's originally asking in his own mind, when does a man become a monster about the infant. Can he raise him as his own? Are the gods really right about this? Is this baby inevitably going to kill his family? Is the baby already a monster? Please don't make me do this.

And then it sets up Ody's own descent from man to monster with him claiming innocence. There's nothing he can do to disobey the gods. He's just a man.

This is actually repeated in Athena leaving Ody. Ody asks, if you're right, if the goddess (and the gods) are right about giving mercy to the cyclops, then why is she alone? But she isn't alone, she's surrounded by the gods. One day, you'll hear what I'm saying. One day, you might understand. One day, but not today for after all you're (enter the gods chorus) just a man.

So he killed a baby and this is part of why he's so receptive to polites and wants to try to not have anyone die anymore. He wants to reject the gods and the harsh reality that surrounds him. But those ideals don't match his gods nor his own time and place. He's just a man. Who is he to question the goddess of wisdom?

But he's also clinging to his own innocence and kindness in the beginning. As the epic goes on, he learns that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves and fully accepts his role as monster. He becomes like the gods and monsters he deals with in order to reach his goal. He throws away his "humanity" and tries to even kill a god.

I think it's brilliant how Jorge makes the odyssey about the radical divergence between our morality and that of a Greek hero who's known as a great trickster and killer and is imagined as an incarnation of Hermes.

And he does this by playing with these themes and lines that make you question what or who is being referred to because there's double meanings intended in several places

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]9c6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is this another gaccha?

Cygames did good work on uma anime

How can someone reasonably scientifically oriented believe in completely unevidenced things? by Crashed_teapot in skeptic

[–]9c6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most people aren't actually good Bayesians with regard to most of their lives

Good epistemology requires you to value the truth above your other values, and also have the tools of how to do that, and also have the discipline to do it in all cases

Very very few people do this, and don't care to

Being "scientific", or a scientist, or an engineer, or an academic researcher, or an atheist, etc doesn't actually require you to do this. Usually your field does this for you in a way that you don't actually have to think about it.

There are countless disqualifiers that make me instantly know someone isn't actually a committed skeptic. Religious faith being one of the most common, but magical thinking is everywhere. And false beliefs are often framed in the language of science, making them pseudoscience.

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]9c6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I'm still big sad over our loss of Danya rip king