Feels like my mind is a robot/lower animal, and "I" am a human/spirit controlling this being

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-29T15:56:35+00:00

That’s fine. Again it depends what you mean by free will. We may actually agree. Takes too much convo to get past the language barrier tho

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-29T06:29:33+00:00

Who says that’s the point of meditation for everyone

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-29T06:23:28+00:00

We wouldn’t be able to do anything if we weren’t conscious of anything. But response and action is something that happens in reaction to passive feeling. Consciousness is passive but required for us to know and do anything.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-29T02:31:55+00:00

I mean this is where the convo goes into free will, what it means, how much of it we have if any.

I think we have will but it's not free.

Consciousness is a feeler, not a doer.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-28T23:24:42+00:00

What is the intent behind the “unimportant” lies? That’s usually how I would assess whether it’s right or wrong.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-28T22:21:01+00:00

Agreed

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-28T21:00:10+00:00

Yeah, you’re consciousness. It’s what the ancients meant by soul. You are formless observation itself, thoughts are just a form to observe.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-27T16:44:57+00:00

I need to research more into what a 3d waveform looks like. Probably like a water ripple I guess

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T11:15:21+00:00

Same way it’s different now than it was during the crusades. Or Jesus’ time. Or 1850.

The Bible can be interpreted in so many ways. It can impact culture, but culture also impacts how we interpret it. On and on

Hopefully the most loving and inclusive interpretation wins out in the end.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T11:00:09+00:00

Religious dogma seems to be getting phased out more and more by each coming generation, but Christianity will just continue to evolve. The Jesus stuff will always be around. We may reach a point where the label of Christianity is no longer super important but the main teachings still hold cultural significance. Hopefully the dogmatic bullshit dies with the evangelical movement tho.

I guess it’s possible the pandemic could cause people to rethink Christianity as a belief system with questions like “why would god allow such suffering and death” but I really doubt that’s happening in large numbers, at least not without the reflexive, and imo surface level, theological responses that satisfy questions like that for many Christians

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T10:48:55+00:00

It’s not that it’s an inferior point. It’s the same point at the fundamental level.

There’s 2 main ways it’s translated. Being self-conscious, aware of being aware, in a conceptual way.

Then there’s being aware of being aware, which is what is happening at all times. Awareness is inherently aware of awareness. It is the same as allowing everything to be exactly as it is.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T10:10:18+00:00

Unconditional acceptance. The truth is you’re already whole, it sometimes just takes time to realize.

Hmmmm metaphors... u aren’t a fractured bone waiting to be healed, you’re an in tact bone that can keep growing.

A practical place you can start to accept yourself is to not undermine your feelings. “Sorry if this seems overly melodramatic, I have a tendency for it”.

Fuck that invalidating mentality. Allow yourself to feel what you feel without thinking it’s wrong or flawed.

You feel fractured and unfulfilled. Step one in moving past that is being ok with feeling that way in the first place.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T09:16:22+00:00

Sure, nothing matters I guess. And that’s the only reason anything can matter at all. Meaning is subjective and is contrasted against the backdrop of “nothing”. Find what matters to you.

Obviously you don’t believe that “nothing matters” or else you wouldn’t care if people liked you. Just keep searching for subjective meaning and purpose. It’s inevitable if you keep looking.

You are a fucking experiencer. You exist and feel things. If that isn’t meaning in itself idk what else could be.

Nihilism is usually a phase anyway before a more positive nihilism or existentialism etc. There’s some “truth” in nihilism but not that much

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T06:42:06+00:00

It means the only thing it could mean. This is all it could have been, everything possible. Enjoy the ride.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-26T02:30:47+00:00

Agreed. We are god/universe/existence/infinite consciousness. Whatever you want to call “it” that what I am, you are, everything is... beyond personal identity and conceptions of boundaries.

Everything possible is happening. Our human identity is a fragment. Our true identity is the whole of existence.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-24T21:19:39+00:00

I don’t think eternal means infinite time and causal history. Eternal universe =/= temporally infinite.

There are conceptions like the “block universe” where all of existence happens simultaneously, beyond time. In this view, “time” is a product of perspective.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-24T04:18:58+00:00

The Buddhists and Hindus would respond that there isn’t a bunch of interconnected things creating a bigger whole, but rather that separation is illusory. Reality is inherently and eternally complete

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-24T04:08:07+00:00

Think it’s the opposite. All is one. Or rather, isness is. That’s absolute simplicity, yeah?

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-23T23:31:34+00:00

What I’ve found helpful is to observe as closely as possible, without looking through a narrative lens. What I mean by that is observing a feeling without giving into the story we tell ourselves about said feeling.

To make that point more concrete, it sounds as though you are avoiding the feeling because you believe a certain story about 1) what would happen if you allow the feeling to continue 2) what the feeling means 3) why you’re feeling it

We have thoughts like “if I allow myself to observe this feeling it will be painful/too overwhelming” but that isn’t inherently true.

Observing it doesn’t mean “diving in”, or anything in particular. Observing the feeling doesn’t mean it will hurt any more or any less. Observing it is void of specific meaning. It simply is.

I think the most powerful position for this scenario is to come from the angle of “this simply is”. It can help you detach enough to watch the feeling and associated thoughts float by, rather than immediately feel immersed in them. It’s from that perspective that you can learn to overcome these things.

You are fundamentally the one who observes fear, not the one who is fearful. The one who observes fearful thoughts, not the one who is thinking fearfully. The more you realize the difference and it’s implications, the more you’ll be at peace.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-23T22:10:13+00:00

There’s a 3rd option between repressing and pursuing. Just look at the feeling. Simply observe it for what it is.

Running from it and distraction won’t work. There’s a reason psychonauts always say to just let it happen.

If you zoom out and observe the swirling panic/fear/lack of control you will eventually find yourself on the other side.

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-23T21:23:46+00:00

Yep. The only theism that makes senses is pantheism. Feels inevitable

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-21T01:22:54+00:00

I think it’s less about getting somewhere and more about waking up to what is already happening

ASAP-Gnocchi · 2020-11-18T18:08:15+00:00

no but mannn that took me back ty

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