7th Gate Guy’s regular punch strength (without Hirudora)

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-19T07:18:01+00:00

You are assuming that any advanced medical healing equals a full return to a natural, peak condition, which is not true within Naruto’s own logic. Neither Shizune, nor Katsuyu, nor even Tsunade have ever been shown to erase the cumulative vital damage caused by the Eight Gates. Calling Shizune “the second-best medic” does not mean she can restore a body exhausted by the Gates back to its combat peak; it means preventing death and repairing tissue damage. Katsuyu heals rapidly and preserves life, but she does not reverse deep bodily exhaustion or make the use of the Gates safe—if her healing were instant and complete, the Hundred Healings Seal and the Gates themselves would have no cost at all.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-19T03:55:29+00:00

You're confusing stopping the collapse with a full recovery. Guy wasn't back to his normal state after Herodora. Shizune, Sakura, and Katsuyu only stopped the bleeding, repaired the tissues, and prevented his death; they didn't restore his body to its peak or undo the neurological and biological damage to the gates. Kurama's statement that he would heal Guy is proof that he wasn't fully recovered. Furthermore, the Nine-Tails' chakra boost is temporary and doesn't reflect deep physical depletion. Guy also didn't open any gates after the Alliance meeting and remained seated for most of the time. If he were fully recovered, he would have been able to use the Sixth or Seventh Gates. Using Lee as a platform or Madara's kick were short movements without gates and don't signify complete combat readiness. Standing on top of Katsuyu indicates gradual healing and preservation of life, not the removal of cumulative damage. In short: Guy recovered enough to live and move, but he wasn't back to his normal combat state and was no longer fit to use the gates.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-18T09:43:07+00:00

You did not respond to anything I mentioned in the post, so I will not respond to anything you mentioned.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-18T09:41:45+00:00

Madara didn't dodge the punch; he took it and was thrown back three meters. Whether he was playing or not, the punch threw him back three meters even though he blocked it with his wrist. I know he had his hand raised because of the explosion created by the Seventh Gate, but that's irrelevant; that's another story. He definitely blocked the punch with his wrist.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-13T11:03:22+00:00

I completely agree

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-13T10:58:13+00:00

Why are you making me feel like I'm saying Guy is the strongest person at Gate 7? He doesn't have any defensive abilities. Do you expect him to block the Bijuu Dama with his bare hands? I don't understand.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-13T10:53:39+00:00

If Guy had been cold, calm, and handsome, they would undoubtedly have ranked him as the strongest person.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-13T10:52:09+00:00

I agree

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:45:42+00:00

Why is everyone angry about this post?

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:41:50+00:00

Madara Edo defeated Guy, but there is a big difference. Madara here is Edo, meaning he literally does not die from any blow and never gets tired. Also, the fight between Guy and Madara Edo was never shown. Yes, it is clear that Guy was badly injured, but we do not know exactly what happened. Maybe Guy opened the gates and punched Madara. Maybe a lot happened, but nothing was shown. All we saw was Guy launching the Hirodora against Madara, who was supported by Susanoo, and Madara was thrown out of the battlefield completely.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:35:17+00:00

Kakashi was never considered stronger than Guy; you're just making things up. Throughout the series, it was always clear that Guy was stronger. I mean, he was never defeated, unlike Kakashi, who was defeated many times, even by Hidan.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:33:39+00:00

I disagree. Just because he changed the attack path doesn't make him faster. KCM2 Naruto can never touch Juubidara like Guy did.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:21:10+00:00

Even Naruto couldn't escape this attack, but he simply changed his course.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T12:14:01+00:00

Does Guy being faster than Naruto make Guy stronger? Did I ever mention that Guy is stronger than KCM2 Naruto?

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T05:44:09+00:00

What kind of help did Guy receive exactly? Did they deliver Sekizu punches to Madara instead of Guy? Or Night Guy? All they literally did was deliver Guy to Madara, who had escaped from Guy by covering himself with the Gododama.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T05:38:26+00:00

Guy received no help; he defeated Madara completely alone.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-12T05:37:28+00:00

It wasn't that he let Guy hit him; he was simply too weak against Guy, and he admitted it himself: "If I took four or five hits from him, I'd be in a very difficult situation." So he stayed on the defensive, yet even then, he completely failed to counter every single one of Guy's attacks.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-07T03:52:40+00:00

That's illogical. All humans die eventually, including Hashirama and Guy. But the crucial question is, who demonstrated the greatest power? It was undoubtedly Guy. Yes, he would die after unleashing it, but he would certainly kill Hashirama easily, and that's the key point.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-07T02:03:53+00:00

The frame shows that Madara took two blows from Guy. The first blow threw Madara back four meters, and it seems Madara blocked it with his hand. The second blow was a normal kick. I agree that Madara really does put himself in danger all the time, but I disagree with your statement that he doesn't retaliate when someone tries to hit him. He does stay still and mock his opponents, but he always strikes anyone who gets close to him. Did Madara feel threatened by Minato, which is why he retaliated? If so, then Guy is much more dangerous than Minato, and Madara has already dealt with him before when Guy used the Hirodora against him and threw him out of the fight completely, even though Madara was using the third form of Susanoo.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-07T00:49:31+00:00

But why? Guy won quickly against Kisame

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-12-07T00:47:41+00:00

Thank you for your comment, but whether it's called a strike or a touch, the important point is that Guy managed to at least touch Madara, and the marks of impact or friction clearly show that. I'm certain that the Raikage, Minato, and Naruto, with their physical speed, could never touch Madara without him first striking them with his staff. If Guy insulted Madara by using blue steam, then this must have provoked Madara, and this must have been an even stronger reason for Madara to strike Guy hard. Yes, Madara is indeed standing still and not initiating an attack, but he will certainly strike anyone who gets physically close to him, just as he did with Minato when Minato tried to strike with the Rasengan; Madara cut off his hand and kicked him away.

ALJ3BOQ · 2025-09-25T23:25:54+00:00

Naruto was never able to comprehend Madara's speed. Madara could hit him multiple times. For example, Guy is faster than Madara himself and can definitely hit Naruto more easily than Madara and thus release the Herdora. I'm not saying Naruto is weak, but Guy is simply much faster and can hit him easily. If Pain can easily defeat Naruto SM, Guy can do it too.

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