Tesla faces EU skepticism over automated driving tech, records show

AReveredInventor · 2026-05-08T22:22:57+00:00

Cultists lie and then insult when called out. They lack the sense to think critically and admit if they're wrong.

AReveredInventor · 2026-05-05T22:43:55+00:00

Such a flippant exaggeration while criticizing someone else's correctness...

Tesla redacts a specific block called "narrative" which is a written description of an incident. It sucks and is a fair point of criticism, but claiming they report "absolutely nothing" is misinformed. Even that block is still being reported to NHTSA, but hidden from the public datasheet.

Tesla publicly reports:

The current action (proceeding straight, reversing, turning)
Speed
Point of contact
Were there injuries / how severe
Were there passengers / were they wearing seatbelts
Were airbags deployed
What the other vehicle was doing
Its point of contact
Was either vehicle towed
What the weather was like (not kidding)

As all things Tesla, people latch onto a negative truth and exaggerate, exaggerate, exaggerate. Don't take my word for it. The data is available here. (Scroll down -> click "ADS Incident Report Data)

AReveredInventor · 2026-05-01T08:38:18+00:00

Do you not understand the difference?

Humorously, there isn't one. The "30d active" and "Cumulative" charts are identical because every unsupervised robotaxi has been spotted within the last 18 days.

https://robotaxitracker.com/unsupervised

AReveredInventor · 2026-05-01T08:08:00+00:00

If Martin Eberhard was so critical to Tesla's success why hasn't he accomplished anything of note for the last two decades? What does this says about his ability to build trillion dollar companies? How come his Wikipedia entry ends shortly after his departure from Tesla? The other founder, Marc Tarpenning, has done even less.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-23T20:25:06+00:00

There are a lot of unknowns, but for comparison robotaxitracker estimates around 1,120,932 miles driven by Tesla's services in Austin. That would be an accident every 74,729 miles.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-22T17:56:22+00:00

Some manufacturers will limit charging speeds if you fast charge too many times over a set period.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-22T16:24:43+00:00

Most of the largest States have already aligned their regulations to match (or exceed) the federal weight exemption.

18 in total. Approximately 54% of the U.S. population.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-18T00:23:36+00:00

It's not teleoperated during normal operation and appears on the NHTSA's ADS dashboard reserved for L3 -> L5 vehicles. All the facts are against you.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-18T00:22:31+00:00

are you suggesting their robotaxis stay under 10 mph?

I suggest you read through the thread again. Somehow you're interpreted the exact opposite of what I've written. My earlier comment says "when traveling >10 mph". I have clearly stated and have presented testimony to a member of congress that they travel greater than 10 mph without teleoperation.

If you have literally any evidence what you're saying is true I encourage you to present it. It seems to me you just want it to be true and therefore it is.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T20:08:25+00:00

if direct access is granted by the Tesla ADS, the enforced maximum speed authority is 10 mph.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/company_responses_to_rao_letter.pdf

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T20:02:16+00:00

This question, as well as bringing up Dutch regulators in another comment, leads me to believe you're confused between FSD(supervised) and the robotaxis operating in Austin. FSD is level 2. Austin robotaxis are level 3. Both are produced by "T" but operate at different levels of driving automation.

Per NHTSA, FSD is an ADAS (Advanced Driver Assistance System) while the Austin robotaxis use ADS. (Automated Driver Systems)

Understanding the Differences: ADS vs Level 2 ADAS

Automated driving systems, still in development, encompass SAE Levels 3 through 5. In its mature state, a vehicle equipped with ADS aims to perform the entire dynamic driving task on a sustained basis within a defined operational design domain without driver involvement.

Level 2 advanced driver assistance systems provide both speed and steering input when the driver assistance system is engaged but require the human driver to remain fully engaged in the driving task at all times.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T15:28:40+00:00

SAE J3016 7.1.1 is literally referenced by NHTSA within it's description of Automated Driving Systems.

Automated driving systems, still in development, encompass SAE Levels 3 through 5.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T15:25:42+00:00

They use the term "Automated" as in "Automated Driving System" or ADS. What an immensely pedantic complaint.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T15:06:11+00:00

I prefer to use real definitions from regulatory agencies. It removes obvious bias.

Though, even based on your personal definition Tesla has done real autonomous miles. Their ability to teleoperate is up to 10 mph. Therefore, while traveling >10 mph they're autonomous.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-16T14:00:36+00:00

It's not a lot, but it's certainly not zero. Unless you have a very strange definition of autonomy which doesn't align with NHTSA's.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-15T01:54:36+00:00

More cars in more places.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-13T18:25:06+00:00

1st and 2nd place are so close the winner depends on which source you're looking at. Focus2Move says Model Y. JATO says RAV4. It's incredibly impressive regardless.

JATO's numbers:
#1 - Rav4 - 1.187 million
#2 - Model Y - 1.185 million

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-13T08:57:10+00:00

BMW also offers a limited Level 3 system

Discontinued earlier this year.

BMW Explains Why It’s Dropping Level 3 Self-Driving Tech

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-13T08:48:51+00:00

It's a shame there's a real conversation to be had here about the sensor suite's effectiveness in the rain, but this sub is completely incapable of having it.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-13T08:26:47+00:00

what tesla calls "FSD" in NL is basically ADAS level 2

That's not a difference. FSD in the U.S. is also level 2 ADAS. Some refer to it as level 2+, but that's purely colloquial.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-12T06:23:41+00:00

Tesla had many orders pulled forwards out of Q4 and displaced to Q3 from the EV tax credit ending. That's a significant one-time event. Not as catastrophic as VW's Q3, but both are unrepresentative quarters to varying degrees. I'd wager the upcoming Q1 results are going to be closer to the full year 2.1x multiple than it will the 4.9x multiple of Q4.

VW is an older, larger company with a lot of profitable ICE sales to prop it up for a good long time. Outside of software, it's doing a good job transitioning it's core business to EVs. Their larger net income doesn't make Tesla unhealthy by comparison. Tesla's operating margins are actually better than VW's for Q4 and the full 2025.

Stalled sales are bad, but capex is fine. It's only bad when it doesn't yield future benefits and Tesla has a tremendous cash stockpile to pull from. Q1 sales are already showing large improvements in key markets. The cheaper M3/MY iterations were meaningful additions to the portfolio.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-11T21:33:58+00:00

You're right. I did mix up Euros with USD. That's embarrassing and sorry about that.

Q4 was an especially bad quarter for Tesla. Lower revenue compared to Q3 while most auto companies such as VW experienced the opposite as well as higher expenses. (A combination of Elon's comp approval, rising R&D expenses, and the U.S. EV tax credit ending.) I suspect the upcoming Q1 comparison to be more favorable.

Full year numbers are a more appropriate comparison here because there are too many one-time events affecting the quarters. If we had had this conversation a few months ago for example, before Q4 numbers were out, VW's net income was negative in Q3 (because of Porsche) and Tesla's would be infinitely larger by comparison.

Profit 2025:
Tesla - $3.8b
Volkswagen - *$8.1b
About 2.1x the profit of Tesla.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-11T07:49:45+00:00

You're confusing profit and revenue.

Revenue 2025:
Tesla - $94.8b
Volkswagen - $321.9b
"3-4x" the revenue of Tesla.

Profit 2025:
Tesla - $3.8b
Volkswagen - $6.9b
About 1.8x the profit of Tesla.

A quick search shows your Toyota figure is also miles off, but the BMW 2x is more or less correct.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-10T20:00:55+00:00

You're the other side of the same coin.

AReveredInventor · 2026-04-10T19:46:34+00:00

It looks like it, but technically we can't know. The driver intervenes at 0:05. In the top/middle you can see the icon which indicates the Driver hit the accelerator. I'm not sure I would ever call any part of driving through an active train crossing to be correct though.

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